• @Odo@lemmy.world
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    Battleship. It’s just such a bizarre license for a movie, and certainly one nobody ever asked for. (Well, outside Hasbro execs clearly desperate for another Transformers-level hit.)

    Oddly watchable in a big dumb fun kind of way, at least. And hey, it has Jesse Plemons not playing a total sociopath, so that’s neat.

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        I like it. It’s like junk food, you know it’s bad, but it’s still nice when you get the craving for something bad.

      • @Odo@lemmy.world
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        Yes, they work in the line “they’re not gonna sink this battleship!”. When you’re committed to this absurd premise, you pretty much have to say it.

    • @AA5B@lemmy.world
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      Yeah I’m not even sure why I watched it, it looks so bad. But it’s entertaining as heck, and well worth watching again

      • @Flocklesscrow@lemmy.zip
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        John Carter suffered from an awful title.

        “Princess of Mars,” would have resonated better with marketing. And is actually one of the book titles.

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          I agree, but Dianey was desperate to create a new franchise. It was their response to Iron Man and the anticipated success of the MCU.

      • @MagicShel@lemmy.zip
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        Neither of those movies were really all that terrible. I enjoyed John Carter. But clearly they didn’t connect with audiences.

          • @jacksilver@lemmy.world
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            Yeah, I was upset they didnt continue John Carter, it was just a fun zany scifi movie. I think it was the advertising that killed it, but if they had stuck with it I think it could have done well.

        • @beejboytyson@lemmy.world
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          It’s the name and the power concept, all around bland and forgettable. Feel like that movie was a passion project of a book fan.

      • @Babalugats@lemmy.world
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        I must be on my own. I know John Carter flopped phenomenally, but I really liked it. Thought it was a great movie. Was very annoyed when I found out that there may never be a 2nd. Even if there was, at this stage it is very unlikely to be the same cast. IIRC, a lot of the blame was on Disney marketing. But IDK about these things.

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          It would have been a great Sci Fi miniseries, and eventually a movie. They didn’t prep the groundwork for the franchise and casted very poorly

        • DaftyduxOP
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          Don’t worry brother, I still go back and watch waterworld. I like oceanscapes and post apocalyptic settings. Esthetic can be enough for me.

      • @Denjin@lemmings.world
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        I did some digging and apparently Waterworld somehow broke even. I remember a lot of the hype around the film at the time was wanting to see if it was really as bad as people said it was.

    • Boomer Humor Doomergod
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      It _could _ have been great. But it ended up - like the Mario movie - being a formulaic piece of drek.

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          Ok but which mario do you prefer? The new one or the 90s Mario Brothers?

          • @Fondots@lemmy.world
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            I do a movie night once a year and every year we do a different theme. Sometimes it’s a pretty normal and straightforward theme, the first year or two I did it was Robert Rodriguez movies (this party is nominally a Cinco de Mayo part) but we quickly ran out of those, so we pick a random theme every year

            One year the theme ended up being "movies that got a better “remake’” (we watched the worse versions)

            I believe that theme was 2023, it’s been a wild fucking 2 years so I can’t remember all of the movies we watched, we usually manage to squeeze in about 3

            But I remember David Lynch’s dune was on the list, as was the Super Mario Bros movie. None of us had actually seen the new Mario movie, so we just kind of took it on faith that it had to be better.

            If I had a point to this story, I’ve long since forgotten what it was, but I’ve typed it out and I’m gonna post it.

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              Hmm, I wonder if they kept the story and actor voices but CGI’D it… nah that couldnt possibly.

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                The trouble with something like that is we already have the 90s Mario movie, and the actors’ performances (visual as well as voice) and the delightfully bonkers direction and production design are the best things about it. There’d be absolutely no benefit to throwing everything but the soundtrack out and redoing it line-by-prerecorded-line as a cartoon, when if you want a Mario cartoon which looks like the games you can more easily just make a new cartoon (which is what they did.)

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            That’s the problem.

            Why the hell is Mario fighting Donkey Kong to the song “Thunderstruck?”

            Because that is the least common denominator between them.

            They couldn’t take any of the music from any of the Mario games for that scene? Of course not; most people wouldn’t know it’s music from a Mario game.

            No, we need to slam a Top 40 classic rock song in there because that’s the only thing the plebeians who see this movie will understand.

