New report claims people with hobby spend more time watching videos about hobby than doing hobby
Watching someone cut a dovetail by hand is a lot more interesting now that I know from experience how hard it is. And maybe I’ll learn a trick to make my next ones better.
And its cheaper to watch someone do it. Quality timber and tools are expensive.
And less annoying to your neighbor if you’re in a neighborhood. Plus how many tables can you actually fit in a house?
Cutting dovetails implies by hand - power tools exist for it, but those using power tools generally use different joints.
My neighbor does not make dovetails, then.
I’m not surprised. They are very hard to make correctly and not that much better than other options that are easier to do. they are a “holy grail” of wood working skill for a reason. I’ve done a dozen in my life and the best is so awful I want to burn an otherwise nice creation to hide the evidence.
Dovetail sounds like a bird. It’s not a bird, right? Right?
😏
A dovetail is a type of joint that doesn’t require fasteners and only uses the material (usually glue for wood).
It was more funny when I didn’t know that :(
But thanks! I kind of expected it’s something like that :D
Does knowing that the name comes from one of the join elements (left side) looking like the tail of a dove, improve that?
I use one of those big metal paper choppers to cut doves tails.
Execution is a small part of “the planning”, man. That ain’t even fair.
If I want to do my hobby, I need to make time for it, whereas if I want to watch videos about my hobby, I can do it on the toilet. It turns out it’s a lot easier to watch than make time for a hobby, hence why I do more of it.
If I didn’t have to work, I’d spend more time doing my hobby. But I do, and I have kids, so hobby time is quite limited.
This is not at all surprising. Almost all hobbies and sports are like this.
The only difference that makes this interesting is the fact that you could be gaming while watching about gaming, which is untrue for many other hobbies.
You don’t watch football while playing football? What else is the jumbotron even good for?
dude in AR glasses runs across the field
I ain’t gonna tell nobody how to live their life or nothing, but, uh…
Kiss Cam, and wacky mascot antics. At least that is what I’m led to believe. Never actually been to a sporting event with a jumbotron.
They’ll also show replays of important plays, often in slow motion so the fans can get frustrated when a call doesn’t go their way.
Not really interesting. Gaming is often stressful and requires more though / action being put into it. Also there is the matter of skill - it’s way more fun to see someone completely anihilate the other team, than to go out and get killed yourself. You can also go through a story based game without having to actually play, and you get most of the experience. You also need to count in people watching other people’s guides, especially for strategy games. For other hobbies it’s often about actually doing something and feeling the rush, or by occupying the hands and chilling out. You don’t get the rush of driving a car by watching someone else do it. You don’t get your hands occupied by seeing someone knit. Also, gaming provides instant feedback / dopamine. Watching it does that with even less effort.
I don’t find gaming stressful at all, I just honestly don’t have the time for it. Gaming means my butt needs to be in the chair doing nothing other than playing the game. Watching/listening means I can be doing dishes, folding laundry, or even commuting to work. Very rarely am I totally focused on watching/listening to someone playing a game, and I’m never involved in the chat.
If I had the time, I wouldn’t watch nearly as much, but I don’t, so watching is my surrogate.
You don’t really know it until you stop watching videos for like a week. Suddenly you want to do your favorite things again; try things yourself again.
Yeah cause I’m too busy to game frequently, but I can watch something while being productive.
I mean they are counting e-sports? Because is the same shit as watching soccer but better, vast majority of soccer fans doesn’t play it regularly.
7.4 hours a week gaming
Those are rookie numbers
The long weekend from Thanksgiving gave me unprecedented access to factorio space age. I think I hit 60 hours last week.
Cool 😎
That’s me for sure these days. Back in high school I used to play at least a couple of hours every day. I have a gaming PC and a Steam Deck but probably play a few hours a month. But I’ll happily watch several hours of Twitch each day while I’m relaxing.
Probably just getting older and busier, haha.
As a (probably) even older guy I find it the weirdest thing ever. “watching games being played”. It’s boring AF.
