wait, the steam browser is chromium? no way
How the fuck has everyone so easily allowed so few tech companies to dominate?
Have you tried developing your own web browser?
The Web has become so complex, you need a huge team of talented developers to keep up with it, and for that you need a lot of money.
How hard can’t it be just put scrum on GitHub and let it work from there
Strange that nobody’s doing that, then. Especially since so many people want more competition for Google.
That’s just late stage capitalism.
Do you just keep that on the clipboard?
Honestly my google auto-type keyboard suggests that any time I post.
No, that’s just people don’t want to pay for anything and expect everything to be free.
The harder and more complicated something is the bigger barrier to entry there is to competing against it.
When video games were simple and fit on a single floppy disk or tape - a single person could develop an entire commercially released game. John Romero could make Dangerous Dave in a week or two, by himself.
Now that games are like Grand Theft Auto V they require hundreds of millions of dollars to create with teams of hundreds of people over nearly a decade. The voice acting in motion capture alone cost many many times more than a game would cost to make in the '80s.
The same goes with web browsers. Chromium is open source and free, it works well, so why spend tens or hundreds of millions of dollars to make your own new thing?
What benefit did Microsoft get from spending all that money on EdgeHTML versus just using Chromium? None. That’s why they switched to Chromium.
Oh… so to answer your question no one is “allowing” a few tech companies to denominate, just the complexity and cost of creating new products leads to these natural monopolies sort of forming. You’re free to spend the tens of millions of dollars to make your own browser if you want to and break up this domination. I doubt you’ll do it you’ll probably just use Chromium.
And if you were to actually create an innovative or competing product, Google would just buy you out like Android, Waze, Nest, etc
Not on browsers, probably. It’s one of the areas where antitrust still has some echoes. They’ll probably pay you to stay afloat.
Tech giants are buying everyone left and right because people don’t want to pay for these innovative products. Imagine paying a monthly subscription for Waze! Who would do that? Literally no one. Innovative products can’t exist without paying customers.
Software development is very expensive. And everyone just wants free stuff. Imagine the outcry if Firefox would drop revenue from Google search and switched to a subscription model a-la Adobe! People would literally lose their minds and call Mozilla Nazis.
Robert Bork:
He also became an influential antitrust scholar, arguing that consumers often benefited from corporate mergers and that antitrust law should focus on consumer welfare rather than on ensuring competition.
…What the fuck?
Yeah, it’s fine if you drive all your competition out of business, as long as the consumer "isn’t harmed"TM . But, of course, how are you going to prove that the consumer isn’t harmed?
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Was IE for the longest time
Basically every in app browser is.
Chromium/Electron is just super easy to integrate. Afaik Mozilla wanted to make Firefox more easily embedable as well, but that project was killed.
Closest these days is an extension for Firefox that enable progressive web apps.
Not only the browser. The whole app was built with CEF (Chromium Embedded Framework) https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Chromium_Embedded_Framework
It used to be only the browser/store. Now it’s the whole app.
I’m watching The Spiffing Brit’s exploit live stream right now. Firefox cannot handle that. Edge can. On linux
interesting
Update: Alright. Fine! Its probably extension issue
You use Edge on linux?
Better than chrome on linux
What? It’s just a livestream.
Firefox Ram usage just kept going up during that stream for some reason. It was using 6GB of 8GB ram. Edge stayed at 2GB. The stream got boring after a while tho
One livestream shouldn’t be doing that. I think you got a messed up extension or something.
Its probably the emote extension. He has like 20k live viewers and no slow mode, all spamming emotes and random text
I just checked it out. Seems that The Spiffing Brit is trying to break youtube or something and is having people open as many tabs of his livestream as they can to get as many views as they can.
I just checked it out. And to test, I opened 15 tabs in firefox and refreshed. Just fine lol. Not sure what problem that person has besides maybe too many firefox extensions.
I did the same and RAM usage on went up 20% for me. Using flatpak Firefox if that makes a difference. It’s still responsive though as I type this comment.
Duck duck go browser is also very good.
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It breaks every site and is the bane of companies existence lol.
Huh? Why?
Because of all their “anti tracking” stuff just borks scripts that aren’t nefarious but necessary for sites to function. Its a pain when customers use it and think that our site is broken when it’s just duck duck go
Didn’t they allow Microsoft telemetry through the tracking protection since they rely on Microsoft for all sorts of stuff despite their “avoid big tech” advertising? There’s so many better options, like Librewolf, Mullvad, Orion, Mull, even Brave if you really want a Chromium browser.
Pretty sure that’s chromium too. I’d rather just use Chrome though. I’m pretty sure duck duck go sells user data. At least with Google they tell you what they use your data for instead of acting like they are saving the world.
Their entire business model is just reading Google’s TOS and finding some small detail to make a big deal out of that really means nothing.
