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I’d be more willing to pay Logitech for a subscription to never have to touch their software again.
In other words: They want me to never buy a Logitech product ever again. Fuck you greedy corporate shitpiles!
Lol I actually had to check to make sure this wasn’t published on April 1st. Missed joke opportunity, this is hilarious
I will stop using a mouse and get really good with hotkeys rather than pay a subscription.
Tiling window managers and vim keybindings are your friends
Nah, emacs keybindings are better for things like window managers, and I say this as a vim-o-phile. Use emacs-style keybindings for anything interactive, use vim-style keybindings for text.
Then they’ll make you get a keyboard subscription…
I do this as much as I can already, but certain tasks have no hotkey in aware of :/
Gonna be trapped in a VM forever when my mouse dies.
No thank you, and get fucked.
Maybe they could, like, put good switches in their high end mice? And building them in a modular, repairable way?
I had a G903 with the wireless charging pad. The switches starting going bad within a year. I tried replacing those switches with higher quality ones, but a ribbon cable broke while getting it apart. The ribbon cable had one end sealed inside a module, so you have the replace that whole thing. Ended up writing the whole thing off and bought a Glorious (which are quite nice).
Won’t touch their high end mouses anymore. Their cheap wireless mice are still pretty good and will run on a single AA battery forever (how? I don’t know). Why do they cut corners on the high end of the market?
I have 15 year old Logitech mice and kids. They were the reference brand. I recently bought a pebble mouse, because of the dual connectivity. It’s crap
A 15 year old Logitech probably isn’t a comparison to a new one Planned obsolescence was a thing 15 years ago but not nearly as widespread as it is now.
If it gets to the point where we have to pay a monthly fee to use computer peripherals I’m going to dedicate all my spare time to making open source alternatives. Become ungovernable.
There’s already plenty of open source alternatives. Mouse drivers are relatively simple.
“Oooh! we wanna help the environment! Look at how green we are! It’s gonna last you a lifetime. Such quality. Such emotional investment into your personal mouse!”
Bitch! You are just inventing stupid ideas about how to turn a hardware company into a service company, because you know that is where the money is.
Ah yes, the industry first MaaS. What will they think of next. nuclear facepalm
Uh, what would I be paying for, exactly? I don’t really see what Software support a mouse really needs, as long as it doesn’t ship buggy. Also, I’ve been using my (Logitech, funnily) mouse for 6 years now, and if you ignore the few scratches it has gathered, it still works pretty much perfectly.
Also, if their solution for a longer lasting mouse really is repairability, isn’t that just their way of saying “we designed our other products to be thrown away”?
You would be paying for the privilege of using a Logitech mouse of course!
The company has to grow indefinitely and you my friendly consumer are the back on which they will walk to do so.
Don’t worry I’m sure they’ll never acquire smaller and successful manufacturers that risk undermining their profit structures.
You’ve had more luck than us. My wife went through two Logitech G305s in like 2 years, so I switched her to a Razor DeathAddr and she’s been much happier.
At work, I use macOS so I went with MX Master 3 and had constant issues with the thumb button not working. It’s better now (I guess their SW improved?), and ironically I had far fewer issues with my Triathlon (when I WFH), which is much cheaper.
On my personal devices (Linux), I use Microsoft Intellimouse Pro. It has been solid for over 5 years. I plugged it in and it just works. The only thing remarkable about it is how little I think about it, it clicks, scrolls, and reads input consistently. If Logitech could do that, I’d probably buy more of their stuff, but I’ve mostly had issues.
It’s a MX Master 2S, funnily enough. I still have a over 10 year old working M705 Marathon, on second thought, that I had once bought for my laptop. Had to open it up and bend the mechanism for the left click back into shape once, but no Problems besides.
It really feels like they developed a revenue stream prior to developing a product. All we’ve heard is some “Ai features” would be a subscription service, but their software has been preety universally mid at best, and AI is starting to see some backlash. We are seeing companies try to cram AI into everything even when it has no purpose being there. I get the feeling that companies are starting to catch onto this AI investments have become ridiculously expensive and have provided nearly zero additional value to their products and services.
As a Linux user, I don’t even know what features their software has, nor do I particularly care. If it points and clicks, I’m happy.
What I want from Logitech is to make mice that point and click more reliably, and ideally make them repairable. I hate throwing out mice just because of a double-click issue when I could just replace a sensor or something.
