Hat trick!

you win Firefox!

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I went straight from Mozilla Navigator to Firefox 1.0.

Tabs were such a crazy new thing back then. You would show tabbed browsing to someone (rather than opening new windows) and they thought you were a wizard. IE5 didn’t have tabs, so nerds moved to Mozilla/Firefox. Then IE6 came out but still didn’t have tabs. By the time IE7 came out, I’d had tabbed browsing for 5+ years.

I cannot be 100% certain but I’m confident I was using it not long after the 1.0 release. That’d put me at 2004. 19 years!

Although I did briefly switch over to Chrome when it was new and fast. Then switched back when Firefox had a major optimization pass.

What took you so long?!?

It’s not the “add to home screen” button that installs a link which then works without Firefox UI?

I mainly use Firefox (on both Linux and Android), but I also use Chrome regularly. I wouldn’t describe Firefox as buggy or clunky. On the whole, I find Firefox more pleasant to use than Chrome on its own merits—nothing at all to do with privacy or Google.

I do agree that Chrome is more performant on JS-heavy websites, but not so much so that I find Firefox sluggish by comparison. And both slow down significantly once you have lots of tabs open.

I prefer Firefox’s tab UI to Chrome’s, both on desktop and mobile:

• Firefox on desktop will scroll the tab bar horizontally once you have enough tabs open, meaning you can still see the title of each. Chrome will keep on shrinking your tabs until each is just an icon, making it really hard to tell between different pages on the same site.
• The “tab groups” feature of Chrome on Android confuses me and isn’t intuitive at all IMO. Firefox just has a traditional list of tabs, which I find much easier to use.

I also love Firefox’s screenshot tool. It’s so much nicer than taking a screenshot via the OS:

• It lets you screenshot an entire page even if it’s too tall for the screen.
• It lets you select specific elements on the page precisely.
• If you invoke it through the developer console, you can take high-DPI screenshots even if you’re using a low-DPI monitor. It’ll re-render the page for you behind the scenes.

Firefox also has way better (read: any at all) hardware video decoding support on desktop Linux than Chrome does. Some distros patch Chrome to add that support, but Firefox has it in official builds out of the box.

I started using Firefox on Android because my old phone (Nexus 5X) was very RAM-constrained and Firefox seemed to kick fewer other apps out of RAM than Chrome did. I now have a newer phone where RAM isn’t an issue, but I still use Firefox, mainly for uBlock and because it can sync tabs, bookmarks, and history to Firefox on my desktop. It runs just as smoothly as Chrome does in my experience.

This is all my personal experience, though. I have experienced frustrating Firefox bugs in the past that make it crash or freeze, and it sounds like GP is currently experiencing one such bug. But I’ve used Firefox for over a decade and probably only encountered 3-4 such bugs. Each time, once I got frustrated enough to go digging, I found an existing upstream bug report describing the root cause and a workaround to use until a proper fix landed (usually within a couple releases). I’ve used Chrome a lot less regularly, so I don’t know if the experience there is comparable or if they do just have better QA for bugs like that. Either way, I think the benefits of Firefox for me outweigh the occasional bug that gets through for a few releases.

My guess would be that calling it a weird buggy mess that freezes all the time does not line up with most people’s experience.

I’ve been using Firefox since before it was Firefox and have no idea what he’s talking about.

Everytime Firefox updates I have to restart the entire browser or it won’t let me open a new tab. This has been going on for years. As a dev, I can’t dynamically edit source during runtime ever since the Quantum update. It’s noticeably slower these days, which is especialy bad on mobile/laptops due to battery life. If you’re on Windows, you don’t get video super sampling (NVIDIA) or HDR videos.

I wouldn’t call it a buggy mess that crashes frequently, but it’s certainly constantly getting on my nerves.

Performance is worse in general. It’s something you’ll have to try for yourself, but websites generally load worse on Firefox.

Some Google websites will intentionally block you, or serve you older pages if you’re on Firefox. Using a plugin to modify your agent string is a work around, but also makes it seem like you’re using Chrome within their analytics which isn’t a good thing.

Like I said, firefox had a bug where printing shipping labels wasn’t working. Took me months of reporting before it was just recently fixed. No one ever acknowledged my issue, and still to this day the bug report was never marked as fixed. I had to run my company from a chromium based browser for months because of it.

The Android app is ass. It’s so clunky and runs like crap. At least it has ublock origin, which is nice. Only recently did firefox finally get pull to refresh, and it’s a buggy pile of crap lol.

I think it’s good to use Firefox. Chromium based future isn’t a good thing, and Chrome is evil trying to block ad blocking with manifest v3, and being literally the only Android browser without ad blocking. Even chromium based Edge has ad blocking on Android.

People on Lemmy are hard core enthusiasts at the moment. I think anyone that says anything negative about things enthusiasts are really passionate about, like Firefox, Linux, etc, will be downvoted.

I think it’s important to not be a fanboy and to be aware of shortcomings. I’m not against Firefox. It’s the only browser I use now, and I highly suggest everyone give it a try, but I’m also not going to pretend it’s some amazing experience. It’s clunky, but it’s run by a good foundation, has some neat features Chrome doesn’t, and it’s helping prevent an even larger chromium monopoly. Give it a go! Just be aware it’s not perfect, and I think you’ll be more likely to stick with it long term.

Which part?

Firefox doesn’t handle media playback as smoothly as chromium based browsers do. This is because of the codecs and plugins Firefox uses instead.

Firefox on Android is very clunky. Pull to refresh was in the beta for years, and they finally just released it into the main branch and it’s bugged to shit. It was a meme how long it was in development and still doesn’t work right, despite every other browser and app having pull to refresh work perfectly.

I want to be clear, I exclusively use Firefox and think chromium is dangerous for the web. I’m just not going to lie and act like firefox is perfect. If it was, it would have larger marketshare. There’s a reason Chrome, despite being a privacy nightmare, is still at the top. There’s a reason nearly every browser is chromium based.

I think being open about the shortcomings and experience you have with software is healthy. Good for development and good for making new users switch. Being critical is a good thing!