Sure, I can’t t play counterstrike effectively anymore. Sure I am the one with the most deaths in helldivers2. Doom eternal is just way too twitchy for me. I’ve become too slow. In mechwarrior 5 I have too put the difficulty on story/easy and aim assist on. Which hurt my old ego the most to be honest.
But doing it still beats the shit out of watching it.
/start_old_man_rant
Especially these days when every streamer is an egocentric manchilds screaming their head off in a totally scripted “episode”. Or girls in bikinis only because it sells. Can we just leave that in hooters? And everything is bought and paid for. You’re watching a commercial. Or do you really think that logo on his mike just happens to be in view? Or the brand of the gaming chair?or that cupboard behind him filled with lights and gaming gear? Its ultra consumerism. And the begging for money. Fuck off. Really.
I hate it.
I miss total biscuit. That was entertainment.
/end_old_man_rant
I mean, the thing that people watch twitch for is mainly the person/people on the stream, the game is a backdrop, rarely the actual focus
And not everyone is ego-centric like you’re saying? I mean, there’s literally tens of thousands of streamers. Don’t just look at the biggest ones that probably mainly appeal to kids, i.e. a different audience than you. Chances are the kind of people you would enjoy watching are just smaller and more niche
Definitely fall into this category. Commentary/ video essays about games are my go-to for background noise.
Commentator: “Here’s my 100-hour video essay on what King’s Duty 8, an award-winning game, could have handled differently, with another 40 pages of annotations.”
Game Developer at 4:50 PM: “Ok whatever, we didn’t fix the cutscene bug but at least it doesn’t crash. Time to go home and not think about video games all weekend.”Game Production Manager: “Nobody is going home until we get this bug ironed out. You don’t have to come in this weekend if you don’t want, but we won’t renew your contract if you didn’t.”
Because the new games are shit and the good old games you can’t play on newer systems properly
Emulators are a thing, you know.
imagine if this was about football fans
I can only watch so much football as can a rare other people like me. If I am watching football I want the view of one position. I don’t care that the quarterback got sacked on the play, how did the running back avoid the defense in his attempts to become open for a pass - or some such that I want to emulate when I next play. (i think that is a likely thing - I consider football too dangerous to play so I’m guessing - in reality I’d prefer to see other sports that I’m likely to play)
edit: spelling
i can’t make heads or tails of this reply :P
“how did the running back avoid the defense”, i’m assuming there should be a “to” in there? who runs back? i can’t parse it…
They went with American football, where “running back” and ”defense” refer to positions.
…huh.
The game most of the world calls “football” is called “soccer” in the US. We have a very popular game we call “football” in the US that is unrelated to “soccer”, instead it is related to rugby (still very different from rugby, but there is a relation)
strange
Welcome to the world. There are strange things all over. Sit back and enjoy laughing at the ride.
buarterpacv
That’s a fascinating way to spell… Presumably “quarterback”?
The interesting part to me is that you can watch football even when/if you can’t play football, but you could be gaming instead of watching.
Nah, I can’t game while I’m doing the dishes but I can watch a video just fine
You’re taking too long to do the dishes.
There are more chores than dishes:
- folding laundry
- sweeping and mopping the floor
- fixing the car
- going through the mail
- changing the sheets
That’s when I watch/listen to streamers, I almost never do it when I could otherwise be gaming. I’ll occasionally listen/watch while gaming though.
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I feel this so much sometimes…
I don’t only do dishes. Also, there are short videos.
Watching sports is a useful activity when you confined to a hospital bed for a month or two as has happened to people I know. In one case they wouldn’t be allowed to game, even sports were in danger of being too exciting for their condition.
Logic does not check out. Like they’re both activities I can do on my couch? Okay sure, I guess. Just like I can watch a video about knitting even if I can’t knit, but I could be knitting instead of watching!? Complete nonsense…
fully agree
Never really understood watching it when playing is also very little effort. It’s not football.
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Sometimes I’ll watch videos for build inspiration, especially for survival crafting games
I hate watching people play video games too, but definitely for strategy or inspiration it can be helpful
Well…
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“Videos about gaming” don’t necessarily have to be gameplay footage. Reviews, promotional materials, discussions etc. count. Maybe even stuff like Viva La Dirt League’s content which is live action skits about video games.
