Right now, on Stack Overflow, Luigi Magione’s account has been renamed. Despite having fruitfully contributed to the network he is stripped of his name and his account is now known as “user4616250”.

This appears to violate the creative commons license under which Stack Overflow content is posted.

When the author asked about this:

As of yet, Stack Exchange has not replied to the above post, but they did promptly and within hours gave me a year-long ban for merely raising the question. Of course, they did draft a letter which credited the action to other events that occurred weeks before where I merely upvoted contributions from Luigi and bountied a few of his questions.

  • @FolknForage@lemm.ee
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    “No wars but class wars” as true today as when Trotsky said it many decades ago. Not sure how anyone cannot see this very, very clear fact, made self evident by the treatment of Luigi and the composition of the upcoming administration and its supporters.

    But every other commoner that sees it needs to take according measures.

    Culture is not our friend.

    • @intensely_human@lemm.ee
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      Can’t have a “terrorist” demonstrating his competence and productivity after all.

      The overlords know they’ve really fucked up when the competent, productive people start getting resentful and side-eyeing the system.

      • @0x0@programming.dev
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        True, although it may also be “good things” done by person do not outweigh “bad thing” done by person. I’m sure there’s a name for that.
        Like human experimentation. Yes, bad, shouldn’t be done, outright illegal, immoral, inhumane, but has been done. Should we discard the scientific results?

        • @bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net
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          There should be efforts to duplicate the results in an ethical way, the lack of rigorous ethics indicates biases. If you tortured a guy for research, did you also do less bad things like falsify results?

          The Stanford prison experiment is a good example, afaik they published in several journals and I don’t believe any of them have printed retractions. There are huge problems with the methodology that are still being discussed, and the results are still being referenced.

        • sunzu2
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          Obviously no… We hired these criminals so they can keep doing these experiments in the US!

      • @ansiz@lemmy.world
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        Don’t worry everyone, the new President is going to rename the Gulf of Mexico and annex Greenland, so that will take care of it!

        • @486@lemmy.world
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          Of course they aren’t small, but they are probably as small as it gets, since they are pretty efficiently compressed. I am not sure what you mean by

          it’s not a straightforward operation for even the average developer or systems engineer to restore these into a working format

          since it is really trivial to use them. Just load them with Kiwix and serve them as a website. It doesn’t get much easier than that.

            • @486@lemmy.world
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              When hosting this locally, I don’t see how 200 GB is much of an issue. Storage is so cheap these days, if you want to host it locally, just buy a 256 GB SSD just for that data for $20. Anyway, you were asking for a mirror, to which I replied with the information about the ZIM files. I don’t really understand the issue. Stackoverflow just isn’t that small, there is not much you can do about that.

              I think it’d take a few hours to setup even a smaller copy of SO, which isn’t ideal for answering a quick question.

              The download? Maybe, depends on your Internet connection’s speed. Actually serving it as a website certainly doesn’t take hours. It is rather a matter of seconds.

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              I looked into doing something similar with Wikipedia and the recommendation is also to use Kiwix, and the offline file size is also very large.

              Welcome to the collapse! Hoarding “clean data” for personal use is like hoarding clean water and food: you need a place to keep it, and it starts going stale the minute you shelve it. So either buy a digital bunker to load up with what you need or ask the all knowing AI gods for answers like the other poors.

              Also the Stack Exchange software used to be open source, surely there’s still a fork somewhere. You could certainly run your own Developer QA site, but like with Lemmy, the problem then is getting enough traffic to be able to productively tap into the collective wisdom.

              (Edit: sorry, this comes across mean spirited but I’m honestly sympathetic and just nihilisticallly frustrated to be in a similar situation. I foresee a big NAS and a lot of downloads in my future, but I hope we also find ways to share our forbidden knowledge until the day it can be free again)

  • @OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml
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    I cross posted this to Hacker News (which is very pro-CEO and big corpo) and it’s now rank 1 on the front page, lmao. People really support this guy

    (And it’s funny because in the comments, people are seething “Nooooo he’s not popular, look at these polls that show he has 13% approval!!”)

    (Not sharing link to avoid brigade)

    • @chiliedogg@lemmy.world
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      Even if the 13% number were accurate - that’s a pretty damning number. 13% of people supporting someone for gunning down a CEO in cold blood is terrifying to CEOs.

      That’s not 13% hating them. That’s 13% of people celebrating someone for killing them. No lawsuits. No trials. Just gunning them down in the streets. Things have gotten really bad when you have that much of the population actively supporting your murder.