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              Idk, I think the issue here is that Mario is for plebians. I don’t know any “real” gamers who would answer a Mario game as their favorite game. Hell they likely wouldn’t be naming a platform game period. Why wouldn’t they throw in a song like that? Mario is fun for everyone, and it’s one of the video games that isn’t niche, has little to no barrier to entry and is just goofy and fun. Why wouldn’t the movie just be goofy and fun?

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                I don’t know any “real” gamers who would answer a Mario game as their favorite game. Hell they likely wouldn’t be naming a platform game period

                2008 is over, it’s socially acceptable to like games that aren’t military shooters now

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                  I think I was unclear. Mario is my favorite. I have been told I’m not really a gamer over it. That’s all I meant. I’m the plebian I’m talking about. Thousand Year Door on GameCube is my favorite game of all time, with Stardew as a close competitor. A lot of my gamer friends are fine calling me a gamer but I’ve definitely been hate kept over these preferences.

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                There are plenty of gamers who love Mario games, and there’s a huge depth of lore and music and characters they could have drawn from to make it

                By using generic songs it became a movie that had a Mario skin on it.

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                  I think I was unclear. Mario is my favorite. I’m the plebian I’m talking about. I’m a gamer and Thousand Year Door on GameCube is my favorite game of all time. I don’t mind a bit that they threw thunderstruck in. My dad was in the theater with me and my brother, and my sister, and my nephews. All of us are obsessed with Mario but my Dad and sister, and thunderstruck meant my dad and sister were enjoying that scene as much as us, even though they didn’t get the more subtle Mario Easter eggs.

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              No, we need to slam a Top 40 classic rock song in there because that’s the only thing the plebeians who see this movie will understand.

              See also: the Beastie Boys bullshit in JJ-Trek.

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      I loved it. It was slop, but was good slop. I think it’s fun to watch with a friend.

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    The SW Sequels. I admit that I didn’t hate TFA, but the other two were very very very shit.

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        I would disagree. The prequels told a story that deserved to be told and was mostly internally consistent. The tone was different from the original trilogy, but they are still decent, if flawed, works.

        The sequels are fanboy level writing.

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          The prequels told a story that deserved to be told and was mostly internally consistent.

          Hard disagree on both.

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      Id rather watch earl arbor. Its about a guy named earl who is also a tree.

    • I was in the Navy and my ship visited Pearl Harbor in the 90s. We gave honors to the ship monuments and it was a great honor to be apart of that. It was a memory I really cherish.

      When the bad reviews started coming out almost immediately, I knew I could never watch that movie and hold my personal memories in the same regard.

      so I have never seen it and will walk out of the room if someone insists on watching it around me.

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        Take Titanic, where the movie is a romance that happens to be set in a historical event.

        Now imagine that instead of a director who really loves the ocean, it’s a director who really loves blowing shit up. That’s Pearl Harbor, and you would be correct for avoiding it with violence if necessary.

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        You’re not missing much. I saw it around the time it came out and will not watch it again. There are just too many things that are a better use of my time, like shampooing the family dog or taking a nap.

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      Simple:

      He and his crew had 2 years of prep for Lotr, storyboards, finding locations, making props and sets, etc.

      New Line Cinemas forced him to do that same prep in 6 months for the Hobbit. Allegedly they didn’t even fully finish the script and had to cut in Del Toro scenes.

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        The forced trilogy structure also really hurt it. When the Hobbit film adaptation was initially announced (at the time just two movies, even), I thought that it didn’t make any sense to adapt a book shorter than any of the individual LotR installments into multiple movies. When they revealed it would be a trilogy, I knew it was some studio decision to milk it for money and didn’t have high hopes.

        There is actually a fan edit floating around online somewhere called “The Hobbit: Extended Edition” which, contrary to what the name might imply, cuts down the trilogy into a single movie of comparable length to the LotR Extended films. Still not perfect, but a huge improvement in quality just from cutting out all of the extra garbage that didn’t need to be there.

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          There are a few different edits, but my fave is the M4 Book Edit. It only follows what was covered in the book and cuts out all the additions like the Kili/Tauriel love story (and Tauriel is cut out completely along with Azog until the end), the Dol Guldur stuff, and Gandalf’s escapades outside the party. It cuts the trilogy down to 4hr18min. Aside from a few unavoidably janky transitions, it’s great.