Duckduckgo doesn’t have anywhere near the capacity to collect data that google does, and their ads are keyword based, rather than being influenced by other data. Their search engine is really the only thing I’d recommend using however since their add-on and browser don’t offer anything that others don’t.
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Steam is chromium, in every device/OS?
epiphany and falkon goes away…
Firefox died long ago.
It was an engine fight, and Mozilla decided not to participate.
From this band, I get more and more in love with Vivaldi, especially their Workspaces feature.
I tried FF the other day instead of Vivaldi and I was like, no scroll wheel to switch tabs? No quick commands? No workspaces? Ugh I am prepared to keep using a chromium engine rather than give up all the “power user” features. It’s just sooo good.
Been using gestures for so long I constantly catch myself using them in other apps where it doesn’t work and getting frustrated at myself.
I know, right?
I’m currently using both browsers, and I’ve been with FF for a very long time. But the things that come with Vivaldi from the very beginning make it my daily driver.
Yeah, I use Vivaldi at work. I love it.
It’s not on my personal devices, but if work is going to default to Chrome anyway, I may as well be using the best version of it.
I went whole hog. The sync features are great between computer and phone app (phone app is excellent!) and they actively disable all the terrible shit from chrome. It works with bing/chat gpt too which is nice. They have been very vocal against Google proposed changes and I’m confident they will work around them if at all possible. If not, hell yeah, I’m jumping ship, but I give Vivaldi a lot of credit for what they’ve done this far. I’m hanging in there for now.
Mozilla doesn’t make it as easy to use the Firefox / Gecko engine in other projects, which doesn’t help for adoption.
I’m way out of the loop, but is the issue that they actively make it difficult to use the rendering engine or is it that the cost to modularize it isn’t worth the payoff to Firefox itself? A subtle but important distinction IMO. I always felt it was the second, but maybe I was being dense?
Back in the days it was possible to use Firefox engine to create apps. It was called XUL. Heck, Firefox itself was just a XUL app! But then they decided it wasn’t worth it for whatever reason and now their engine is tightly integrated.
I believe it might be still possible with UXP - a hard fork made for Pale Moon project.
Pale Moon is based on a derivative of the Gecko rendering engine (Goanna) and builds on a hard fork of the Mozilla code (mozilla-central) called UXP, a XUL-focused application platform that provides the underpinnings of several XUL applications including Pale Moon. This means that the core rendering functions for Pale Moon may differ from Firefox (and other browsers) and websites may display slightly different in this browser.
They don’t try to make it difficult, but they make code changes that make it clear they have no concern for anyone who might be trying to use the engine anywhere other than in a retail build of Firefox, without providing things like deprecation warnings or upgrade paths.
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I’ve been using Bromite too.
Can anyone suggest a site to sideload firefox? Very unsure about what’s trustworthy any more.
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Thanks for the info.
Android, correct. And I avoid g! so I don’t have a g! play acct. I do have F-droid so I will check out those you suggest.
I really like Mull and it’s on FDroid I’m pretty sure. It’s a good Firefox fork.
I hate everything you said here.
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If you use Firefox nightly (and maybe some of the other beta branches too, I’m not sure), there’s a way to get any extension, they just might not work properly. I haven’t really had issues with nightly, despite it being such a bleeding-edge build - although I would recommend keeping a backup browser since sometimes it decides to just stop working
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You can install any extension you want on the Dev version and some forks like mull by setting a custom extension collection. It’s a bit of a pain but it works.
Firefox is kept alive by Google default search money AFAIK otherwise why don’t they sue google for showing different search results page in firefox
I don’t believe this has been the case for years?
It’s still the case, at least for Firefox on Android
Ah yeah, seems not in every country! Had to go through 2017 bloomberg articles to find out lol
They do have an extension that forces the new search results page, but I’ve noticed it freezes the browser if I tap on an image result, so I have it disabled.
I completely forgot I had added that extension (back when Google actually looked ugly on Firefox on Android without it) just disabled and oh my god not only does it not freeze it actually feels usable again (I hate the weird AI suggested tabs at the top in the chromium UI).
It’s sad. Google basically owns the internet
But… but… it’s an open-source…
It was a sad day when Opera dropped presto.
We wanted HTML as complex as Adobe Flash. When we got it, the standard became so complex no way smaller players that didn’t dedicate massive resources to keeping up could possibly keep up.
There was just no way to keep presto up to date with the ever evolving web without a massive new source of income for Opera.
What’s the source imagine from in this meme?
Thanks, is it from a movie?
Probably not, feel free to dig deeper if you wish.
This feels weird to say… I really think Microsoft should’ve stuck with trident / edgehtml.
It’s so sad that Presto didn’t get FOSSed.
Technically it already depended on plenty of FOSS technologies, like gstreamer etc.
We know this from the leak which allowed to compile a working browser.
If only it was legally released, it would still be alive, I’m sure of that - there were even patches for the leaked source adding functionality and fixing bugs.
