Frozen embryos are “children,” according to Alabama’s Supreme Court::IVF often produces more embryos than are needed or used.
Thank a christian for this.
Alabama? More like Talibana, a’ight? Being ruled by religious extremists - in the 21st (ce) century - blows my mind. Are people still that backwards? Apparently, yes. Nothing wrong with a bit of private faith in the sky man if it helps you in life… but to be a fundamentalist is unforgivable.
So would they count as dependents for tax purposes?
Does this mean I can claim my sperm as a dependent on my taxes?
“What’s all this stuff in the freezer!?!”
“Sperm.”
I love how the chief justice cites his god as his legal argument. What a sham. The god of the Bible has, thus far, failed to prove its legitimacy in any context, especially regarding a secular legal system.
Nevermind forcing his god onto the rest of the population. If these yoyos get far enough, they’ll start sending non believers to “reeducation camps.”
I would think his reference to god would be a sufficient argument to nullify his decision? As you said the US justice system is secular.
Secular in theory, but lots of key elements have been taken over by religious nutjobs, so in practice it often isn’t.
I don’t even care how retarded his logic is, it’s inherently not allowed because we’re supposed to have church state separation. That is the worst part to me.
In a concurring opinion, Chief Justice Tom Parker cited his religious beliefs and quoted the Bible to support the stance.
“Human life cannot be wrongfully destroyed without incurring the wrath of a holy God, who views the destruction of His image as an affront to Himself,” Parker wrote. “Even before birth, all human beings bear the image of God, and their lives cannot be destroyed without effacing his glory.”
wtf
Just shit on this person. What a fucking hick. Just straight up pull your pants down and shit on him.
Ironic that he quoted the Bible since the Bible is okay with abortion.
Also the very heavy and intentional use of pronouns.
The Bible doesn’t really say anything about abortion. The most convincing thing I’ve seen is that it values the life of a mother over that a fetus, but it doesn’t say abortion is okay. Unless I’m missing something.
Not that it matters what this book says, I just don’t think it helps at all to misrepresent it.
Numbers 5:11-22
If your wife is unfaithful, she should go to the priest and get a concoction to abort the pregnancy conceived with another man.
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It always strikes me as interesting that if the Bible truly was divinely inspired that there really should only be one translation and one interpretation. It should be incredibly clear and concise to everyone.
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20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”— 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the Lord cause you to become a curse[b] among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”
It doesn’t imply that at all? Please feel free to let me know what this passage is really about.
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The punishment section of the Hebrew version suggests many interpretations where words are euphemisms for things related to abortions. Her thigh might refer to her sexual organs, the curse an abortificent, etc. I think those meanings still exist in other translations.
It literally gives you a recipe for one
At least the other poster offered up what is effectively a completely made up verse.
“effectively made up verse” LOL
Ah ok, so are you the arbiter of which stories in the Bible are literal, and which aren’t? Because that story seemed very fucking literal.
Anyway, this can’t be the first time you’ve encountered a contradiction in the text of your holy book (assuming you’ve even read it), so I’m sure you’ve already got some pretty effective ways of ignoring the cognitive dissonance inherent in your worldview… So go ahead and have fun with that I guess.
this can’t be the first time you’ve encountered a contradiction in the text of your holy book
lol. I’m not a Christian. You’re just exposing your lack of critical thinking by thinking that, because I don’t agree with you, I must be the exact opposite. My child, the world is not black and white.
You’re projecting your struggle with cognitive dissonance onto me, make no mistake about it.
Does Alabama not do the whole “separation of church and state” thing? Lol
The USA has never done seperation of church and state.
If we did, half the govt would be arrested for extremism and most churches would be terrorist organizations.
No the religious zealots here do not. School coaches require prayer before practices and games, same sex couples get banned from prom, kids at school get tricked into going to fun after school events that turn out to actually be evangelism stunts. A lot of applications to educational programs, gymnastics programs, and jobs ask about “leadership” which is code for experience as a church deacon or active evangelist.
We had I think six eggs harvested and fertilized, of those I think two made it to blastocyst, meaning the cells doubled as they should by day five. The four that didn’t double correctly were discarded. Did we commit 4 murders? Or does it not count if the embryo doesn’t make it to blastocyst? We did genetic testing on the two that were fertilized, one is normal and the other came back with all manner of horrible deformities. We implanted the healthy one, and discarded the genetically abnormal one. I assume that was another murder. Should we have just stored it indefinitely? We would never use it, can’t destroy it, so what do? What happens after we die?
I know the answer is probably it wasn’t god’s will for us to have kids, all IVF is evil, blah blah blah. It really freaks me out sometimes how much of the country is living in the 1600s.
Even before this I would get really pissed when people casually said “It will happen when the time is right. God has a plan, though it isn’t one we understand.” In Alabama I was recently at the dentist, getting my teeth cleaned to the tune of religious music, hearing the hygienist say this bullshit to me.
Time to find a different dentist. They might think cavities are just God’s will.
Whether you committed murder or not is directly correlated to the amount of money you have and whether you are in the in-group.
Every woman with a frozen embryo.
Get those child tax credits.
Don’t have frozen embryos? Freeze some
Get those child tax credits
That is not legal. They have made embryos children when looking for people to put in jail, and not children when looking to give out benefits. Very convenient for the state budget!
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Someone think of the embryos!
A group of Alabama residents decide to rob a bank. They put on their ski masks, grab their guns, run in, yell for everyone to get down and they start looking for the vault. They ransack every office, but all they find are some fancy coolers. Tired from the search and hot from wearing ski masks in Alabama, they open one of them up to find a bunch of cool refreshing yogurt. They drink it, cool off a bit, and then they go looking for the manager. They find this nice looking guy in a suit and tie:
“Hey, are you the manager of this bank?”, they yell, pointing a gun at his face.
“Yes sir, I am”, the guy is shaking and scared, but tries to keep calm.
“Take us to your vault, right fucking now!”
“Vault? Sir this is a sperm bank”
Cannibalism is getting trendy again
Sing it with me…
🎵 Every sperm is… 🎵
🎶 sacred, every sperm is great… 🎶
🎶 If a sperm is wasted, God gets quite irate. 🎶
We did it Lemmy
Just wait until everyone on the state gets IVF treatments but never implants them, dozens of dependants claimed on their tax forms for free!
Wait, if I move there, as a man, can I claim millions of dependents? I mean they’re just unborn, they count right?
Well you’d need a partner to have a viable embryo, but maybe you could adopt some freezer babies?
What about all of someone’s future unborn grandchildren and great grandchildren and great great grandchildren? Public policy now requires fortune telling to see what deductions one is eligible for based on future events?
Christians are such fucking idiots.
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Muslims don’t believe that life starts at conception. So no, on this topic they are not as idiotic as Christians.
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Albania? Kosovo? Indonesia?
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Simple minded fool.
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Turkey and Kazakhstan. And this is just racist bs. Not all Muslims hate Jews or have regressive views. Not to mention this is all off topic, it’s Christians who are trying to destroy women’s rights in America not Muslims
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Turkey isn’t much worse than countries like Hungary or Poland when it comes to democracy. And Kazakhstan is in the middle of democratic reform
Also I like how you ignored the rest of my comment. But not surprised
Edit: and people were shitting on Christianity because Christians have huge amounts of power in the US. Far more than Muslims do in any western country. It’s Christians trying to destroy secular rights in the West. You brought up Muslims for no reason other than to deflect
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I don’t recall anyone asking who is worse.
Excuse me but I’ve never met a xtian that fucking intelligent.
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