          I absolutely adore it for 2 reasons: One, I really dislike the trilogy as a whole, but that’s because of the bloat, which M4 gets rid of. Two, the older I get the harder it is to go through LOTR as often as I like. I usually do an LOTR rewatch once a year, and tried to add in the Hobbit, but usually stopped after the first. It’s just too much time for not enough payoff. With the M4 edit, I’ll get stoned and watch it 5 or 6 times a year.

          For as much flack as Jackson gets the for The Hobbit movies, he did a phenomenal job where it counts. There really is a wonderful, true-to-source Hobbit adventure scattered throughout the 8hr52min bloat that is the trilogy.

          For funsies, if you like the other bits there’s another fan edit called Durin’s Folk and the Hill of Sorcery that’s 1hr8min that covers Gandalf’s adventure after he fucks off from the party at Mirkwood.

      • @MidsizedSedan@lemmy.world
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        I think it was Prime’s Theater where I learnt that for the Smaug fight scene for movie 2, they planed the set the night before, painted the next morning, filmed, and the paint was still wet when the sets were taken down.

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      Watching it flop, then become a meme, then the studio thinking it was attracting an audience because it was being mentioned a lot, to release it again only to have it flop again was just decadent.

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    The Last Jedi.

    I left the theatre angry that they spent enough money to take mankind back to the moon on something that stupid.

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      And yet… it’s my favorite post-OT movie. It could’ve used another draft to tighten a couple things up here and there, but it was good.

      Now… TRoS is one of the worst films I’ve ever seen in my life and is the only Star Wars property I’ve only seen a single time and never will watch again. Hell I watched Book of Boba Fett twice. Shit, I’ve watched In the Name of the King: A Dungeon Siege Tale twice. I’d have to go back to Battlefield Earth to think of an equally terrible film.

      But when watching The Last Jedi I feel nothing but joy.

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        No, the horses were in Rise of Skywalker.

        The Last Jedi was the one with the “Can you hear me now?” gags, and Luke tossing the lightsaber away.

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          I think they meant the horse-like things on the casino planet.

          • SanguinePar
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            Oh god, right enough, I’d forgotten about those, and that whole casino thing! God damn, I hated that movie…

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      I can’t leave it at that. I have to add some details.

      Both the empire and the rebels repeatedly made tactical decisions so stupid a five-year old would know better. The opening battle involved sending unprotected bombers against a ship with anti-bomber defences and keeping the enemy commander talking on the phone to delay his response. That works in a Mel Brooks movie, not in Star Wars.

      They killed a fan-favourite character off-screen. What, was the puppet too old to reprise its role?

      The empire’s main guy decided to chase the rebels down instead of destroying them immediately. For fun, I guess.

      Phasma’s a badass. Except that she capitulates at the first sign of personal danger.

      All Holdo had to say was “yes, there’s a plan. Not telling you what because of operational secrecy”. Instead she expected Poe to blindly follow orders when he’d already shown he couldn’t do that.

      “Oh no, the sacred texts!” …that you attempted to burn a moment ago.

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        My favorite bit:

        Leia gives Rey a pendant and tells her that she can use that to track them wherever they go.

        In the SAME SCENE, with NO CUTS, they are tracked by the first order and shout “THAT’S IMPOSSIBLE!”

        You just described, IN THE SAME SCENE, how it is, in fact, possible.

        Bonus: Putting a tracker in the Falcon was how the Death Star found Yavin IV in the very first movie.

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        I highly highly recommend this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuuDTnMPMgc

        I think you’ll like it a lot. I realized that bathos is what I hated about the Last Jedi. They killed so many truly deep moments to have stupid jokes. They couldn’t let anything just be serious. It ruined the tone of the movie, couldn’t decide if they wanted to be a comedy or a drama, and so they did neither.

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        All Holdo had to say was “yes, there’s a plan. Not telling you what because of operational secrecy”. Instead she expected Poe to blindly follow orders when he’d already shown he couldn’t do that.

        Well, he did fine following orders in the first movie, and then they changed the entire character in the second movie but kept the same name. I have no idea why they did that.

      • @MotoAsh@lemmy.world
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        You expect a movie director only interested in pretty scenes to write a good plot!?

        … your name must be Kathleen Kennedy…

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            Yes, and she gave Ryan Johnson full control and backed up his lameass girlboss and “subverting expectation” BS in pressers after.

            She even joined in on calling everyone that said the sucky movie sucked misogynists.