Here’s my proposal:
- make a handful of base models with varying core features (wireless, low-latency, lots of inputs)
- sell parts like shells, sensors, PCBs, etc that customers can replace on their own - no need to replace a mouse because you don’t like the feel, just get a new chassis
- there is no step 3
It really feels like they developed a revenue stream prior to developing a product.
That’s what everyone big and well bribed in with regulators and such does today.
This is obviously true.
Not that a commercial company shouldn’t do that.
It’s just - what exactly are they going to sell? What need are they going to fulfill, what bottleneck are they going to widen, what river cross with a bridge? For customers, of course.
My Halo account name is fuckmandatorysignins@personalDomain.com
Fuck you Microsoft, fuck you Logitech, if the Internet goes down, I’m fucked…
I always give “companyname@personaldomain.com”
That way datasets are harder to correlate and I know who leaked 😝
That’s what I’ve been doing since 2002. If I get spam, I set up a forward to their customer service.
Lol! I need to start doing something like this when one of those email addresses eventually ends up in a breach. :D
Be wary though, it might get your domain blacklisted for spam. I’ve been lucky so far.
Good to know! Thanks for the warning. c: My default course of action will likely be just disabling the old alias and making a new one.
Oh neat, I think I might subscribe to that community.
Wait a goddamned minute
Oh man I was hoping this would be a sub for alternatives to subscriptions, rather than just pointing out that everything is going to a subscription model.
It’s not against the rules of that community to post alternatives. I suspect the community members would love that.
Alternative to subscription based mouse…any other fucking mouse. Hell, I’d rather use that piece of crap they sell at walgreens for $15.99. It looks like crap, has only 2 buttons, is wired, but it doesn’t have a damn subscription.
are mice not supposed to have only 2 buttons??? (excluding scroll wheel)
Mine has left click, right click, scroll wheel, back, forward, and a programable button which I use to switch windows.
I got two like that from China for about 2 bucks each, shipping included.
Nowadays a shitty 15 cent microcontroller comes with built-in USB hardware support and you can use the manufacturer’s libraries or even Arduino to make it talk as a keyboard or mouse with any computer (which doesn’t even need drivers since support for it is built-in) and it’s actually the mechanical stuff that’s the most expensive bit.
There really is no reason or need to endure this mouse subscription shit.
I like my Intellimouse Pro. I haven’t had a single issue with clicking or scrolling for as long as I’ve had it (5+ years?). It’s a bit pricey, but it works well. I’ve spent more replacing Logitech mice in the time I’ve had that one.
Side question since this concept is obviously rent seeking… Why is there not a market for premium custom mice like there are for keyboards?
All the mice over the ~$80 range seem to only be gamer mice or focus on adding more and more buttons. Why aren’t there options that are customizable or more premium?
I get that no one wants a solid machined aluminum mouse but surely there is something more premium than adding more buttons.
It’s trackball that are premium in fact
This concept should be expanded to every industry to show the idea itself is unscrupulous.
When subscription services is shown it should alert consumers to predatory practices
Custom keyboards took off because of mechanical switches. Back in the day people wanted mechanical switches because they last longer than membrane ones, and so you wound up with a bunch of companies producing relatively easy to manufacture mechanical switches. Those switches all felt and sounded a little different so you got people who wanted a specific feel and sound and it grew from there.
There hasn’t really been the same push with mice because even really cheap ones work really well. Optical sensors are way harder to produce than key switches, and while there are a few different ones on the market other than dpi and polling rate they kind of all act the same - it kind of either tracks right or it doesn’t. There’s no differentiation unlike switches that are “tactile” or “linear” or “scratchy”. And because of size restrictions you can’t really have the same kind of switches as keyboards use for the buttons. And unlike the really niche keyboard people who do their own PCB and machine their own case, making a good mouse on your own from scratch is way more difficult. They’re weird shaped and it’s much more difficult to change things like optical tracking algorithms compared to macros on a 40% keyboard. You can do a run of 100 super niche keyboards and make it work, but just the injection molds for one mouse mean you need to make 10000, which stops it being a project and makes it a business.
There are premium mice manufacturers, but in general they either are going super light, super ergonomic, or super functional - and honestly they have a hard time competing with a company like Logitech that can produce really similar features for a fraction of the cost and have a decent reputation to boot.
But the Ploopy mouse already exists.
Lmao what happens if you don’t pay?
Oh Deere!
