• @ThePac@lemmy.ml
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    2 years ago

    I don’t really know how people can expect YouTube to exist without some sort of income.

    The age of free content is coming to a close as VC funds dry up. Serving video is expensive.

    In reaction to this news from YouTube, I signed up for Premium. $12/mo for my main source of content? Easy decision.

    • Dizzy Devil Ducky
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      82 years ago

      Serving videos is expensive, but gøøgl€ could file for bankruptcy and still continue hosting yt for a long time. gøøgl€ is not some small company with limited funds and them not getting ad revenue from yt isn’t going to bankrupt them in any way.

      • @chiliedogg@lemmy.world
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        -52 years ago

        I can get get slapped in the face every day without dying, but that doesn’t mean I shouldn’t be upset or try to prevent it.

        If YouTube is losing money for Google, why should they accept that?

    • @JSens1998@lemmy.ml
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      12 years ago

      Everyone seems to forget one aspect… Google is constantly eating up your data, selling it to advertising companies and the what not. Now, last time I checked, Google owned YouTube. So, in my personal opinion, Google can have my data in exchange for no ads. Don’t get me wrong, i’ll still support my favorite creators through Patreon and all that… but screw google. I’m not buying premium when I’m forced to because of their greed.

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          Yeah, sure. Next you’re going to tell me all the countries in the world have settled their differences and the world is at peace. Bullshit bud, they without a doubt sell your personal info. “If a product is free, you’re the product”.

          Dipshit.

          • @KuroiKaze@lemmy.world
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            12 years ago

            Seriously think about it for a second. Why would they put themselves in a huge competitive disadvantage by not being the ones with the data? Any data Google collects for the most part is housed by them and they expose only a very, very tiny fraction to ad partners.

    • Ser Salty
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      92 years ago

      I had no problems back when it was one skippable ad for laundry detergent and a banner for a deal on Xbox games at an electronics store. But the ads have just gotten so scummy, with some just being actual scams, it’s become a matter of security and not having my brain rotted away by disgusting mobile ads full of diarrhea, piss, dead babies and foot fungus scraping. At this point Premium isn’t a nice to have ad-less alternative, it’s a protection racket.

      • @cubedsteaks@lemmy.today
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        12 years ago

        This is ad’s everywhere too. I was sitting in a dr’s office that had the radio on and there was an ad for some shit called cash app77. Like undoubtedly a scam and taking another company’s name to do so. It’s fucking wild out here.

      • @CrowAirbrush@lemm.ee
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        22 years ago

        I literally got an ad for (probably) some dating website, telling me to have some roadside anal with the girl pictured…this ad was on the youtube app, like what the actual fuck.

        I’ve seen more tame ads on sketchy porn sites.

        I got a government served ad on instagram of a photo with huge piles of viagra, telling me not to bring home those pills from vacation. I was at work trying to show a coworker some miniature a friend painted, needless to say i got a wtf face from my coworker and i reported the ad.

        Keep ads reasonable and the amount reasonable like it used to be and this issue would’ve never existed.

        • @Shush@reddthat.com
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          12 years ago

          Co-worker be like “you know those ads are targeted, right? Wanna tell me something?”.

          Awkward.

          • @CrowAirbrush@lemm.ee
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            12 years ago

            Exactly that, lol.

            I doubt the accuracy of ads a lot, i keep getting this polestar 2 ad assuming i can afford to buy a new car. I can’t even afford a shitbox and the running costs.

            Heck, that viagra thing was saying it’s illegal to import it (there’s no need btw you can easily get it off the web lol) as if i’ve ever been out the country.

            If they want targeted ads, give me ads for 50 cents milk and other cheap food from supermarket discounts.

    • Awoo [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      It has existed for 20 years just fine.

      You people leap to the defence of billionaires making even more money any chance you get. Gobbling up that boot.

      • @exi@feddit.de
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        72 years ago

        YouTube premium views pay creators a LOT more than ads. So if you care about supporting creators and the platform they run on, then premium is an easy choice.

        Additionally, most people spend a lot more time in YouTube than any other streaming site, so the cost makes sense given how fucking expensive video serving is.