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              I don’t think this is entirely accurate. I know ultimately Kathleen called a lot of the shots and was very meddling in the production and I thitk Ryan was trying to do something original after seeing what a superficial piece of garbage TFA was. Ryan is actually a good writer / director.

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          I can.

          Luke’s arc is exactly as he predicted back in Empire and ROTJ. He found peace and defeated his foe using the force in a peaceful way and helped them escape in redemption. Redemption from the horrific way he wanted to kill his disciple out of fear.

          Rey and Kylo had legitimate struggles with who they were. A character arc of not knowing who was truly bad or good and the internal struggles with figuring that out.

          The battle scene with the imperial guards with Rey and Kylo was one of the best cinematic battle scenes in Star Wars for me.

          The vision quest of Rey was legit eye opening on her character and not foreshadowing anything. Great way to tell a story.

          The flashbacks with Kylo and Luke changing what happened throughout the story was a good story telling device. I forget what story type it is, but it see saws 3 times until we find out what really happens.

          I know it’s not a popular opinion. But I do enjoy this movie so much more than the prequels in terms of execution and emotional connection.

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      I see why they made it but really the ip must be toxic because there’s no reason they cant make these movies.

      • @SupraMario@lemmy.world
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        You take that back! It spawned andor which is also amazing. Rogue one proves they can actually make a gritty star wars film that shows a broken universe wouldn’t be all good vs evil bullshit.

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          I didn’t think I could dislike Rogue One until I watched Andor. After finishing Andor and then rewatching Rogue One, I felt disappointed that it wasn’t quite as good.

          Not that it means Rogue One is a bad Star Wars film, but that Andor is just that good. I don’t think they’ll ever make another piece of Star Wars media that can surpass it.

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          Rogue One is a shitfest for a variety of reasons:

          The original writer director didn’t start with a script, he started with a supercut of other sci fi films and used that to make a script.

          https://slate.com/culture/2017/01/rogue-one-s-editors-used-pieces-of-wargames-and-aliens-to-mock-up-the-film-s-first-draft.html

          Even when he had a script, he spent an hour a day shooting off script for things that looked cool, but served no purpose.

          So when the first trailers came out, they were full of gibberish footage that was never actually used in the movie.

          https://www.polygon.com/2017/1/6/14195898/rogue-one-star-wars-trailer-jyn-erson

          Then he got fired and a new writer director was brought in, one who said his super power was he never liked Star Wars.

          https://theplaylist.net/tony-gilroy-rogue-one-podcast-20180405/

          “Because that was my superpower. A) I don’t like ‘Star Wars’—not that I don’t like it, but I’ve never been interested in ‘Star Wars’ ever, so I had no reverence for it whatsoever, I was unafraid about that and they were in such a swamp… they were in so much, terrible, terrible trouble that all you could do was improve their position.”

          So you get conflicting scenes, one where Cassian has no trouble murdering an innocent informant, but not long after gets all sweaty and conflicted when it’s time to assassinate a legitimate military target.

          https://youtu.be/LORtuZ0ISF4#t=48s

          vs.

          https://youtu.be/eCN7zF1BMIQ

          No character growth, no arc, just in one scene he has no trouble murdering an innocent guy WHO HELPED HIM BTW, but later refuses to take out a military target HE WAS SUPPOSED to kill.

          To say nothing of crapping all over the iconic opening of Star Wars by having Vader watch the Death Star plans fly away, personally, with his own eyes.

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              I dunno, I think the best of the Disney versions is still Force Awakens. The big complaint is “Well, it’s just Star Wars…” which is true… but it’s Star Wars without George Lucas. They had to prove they could do what Lucas did without Lucas and I think they succeeded in that.

              Then Last Jedi shit the bed. Then Carrie Fisher died which painted them into a corner with Rise of Skywalker. Force Awakens was Han, Last Jedi was Luke, Rise of Skywalker was supposed to be Leia… 😢

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            No character growth, no arc, just in one scene he has no trouble murdering an innocent guy WHO HELPED HIM BTW, but later refuses to take out a military target HE WAS SUPPOSED to kill.

            Yeah, it’s almost like the target he was about to assassinate could be the only person in the galaxy who knows how to take out the weapon he just witnessed level a city.

            To say nothing of crapping all over the iconic opening of Star Wars by having Vader watch the Death Star plans fly away, personally, with his own eyes.