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        That 13% would also be people who would openly admit to supporting his actions. There are a lot of people who condemn his actions publicly but in their own minds…?

      • @FolknForage@lemm.ee
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        If billionaires were protected as we protect children in schools, we’d literally run out billionaires in a month.

      • @Scrollone@feddit.it
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        This is the only solution to modern world problems. Imagine how many problems we would solve right away if we started gunning down powerful people, CEOs, politicians.

    • @ayyy@sh.itjust.works
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      Lmao it has 3x as many votes as anything else on HN but the moderated pushed it all the way down to page 3 (position 60-something when I just checked).

    • @buddascrayon@lemmy.world
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      What kind of world have we come into where Hacker News is a pro corporation website?

      Hackers used to be the antithesis of big corporations and capitalist overreach.

    • @Bronzebeard@lemm.ee
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      Wait, seriously? WTF is it named hacker news? Hackers are the least corporate people out there…

        • @turmacar@lemmy.world
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          Yuppies are weird because it was originally just a way to keep them in the news (“new movement! new group! news at 11!”) and be ridiculous. They got the DoD to sign a contract about exactly how high they were permitted to levitate the Pentagon.

          And then it had it’s own Eternal September moment. But everything seems to.

    • @Dayroom7485@lemmy.world
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      The submission has been clearly penalized by hn moderators: Posted 3h ago, upvoted >600 times with almost 500 comments, ranking 23rd on the front page. Ranking first currently is a submission with 80 upvotes, posted 1h ago.

  • @OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml
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    On Stack Exchange, all of the contributions on the site are contributed under a license maintained by a third party called Creative Commons […] the work remains properly attributed.

    This is the main issue IMO

  • Zier
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    user4616250 will now be a famous meme. “How do we fix healthcare? We call user4616250.”

    • Flying Squid
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      A musician needs to write a catchy tune to put the name to so people will remember the numbers.

        • Flying Squid
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          Nice and catchy, but it needs to be catchy with more digits. Tommy “Tutone” Heath is still alive. I’m just saying.

        • Flying Squid
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          53 months ago

          I believe in you. If it isn’t the new 867-5309, hopefully it will at least be the next 6060-842.

            • @flicker@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              Luigi, Luigi, who can I turn to?
              You give me something I can hold onto!
              Things can’t stay the way that they were before
              It’s time to put some villains up on the wall!

              Luigi I got your number!
              I think it’s hero time!
              Luigi don’t change your number!

              Four six one six two five oh!
              Four six one six two five oh!
              Four six one six two five oh!
              Four six one six two five oh!

              Luigi Luigi you’re the guy for me
              Oh, you don’t know me but you make me so happy. I tried to free you but I lost my nerve. I said “nullification” but I got censored

              Luigi I got your number. I think it’s hero time. Luigi don’t change your number

              Four six one six two five oh!
              Four six one six two five oh!
              Four six one six two five oh!
              Four six one six two five oh!

              I got it (I got it) I got it
              Put those assholes on the wall!
              I got it (I got it) I got it
              For the good of, for the good of us all!

              Luigi, Luigi who can we turn to
              (Four six one six two five oh)
              To know our pain, we can always turn to you. (Four six one six two five oh)

      • Zier
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        “calling user 461-62-50, he’s our dude, what he does is nifty!” :)

    • CurlyWurlies4All
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      Do not forget me user4616250

      Look down, look down You’ll always be a slave Look down, look down You’re standing in your grave

      • @Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world
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        "He knew that man was me. Without a second glance! That Micky Ds employee spotted me. The crime stoppers bounty is his chance!

        Why should I try to hide? Why should I go unkown. When I have come so far. And struggled for so long?

        If I speak, I am condemned. If I stay silent, they have won!

        I am the ceo slayer that got away. They all are looking at me. How can I abandon them? How would they live. If I am not free?

        If I speak, I am condemned. If I stay silent, I am damned!

        Who am I? Should not this wage slave benefit. Pretend I do not feel his agony. This innocent who can be set free.

        Who else should face their judgment. Who am I? Can I conceal myself for evermore? Pretend I am the man I was before? And hide my crime until I die.

        Be no more than an alibi? Must I lie?

        How can I ever face my fellow men? How can I ever face myself again? My fate belongs to capitlism, I know. I made that bargain long ago. I gave them hope when hope was gone. I gave them strength to journey on.

        [He appears in front of the court]

        Who am I? Who am I? I’m Luigi!