        • @devils_advocate@lemmy.ml
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          On the other hand, YouTube is also supporting some content creators you hate…

          … But at least you don’t have to watch them.

          • YouTube is a business with a clearly-defined business model, precisely-tracked direct metrics, and automation up the wazoo. Not a government taking taxes and dealing with human elements for which there are very few direct metrics. They can pay creators based on watch hours or some other usage metric.

            • @devils_advocate@lemmy.ml
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              42 years ago

              What I mean is that paying for YouTube premium is a very indirect and inefficient way to support your preferred content creator.

              • @exi@feddit.de
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                -12 years ago

                But my preferred content creator could not exist without YouTube and YouTube shoulders the enormous expense of hosting videos. I don’t get why they should not get compensated for that as well.

                • @devils_advocate@lemmy.ml
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                  12 years ago

                  That’s an ok justification, but I thought you were buying YouTube premium to support your content creator, not to support YouTube. YouTube premium doesn’t support your content creator.

        • @grue@lemmy.ml
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          62 years ago

          If you care about supporting creators, donate to their patreon or buy merch or something. The idea that YouTube Premium needs to insert itself as a middleman for that purpose is nothing but a red herring.

          • @exi@feddit.de
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            -22 years ago

            My favorite creator absolutely could not exist without YouTube or any other content delivery platform for that matter. So why not pay for that?

    • @BCsven@lemmy.ca
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      132 years ago

      Sure, but it isn’t one ad anymore. it is two upfront, plus ads in the comment portion, plus random ads in between. The actual youtube app (without premium) is horrendous and I don’t blame people for using ad blocker or newpipe, vancetube etc

    • @grue@lemmy.ml
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      132 years ago

      Serving video is expensive.

      Only for copyright control freaks unwilling to use bittorrent-style multicast distribution. That’s a “them” problem, not an “us” problem.

      In reaction to this news from YouTube, I signed up for Premium. $12/mo for my main source of content? Easy decision.

      Congratulations on being a consumer removed, I guess?

      • UlyssesT [he/him]
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        72 years ago

        It checks out for a Tesla stan to be so shallow and empty inside that all they got is identity flair stickers from the numerous products they consume. yea

      • @exi@feddit.de
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        -12 years ago

        That’s a really bad take.

        Show me one small creator with the ability to serve just twenty 30-minute 1080p (not to mention 4k) videos in 15 different resolutions instantly to a random selection of people around the globe. BitTorrent style distribution works perfectly when you already have a large swarm of people interested in your stuff. For small creators it absolutely does not work. Who is going to peer with me? Joe Johnson watching my video on his phone on the toilet on the other side of the world? I guess every creator just needs to get his or her shit together and pay for a seedbox… Things YouTube gives you for free in MUCH better quality.

        Not to mention that discoverability outside of large platforms absolutely sucks ass and there is no viable alternative right now. I’m not saying this is an unsolvable problem, but it current is absolutely unsolved.

          • @exi@feddit.de
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            22 years ago

            I know it exists and it showcases my point very nicely.

            I randomly picked a fairly large instance, clicked on the top recommended video with 1.5k views.

            Waited for it to load on my phone for >30 seconds and then gave up.

            This is not an alternative for any serious content creator.

            It’s a start, but it’s still miles away from what content consumers expect and what YouTube offers.

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      My reaction to the news was to follow uBlock Origin discussions more closely so I can always have the latest workarounds pasted into my custom filters. $0 /mo to one of the wealthiest monopolies in tech? Easy decision.

      gigachad

    • @Aagje_D_Vogel@feddit.nl
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      12 years ago

      I have premium as well. What really bothers me though, is the fact that if you use the incognito mode, ads reappear.

  • @exododo@leminal.space
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    The illusion of infinite growth on “free use” ad based business dies when investment funds demand more benefits from former startups now turned into corporations whose only asset of value is the their users’ data. You are the product, so it’s time to squeeze you.

    I think such data is currently overvalued on a overgrown ad-targeting market with too many competitors, and adding more ads only devaluates each ad value further, because users’ consuming capacity also has a limit. So I see a severe correction coming. Another bubble burst, and another crisis inside the crisis that late capitalism itself is.