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Tutorials and walkthroughs exist.
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Some vintage systems are difficult to get up and running or even find. For a lot of people it’s easier to just watch an enthusiast do it on youtube.
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Especially on Twitch with streamers it’s as much about the player as it is the game.
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Especially with esports or speedrunning it’s like watching a sporting event. Even if you like playing football too there’s something to watching the professionals play at the top echelons.
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One can watch gaming videos while doing other things. When I was moving into my apartment in Greensboro I assembled my furniture while watching HCBailly play through the Gameboy Zelda games.
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I’m definitely one of those people, but I work in an office where they let us watch shit on our phones as long as the work still gets done. A hell of a lot easier to watch YT videos than to try to sneak an Xbox S into a cubicle farm ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Might wanna contemplate about nvidias geforce now 😁
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I didn’t use it, but I’m still salty that publishers had a fit about that. It’s honestly none of their fucking business where you run your games.
I’m not investing in a cloud only platform like Google’s abandoned attempt, so the only hope is a hybrid like Geforce Now.
It’s an okay-ish solution for people who don’t wanna invest in a pricey pc or that just wanna game from their potato thinclient. No mods kills it for me personally.
A guy at work used to use a cloud service called Shadow PC.
They’d basically rent a gaming PC out and he’d just torrent them right on to the cloud machine. Pretty sure mods would have worked there.
It felt a touch laggy with a mouse, but a controller would probably have been just fine. It’s a shame there’s a disconnect between what gamers want (a gaming PC that’s just somewhere else) and what providers want (a walled garden).
True. Those cloud-services allow for mods. But still too laggy, too expensive, too much hassle. And in the end you own nothing again. Like car leasing 😑
But gf now is much cheaper, but therefore has those downsides. But yes. Just a pc somewhere else
Interesting that you see a difference between the two. Football also does not require incredible effort to play, still a lot of people only watch it.
for me it’s mostly because I am too depressed and unmotivated to get out of bed and go sit in front of the console/PC but not depressed enough to put the dumb addictive black rectangle down
(i am taking medication i hope this changes)
I hope it changes for you too!
thank :]
My wife likes YouTubers but isn’t a gamer. If I’m doing stuff with them I’m more likely to pick a video about games than a game.
My wife thought she was the same until suddenly it clicked and she realized she is in fact a gamer
We called my wife “fake gamer girl” for a while because we made a group chat back in 2020 with everyone in it to coordinate online games. They were there because she would play Among Us or Jack Box with us. It was very tongue in cheek. To be honest, they may have even said it themselves for the first time lol.
Nice. My partner is more of a movie person and I’m more a games person, so I’ll watch movies with her almost as a favour, and she’ll return it by playing games with me lol.
There’s an art to picking a movie or game for a choosie person, and we’ve both got pretty good at predicting eachothers’ tastes in media.
That’s because I suck at the games I like and need that hit of dopamine imagining I’m actually good at something
you only know you suck because of watching others. I skip that part :-)
Damn I feel that
I am absolutely trash with the elden ring series but I love everything about it. I watch people play and enjoy it. I’m sure 20 years ago I’d have been all in on them but my game difficulty is set to easy these days.
My first thought: I love the stories in Elden Ring, there’s so many, so much history written into the art. But between constantly getting mollywopped and it being kind of trickle fed, I lose the story(ies). There are a handful of channels that go indepth on the stories, the legend, the history and “archeology” of The Lands Between.
There’s a lot of intention and love put into Elden Ring, but do to sucking at video games, sometimes it’s easier to enjoy the stories through other avenues.I beat elden ring and the expansion.
it took me 200 hours. it took me 6+ months and a few holiday breaks to do it.
most games are like 1/10 of that length. game is crazy massive and long and detailed. and id’ probably have to sink 500h+ to get all the details and endings and experience the various play styles.
It took me a long time in the first play through. Mainly because I just stopped for a few months after beating my head against the wall that is Melania.