        [He unbuttons his shirt to reveal the scares of a botched surgery]

        And so UHC, you see it’s true. This man bears no more guilt than you! Who am I?

        user4616250!"

    • CodexArcanum
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      “Censorship forced me to flee a pro-nazi site to another pro-nazi site,” is a contradiction worth noting. It highlights the general pro-nazi vibe going around big tech.

  • The Menemen!
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    I am a little tired of the idea that “tech” is something extraordinary. Capitalists in a capitalist society will do all evil to fulfill their goal, t3ch or no tech. You could use the same sentence in everything in this society. Even: “… and how green energy always serves the ruling class.”

  • @WhatYouNeed@lemmy.world
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    By this logic, everyone charged (not convicted, just charged) should have their accounts and submissions changed in the same manner as Luigi’s.

    • Carighan Maconar
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      Man I sure wish this’d mean all Trump-generated content and speeches got deleted. That’d be genuinely helpful to the world at least…

        • @sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
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          Pretty much everyone pleads not guilty, especially in a politically motivated murder charge (there’s always a chance of a hung jury or jury nullification). That said, his manifesto could be considered a form of confession and will certainly be used as evidence to that effect.

            • @sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
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              I never said he was guilty, I said he confessed. A plead of “not guilty” doesn’t necessarily mean you think you’re innocent (i.e. you perjure yourself; the 5th amendment protects against that), it just means you want to go through a trial. You can confess and still choose to go through trial proceedings.

              • @spujb@lemmy.cafe
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                To add, plenty of innocent people give false confessions of guilt. It’s a known pattern in human behavior especially under stress and duress.

                I have no information to say whether this case is an example of that one way or the other, but just putting that out there.

                • @sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
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                  I’m just saying that there’s probably enough evidence that it’s reasonable for a social media site to pull/hide his profile despite not being sentenced. He’s obviously innocent until proven guilty, but that doesn’t mean his profiles are immune from vandalism and whatnot.

              • @nomous@lemmy.world
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                I was not aware he confessed and can’t find anything saying he did. Do you have a source confirming he’s confessed?

      • @SolaceFiend@lemmy.world
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        The presumption or admission of guilt does not and should not justify violating the Creative Commons License, nor perpetrating any illegal behavior agains any individual(s).

        If JK Rowling went out and robbed a bank, or murdered an ex-Husband, in no world or timeline would that give a member of her publishing company the right to scratch out her name from any of her books and replace it with their own or someone else’s.

        • @sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
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          should not justify violating the Creative Commons License

          Absolutely. Even a guilty verdict shouldn’t justify violating the Creative Commons License. It should either be completely taken down/hidden, or left in-tact.

          That’s not at all what I’m saying though though, I’m saying that it’s reasonable for the site to take action to hide the account. He’s a public figure with an apparent confession, which is going to attract a lot of attention to that account that otherwise wouldn’t be there. They shouldn’t have done it this way since it violates the Creative Commons License, but I am saying that action to hide/disable the account is warranted.

          • @SolaceFiend@lemmy.world
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            So far, all I’ve found is a 2018 publication by the Police Executive Research Forum, entitled “The Changing Nature of Crime And Criminal Investigations”. It’s a 67 page document, and I’m curious to see if it discusses how their investigation tactics may have changed, and if so, whether the aforementioned tactic is mentioned as being included.

            • @SolaceFiend@lemmy.world
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              I didn’t find anything. But I also work 40 plus hours a week, so that doesn’t necessarily mean there’s not something out there. But it’s more likely the case that this might not be true, from what I know.

          • @SolaceFiend@lemmy.world
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            Another comment way down claims it’s standard operating procedure for social media sites to disable/hide and account of a highly publicized murderer, particularly during investigations. However, the provided no examples nor sources or technical documents that detail this as something that is genuinely done as a standard procedure.

            I’m kinda gonna do my own research on that, but I feel the validity of Stack’s actions would to some degree depend on the results of researching that claim, and whether or not that is true.

            It’s kinda difficult to research something like that though when most highly publicized murders predated social media in its current form, so it would be hard to have a lot of examples despite there being a decent number of people who fit the bill, ironically.

  • circuitfarmer
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    As of yet, Stack Exchange has not replied to the above post, but they did promptly and within hours gave me a year-long ban for merely raising the question.

    Laws mean nothing anymore. Therefore licenses mean nothing. Therefore ownership means nothing, and “theft” no longer exists.