  • @Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml
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    As part of a general trend, yeah it looks that way. But, this is just YouTube. It’s a big part of the web, but it’s not the web, and definitely not the internet. It sounds like there’s already ways around it though so for the type of folks who would have ad blocked I don’t see a lot changing, which does make me wonder the point of this is though.

    • @RaoulDook@lemmy.world
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      Yeah, I’m not too worried about it. Youtube is not the only video site on the Internet, and if I have to pick between them and my adblockers, I’m keeping the adblockers.

      I’m running Pi-Hole, DNS block-lists on my firewall, Ublock in the browsers, Temporary Containers for every webpage, and other shit I don’t even remember probably. I couldn’t even turn all that off without significant effort.

  • @Phen@lemmy.eco.br
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    That’s one part of how the internet dies, there are others. For example: soon the vast majority of the content on the internet will have been created by bots (AI or not). Or even by malicious folks pushing narratives.

    TLDR: not only the internet is becoming more annoying to use it is also constantly becoming less useful with worse content replacing everything that was ever good

    And the problem with content created by bots is that it is usually made to not look like that was the case. Sometimes that’s not the problem like some random site with information about a video game can have all of its content generated automatically based on data extracted from that game. That is fine.

    But other cases, specially with AI content, can be much worse. There was a recent example where some site with history content had generated some pages using an AI and that AI created a page about Scimitars which included information taken from Dungeons and Dragons, but presented then as historic facts.

    And the main problem here is that the internet feeds on itself. Texts are copied from one site to another by non-AI bots. Some text created by AI in one site gets copied to multiple threads on reddit, hacker news, stack overflow, 4chan and all sorts of places. Places that are scanned by search engines and often picked as preferred search results by users.

    Then Google these days try everything to make a larger profit from you. That includes “stealing” content from inside websites to display on top of the search results page - so that you never click away from the Google site. In order to do that more efficiently, they give preference to sites that allow this behavior over sites with actual better search results. Try googling “country in Africa with the letter K”.

    So in the end all your search results will soon be stuff that was written by AI. And remember: AI doesn’t think. It won’t ever do. AI is just a robot role-playing as human.

    When you see a comedian doing a Stephen Hawking impression, you don’t expect them to publish scientific papers, in fact you don’t pay any attention to what they actually say, because you know it’ll either be rubbish or just a repeat of something that Hawking had said before. AI is the same thing. It’ll never be intelligent, it’ll only get better at imitating humans, by looking at what humans say. And with their content taking over the internet, it’ll soon be imitating itself.

    And the only memory of the golden years of the internet, will maybe be Wikipedia. Have you donated to them yet? Think about how many times you’ve used it and remember it has never shown an ad other than their pleas for donation. Please consider giving them a few bucks when you’ve some to spare.

  • Corgana
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    52 years ago

    Since when has it been anything BUT advertisements or paywalls?

  • Sky Cato
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    212 years ago

    I will continue to use ublock and let Google lose money in the process I don’t mind. In fact I’m all for it

  • @TheMadnessKing@lemdro.id
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    82 years ago

    Amn shit is hitting the fan. Google has been clamping down in ad blockers. First with Manifest v3, then the DRM shit, killing YT mods by making it mandatory to sign-in and more.

  • Programmer Belch
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    132 years ago

    It’s been ages since I have entered the youtube.com domain, I use the libredirect extension to go to invidious instances. Sometimes the instances are blocked and I have to try another one but its a small price to pay for internet freedom. Still, google is trying to sue invidious for using their API, which they don’t, they just scrape the website, but I would like to see the bullshit google comes out with.

    • @FierroGamer@sh.itjust.works
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      12 years ago

      Hey, congrats! Do you still watch user created video content? If so, where? I’m open to different platforms but I don’t usually watch the ones I know of.

  • @arf_arf@reddthat.com
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    62 years ago

    No one here considers that we might not need a “competitor” for YouTube at all. Videos have been a disaster for the web. Information that can easily be relayed and digested in a 1000-word article is instead stretched into a 30-40 minute video with ad breaks. The less aid about TikTok, Instagram, and other bullshit video platforms the best. We don’t need this shit. We need to go back to Web 1.0. Web as a means to share information and talk to people. There’s no room for ShitTube there.