            Those two scenes line up perfectly and imo are quite satisfying when watching the two films back to back. In what way does Rogue One’s ending “crap all over” A New Hope’s opening?

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              In Star Wars, Vader interrogates Leia, he talks about the plans being transmitted, not that he saw them personally be stolen.

              He’s also ragged on by Motti for not having found the tapes when Rogue One puts him in the same hallway with them.

              Speaking of… he force grabs every one and every thing in that hallway except the ONE THING he’s there for. Vader is not that STUPID.

              The Death Star Plans have plot armor, they HAVE to get away, don’t put them in the same hallway as Vader and don’t make them a physical object that can be grabbed.

            • @bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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              about 2/3 of what they’re saying is about the production and trailers before the movie was released. Other critiques about no character growth for Andor, but not mentioning Jyn’s arc at all.

              Also Rogue One brought us Andor, so even if it was a terrible movie, it spawned some of the best TV in the last 5 years, which says a lot about the movie and the characters.

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                Also no character growth for Andor while also complaining that he kills a guy in cold blood but then doesn’t kill Galen later under orders. And then breaks orders again because he put his faith in Jyn and not the Rebels.

                Rogue One is a good movie and I don’t care about production issues. It made the Empire far more menacing than even the OT did. Peak Vader. Peak Death Star. Even peak Stormtroopers.

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                  Yeah I didn’t want to analyze that too much, but the circumstances were completely different. The first guy he had to kill for his own preservation. The second time he was under no threat and starting to defy orders and listening to Jyn. It’s almost like a nitpick for the sake of picking things apart.

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              Same. I got as far as “Yer a wizard rebel now!” and was like “Nope!” Took 3 full tries before I finished it.

              The Rebel Moon movies are better than Rogue One and that’s saying something.

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                The Rebel Moon movies are better than Rogue One

                Woah slow down there. I can understand not liking Rogue One, but no way the trash that is Rebel Moon is better.

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        I tried watching new star wars and they were all so boring. I remember from childhood pod racing and that red guy with double light sabers.

        I now see that people liked star wars for it’s story, but for me it was just a cool space fantasy. That nostalgia didn’t transfer for me.

        I don’t very well remember the plot of the first three of the new movies, but I remember being bored, they felt slow and there were no hooks to make me care. After watching the third movie I just said fuck it and gave up.

        I might try and watch the old movies as a grown up, but at this point I’d rather rewatch Shrek after work then gamble on a franchise I probably won’t like.

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    Gods of Egypt is tone deaf CGI bloated slop and I fucking love it. Just a fun movie for me.

    I know it’s utter garbage to most, not even fun bad. I’m just a total sucker for fantasy derived from Egyptian gods/lore no matter how cheesy.

    $140 million budget and just barely made it back at $150.6 million.

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    Ohh i forgot another one of my favorite. Ghost in the Shell live action. I love that movie because of Scarlett Johansson, but if you watch the original anime, everything just feels better, and the live action is simply unnecessary.

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      JP3, yes. I liked the original Jurassic World, but they’re getting a bit tiresome now. It’s clear it’s a money grab.

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      I bought it on DVD just because I didnt want to scare investors away from every trying the IP again…

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    Borderlands. How did they spend that much money and none of the decision makers stop and think “nope this is crap”

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      Still have to see it. I’m in no rush, but since I am a Borderlands fan, I have to know.

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          I’ve seen far worse movies, movies that are truly unwatchable.

          I know nothing about the source material and I get the impression that’s the difference here between those who think this is a terrible movie instead of just another mediocre comic book movie. As someone who had never read comics, they’re all equally meh to me but I wouldn’t call any of them unwatchable.

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            48 days ago

            Fair enough. It’s one of my favorite games, because I played it through with my best friend right before he passed away in an accident, so it’s really emotionally valuable to me. Seeing what they did with the movie was pretty offensive in that regard, to me.

          • Are you familiar with Edward 40-Hands?

            Participants have a 40oz of Steel Reserve (or similar) duct taped to each hand. You may not remove the bottles until both are empty. The tradition is to watch old kung fu movies but this movie is absolutely acceptable. I advise wearing gym shorts; you WILL need to piss before you are done.

            • LOL I can’t say if I have ever had more then a sip of a Steel Reserve. One of my best friends growing up developed a bad case of alcoholism and he drank those things religiously. I would rather just smoke some weed and get a little buzz then fucked up drunk like those are guaranteed to do !