    • @caboose2006@lemm.ee
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      I managed to convince my brother in law by using the wrongful death case of Kanokporn Tangsuan as an example. Framed it as his moral responsibility to never sign up for any digital media ever again since he has a family. I pointed him to a few resources to sail the high seas and he’s got his high seas pc hooked up to his TV and cancelled all his subscriptions. I’m so proud.

      • circuitfarmer
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        They agreed to terms when they operated under Creative Commons.

      • @Zink@programming.dev
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        In my experience it’s usually the magats who are the ones defending asshole and/or immoral behavior by pointing out that the offender is acting within the bounds of the law or within their legal rights.

        • @finitebanjo@lemmy.world
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          Idk, I feel like Luigi Mangione being a phrase not allowed on Stack Overflow just makes sense. Good policy.

        • @finitebanjo@lemmy.world
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          No there isn’t.

          Stack Overflow is privately owned by Prosus. You have certain limited rights to the content they host but they do not have the obligation to keep the content up and they even have user terms that every account agrees to: especially for moderation.

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            If they’d just removed his content outright, I would agree with you. But if they’ve left his content up without attribution, that does violate the CC agreement, of which they are upheld by.

            I mean, it’s still a small copyright violation whom the proprietor of is a bit preoccupied to do anything about, so uh…this whole thing is quite dumb.

            • @finitebanjo@lemmy.world
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              Idk if usernames count as “attribution”, even, but I assume the results would be the same if an account was named Jeremy Assface, Ted Bundy, or Adolf Hitler even if the user’s actual name was such. Not to compare Luigi to any of those people, no, but the point is usernames are moderated.

              • @desktop_user@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                usernames are the only form of attribution that makes sense and has ever been used (aside from email, which is again practically a username)

    • @rumba@lemmy.zip
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      Therefore ownership means nothing, and “theft” no longer exists.

      WOAH WOAH WOAH… hold on there Circuitfarmer (checks clipboard) It says here you’re not nearly affluent enough to circumvent the law… we’ll be keeping a close eye on you… --BB

  • @buddascrayon@lemmy.world
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    Here’s a fun fact I just recently came across. In the medieval times when the church wanted to remove a heretic, someone who was speaking out in opposition to church doctrine, they would burn those people at the stake. The reason they would do this was not because this was a common practice to burn people at the stake but in order to prevent relics of the heretics from being collected and giving their followers something to rally around.

    I think Luigi’s Stack Overflow history is a relic of his existence and something people could rally around and the powerful don’t want that to exist.

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    LM Dec 09, 2024

    The second amendment means I am my own chief executive and commander in chief of my own military. I authorize my own act of self-defense in response to a hostile entity making war on me and my family.

    Nelson Mandela says no form of violence can be excused. Camus says it’s all the same, whether you live or die or have a cup of coffee. MLK says violence never brings permanent peace. Gandhi says that non-violence is the mightiest power available to mankind.

    That’s who they tell you are heroes. That’s who our revolutionaries are. Yet is that not capitalistic? Non-violence keeps the system working at full speed ahead. What did it get us. Look in the mirror.

    They want us to be non-violent, so that they can grow fat off the blood they take from us. The only way out is through. Not all of us will make it. Each of us is our own chief executive. You have to decide what you will tolerate.

    In Gladiator 1 Maximus cuts into the military tattoo that identifies him as part of the roman legion. His friend asks “Is that the sign of your god?” As Maximus carves deeper into his own flesh, as his own blood drips down his skin, Maximus smiles and nods yes. The tattoo represents the emperor, who is god. The god emperor has made himself part of Maximus’s own flesh. The only way to destroy the emperor is to destroy himself. Maximus smiles through the pain because he knows it is worth it.

    These might be my last words. I don’t know when they will come for me. I will resist them at any cost. That’s why I smile through the pain. They diagnosed my mother with severe neuropathy when she was forty-one years old.

    She said it started ten years before that with burning sensations in her feet and occasional sharp stabbing pains. At first the pain would last a few moments, then fade to tingling, then numbness, then fade to nothing a few days later. The first time the pain came she ignored it. Then it came a couple times a year and she ignored it. Then every couple months. Then a couple times a month. Then a couple times a week. At that point by the time the tingling faded to numbness, the pain would start, and the discomfort was constant.

    At that point even going from the couch to the kitchen to make her own lunch became a major endeavor

    She started with ibuprofen, until the stomach aches and acid reflux made her switch to acetaminophen. Then the headaches and barely sleeping made her switch back to ibuprofen. The first doctor said it was psychosomatic. Nothing was wrong. She needed to relax, destress, sleep more.

    The second doctor said it was a compressed nerve in her spine. She needed back surgery. It would cost $180,000. Recovery would be six months minimum before walking again. Twelve months for full potential recovery, and she would never lift more than ten pounds of weight again.

    The third doctor performed a Nerve Conduction Study, Electromyography, MRI, and blood tests. Each test cost $800 to $1200. She hit the $6000 deductible of her UnitedHealthcare plan in October. Then the doctor went on vacation, and my mother wasn’t able to resume tests until January when her deductible reset.

    The tests showed severe neuropathy. The $180,000 surgery would have had no effect. They prescribed opioids for the pain. At first the pain relief was worth the price of constant mental fog and constipation. She didn’t tell me about that until later. All I remember is we took a trip for the first time in years, when she drove me to Monterey to go to the aquarium. I saw an otter in real life, swimming on its back. We left at 7am and listened to Green Day on the four-hour car ride. Over time, the opioids stopped working. They made her MORE sensitive to pain, and she felt withdrawal symptoms after just two or three hours.

    Then gabapentin. By now the pain was so bad she couldn’t exercise, which compounded the weight gain from the slowed metabolic rate and hormonal shifts. And it barely helped the pain, and made her so fatigued she would go an entire day without getting out of bed.

    Then Corticosteroids. Which didn’t even work. The pain was so bad I would hear my mother wake up in the night screaming in pain. I would run into her room, asking if she’s OK. Eventually I stopped getting up. She’d yell out anguished shrieks of wordless pain or the word “fuck” stretched and distended to its limits. I’d turn over and go back to sleep.

    All of this while they bled us dry with follow-up appointment after follow-up appointment, specialist consultations, and more imagine scans. Each appointment was promised to be fully covered, until the insurance claims were delayed and denied. Allopathic medicine did nothing to help my mother’s suffering. Yet it is the foundation of our entire society.

    My mother told me that on a good day the nerve pain was like her legs were immersed in ice water. On a bad day it felt like her legs were clamped in a machine shop vice, screwed down to where the cranks stopped turning, then crushed further until her ankle bones sprintered and cracked to accommodate the tightening clamp. She had more bad days than good. My mother crawled to the bathroom on her hands and knees. I slept in the living room to create more distance from her cries in the night. I still woke up, and still went back to sleep. Back then I thought there was nothing I could do.

    The high copays made consistent treatment impossible. New treatments were denied as “not medically necessary.” Old treatments didn’t work, and still put us out for thousands of dollars.

    UnitedHealthcare limited specialist consultations to twice a year. Then they refused to cover advanced imaging, which the specialists required for an appointment.

    Prior authorizations took weeks, then months. UnitedHealthcare constantly changed their claim filing procedure. They said my mother’s doctor needed to fax his notes. Then UnitedHealthcare said they did not save faxed patient correspondence, and required a hardcopy of the doctor’s typed notes to be mailed. Then they said they never received the notes. They were unable to approve the claim until they had received and filed the notes. They promised coverage, and broke their word to my mother.

    With every delay, my anger surged. With every denial, I wanted to throw the doctor through the glass wall of their hospital waiting room. But it wasn’t them. It wasn’t the doctors, the receptionists, administrators, pharmacists, imaging technicians, or anyone we ever met. It was UnitedHealthcare.

    People are dying. Evil has become institutionalized. Corporations make billions of dollars off the pain, suffering, death, and anguished cries in the night of millions of Americans.

    We entered into an agreement for healthcare with a legally binding contract that promised care commensurate with our insurance payments and medical needs. Then UnitedHealthcare changes the rules to suit their own profits. They think they make the rules, and think that because it’s legal that no one can punish them.

    They think there’s no one out there who will stop them.

    Now my own chronic back pain wakes me in the night, screaming in pain. I sought out another type of healing that showed me the real antidote to what ails us.

    I bide my time, saving the last of my strength to strike my final blows. All extractors must be forced to swallow the bitter pain they deal out to millions.

    As our own chief executives, it’s our obligation to make our own lives better. First and foremost, we must seek to improve our own circumstances and defend ourselves. As we do so, our actions have ripple effects that can improve the lives of others.

    Rules exist between two individuals, in a network that covers the entire earth. Some of these rules are written down. Some of these rules emerge from natural respect between two individuals. Some of these rules are defined in physical laws, like the properties of gravity, magnetism or the potential energy stored in the chemical bonds of potassium nitrate. No single document better encapsulates the belief that all people are equal in fundamental worth and moral status and the frameworks for fostering collective well-being than the US constitution.

    Writing a rule down makes it into a law. I don’t give a fuck about the law. Law means nothing. What does matter is following the guidance of our own logic and what we learn from those before us to maximize our own well-being, which will then maximize the well-being of our loved ones and community.

    That’s where UnitedHealthcare went wrong. They violated their contract with my mother, with me, and tens of millions of other Americans. This threat to my own health, my family’s health, and the health of our country’s people requires me to respond with an act of war. END

    Edit: Paragraph spacing may not be original from the Subtack post.

      • @buddascrayon@lemmy.world
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        That is the one he had on his person when he was arrested. The Stack Overflow one is not so much a manifesto as a testament, a recounting of his experience. And an understandable motivation for his actions.

      • @Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works
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        I was aware claims have been made against it. But there is so much conflicting information, that I will leave it up.

        Last time I read this from Klippenstein it was from someone disregarding another “manifesto” that had been circulating around. So much confusion to be had.

        • xapr [he/him]
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          Interesting, I haven’t seen that much conflicting information about them. All the confirmation I’ve seen has been for the version that Klippenstein had published, including for the reason that certain phrases in it matched some descriptions from the media before it had been published.

  • katy ✨
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    i have no love for brian thompson or ceos but the canonisation of a well off wealthy rich kid from a family of republicans is a bit disturbing.

      • katy ✨
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        -73 months ago

        you got me; because i don’t like swooning over rich privileged people i’m defending ceos… /rolleyes

          • Gormadt
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            23 months ago

            Very well said, I hope you don’t catch a ban for this comment.

          • katy ✨
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            comparing luigi to the civil rights movement and black civil rights leaders is wild… and grossly offensive.

            • @madcaesar@lemmy.world
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              33 months ago

              The fact that OP took time to explain everything to you, and you choose to focus on such nonsense instead of seeing the whole picture presented to you shows you have no intention of learning or growing.

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              people being offended by comparisons is something that puzzles me every time i see it.

              One common trait between two things is enough to make an analogy. The differences between the objects being compared doesnt hinder the argument as it is based on the similarities alone.

              • katy ✨
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                the problem is more comparing a privileged rich white kid to black civil rights leaders

                • @zeca@lemmy.eco.br
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                  53 months ago

                  Pointing that A is like B regarding the aspect X is often treated as a “comparison” between A and B, but it doesnt imply that A is as great, as important, or as bad as B. It doesnt imply that A is like B in any way other than in the aspect X.

                  Why not focus on the point that is being made instead of freaking out over the angles from which the analogy breaks down. Every analogy breaks down from some angle.

    • @caboose2006@lemm.ee
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      163 months ago

      He’s closer to you in class and status than Brian Thompson ever was. How fine a comb do you want to use to divide us? Where’s the line?

      • katy ✨
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        -93 months ago

        what does this have to do with dividing us? i mean they’re both not close to me. they’re both wealthy people from well off families. i think instead of donating a bunch of money to him, people should start donating to people facing vast sums of medical debt.

        • @redwattlebird@lemmings.world
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          33 months ago

          People do - through tax but the rich divert the funds through policy using laws that they’ve shaped to benefit themselves rather than the nation.

          Honestly, if anyone has a chance of murdering the rich and setting a precedent of self defence over social murder, it’s another rich who can afford an excellent lawyer to see out the lengthy court case.

        • @rasakaf679@lemmy.ml
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          83 months ago

          Instead of people paying for ridiculous amount of medical debt due to inflated amount of medical bill due insurance companies. Govt can pay for their own people medical coverage who are paying tax for them to run the govt.

          • katy ✨
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            sure but that’s not likely to happen with republicans in government.

            • @rasakaf679@lemmy.ml
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              If i have to say both are similar. They work for the ultra rich. They both don’t care about common people, you and I both. That’s why Luigi mangione did what he had to do. Making the rich know their place. Whether he is rich or not doesn’t matter. We needed to send the message across.

        • @zbyte64@awful.systems
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          13 months ago

          You would be hard pressed to spend your money better than Luigi in regards to reducing medical debt. Anthem got scared and walked back rationing anesthesia during surgeries.

    • @ubergeek@lemmy.today
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      33 months ago

      He’s a good example of one can be a class traitor in a good way!

      Why not idolize the folks crossing over to the right side of history?