Tesla will sue you for $50,000 if you try to resell your Cybertruck in the first year::Tesla may agree to buy the truck back at the original price minus “$0.25/mile driven” and any damages and repairs.
I recently saw one of these in the wild and they’re even more ridiculous looking in person. The photos don’t do it justice lol
I’ve seen one or two in Austin. I assumed it was to drum up interest. They certainly stand out.
As much as I dislike Musk, I think this is a right move, as scalpers became a real plague during Covid.
But I am genuinely curious if they will ever sell it outside the US. This design seems far too dangerous for pedestrians and I can’t believe that EU authorities would approve it. Aren’t car hoods supposed to be of a very soft aluminium which is supposed to soften slightly the impact on a pedestrian in case of an accident? And what about if this monster is involved in front collision with some small car, like Renault Twingo here? I guess the chance of survivability of the Twingo passengers would be near zero.
Plus correct me if I am wrong but what happens if you have a small accident? Are they going to charge you for the full cast? Why aren’t people more concerned about this? The repairability of this car looks terrible.
Surely scalping can be addressed without infringing in my right to do what I like with my own damn property. Why is it better to let Tesla sue consumers than to just… limit the number of trucks a person can buy? 🤔
No one is going to fucking scalp Cybertrucks lol
This policy exists because they expect a lot of people to be unhappy with their Cybertruck, is my guess.
Which sucks because I really wanted the aesthetic of this car to bring back more 80s-sci-fi to the vehicle market, as a lover of silly-looking vehicles.
Why yes, I too would buy a deLorian look-alike with a Mr Fusion prop on the back.
The dreeeam
Lol ferrari took away Steve Wyns Las Vegas dealership because he flipped his LaFerrari for an extra million. I will never not find that hillarious.
That’s a business relationship.
limit the number of trucks a person can buy?
Useless. Here we have nominal tickets for events and that does not solve the problem by a very long shot, I suppose it would be the same for cars.
Ticket scalpers are blowing up because of collusion by Ticketmaster. Tickets are also a virtual product. Surely we can be clever enough to limit the sale of physical goods the size of cars
How ? But even if you succeed, what is stopping me from buying 1 cybertruck at X and resell it at 3X the next day ? And other people to do the same ? We all buy 1 car after all.
I think that here there will not be a Ticketmaster scenario, but more a scenario where a number of Musk haters will buy a cybertruck to resell it at a premium to a number of Musk fanboys just because.
So limiting the sale of it to 1 per person don’t really solve anything.
Interesting questions; let’s see:
what is stopping me from buying 1 cybertruck at X and resell it at 3X the next day ? And other people to do the same ?
Nothing should stop you from doing that, or at least trying. You are one person with one car, so there will be other stock available at a lower price for others to buy if they want. The problem of scalping becomes an issue when one person can buy a large portion of the product & artificially control the supply. If everyone decides to buy 1 and then resell higher, nothing is stopping consumers from also buying their 1 and getting lower prices from the manufacturer.
a scenario where a number of Musk haters will buy a cybertruck to resell it at a premium to a number of Musk fanboys just because.
Cybertrucks are a large ($50k) investment, and as a physical good that’s also regulated through the DMV, they are a lot more work to resell. So in this scenario you think there is such a large number of Mush haters with both the disposable income & free time for resale that they eat up a significant portion of supply. AND that there is such a large amount of consumers with disposable income & desire for a truck that they would support such a resale market. If that ever becomes a reality then… Good for Tesla? Those"haters" would be significantly contributing to Tesla’s profit.
Also, here is an academic paper that looks at the effectiveness of US anti-scalping laws on ticket sales, and it concludes future policies should focus on acquisition, not resale.
Nothing should stop you from doing that, or at least trying. You are one person with one car, so there will be other stock available at a lower price for others to buy if they want. The problem of scalping becomes an issue when one person can buy a large portion of the product & artificially control the supply.
Or when a high enough number of people buy each one a small number of the few items available in a low supply to resell them. True, the item should be some sort of “status symbol” or necessary item for this scenario to work out. I’ ve seen it in more menial situations where just a couple of people scalped on a low supply needed items (at least until production has gone to capacity).
The cybertruck situation is different from the ticket situation, you cannot produce 50000 cybertruck and then sell them, you need the space to store them, and the production needs to go to capacity so it will start low anyway. That’s because it could be vulnerable to scalping, at the beginning you have a small number of items so you need a small number of people that are willing to try to buy to resell.
Cybertrucks are a large ($50k) investment, and as a physical good that’s also regulated through the DMV, they are a lot more work to resell. So in this scenario you think there is such a large number of Mush haters with both the disposable income & free time for resale that they eat up a significant portion of supply. AND that there is such a large amount of consumers with disposable income & desire for a truck that they would support such a resale market.
Since I am talking about haters and fanboys, I would not bet that they would act rationally. I would not exclude that there are people that hate Musk so much to pull out these kind of stunts to other people that love Musk so much to be the perfect target.
Hmm, one thing I’m not understanding is that in these scenarios it sounds like every truck made is going to a scalper, and the issue is that even with one per person, the number of scalpers equals the number of cars. But why would they get dibs? A lucky scalper can’t get first dibs and buy out the whole stock before others get a chance, because it’s 1 per person. The real question is what is the portion of scalpers vs long-term owners.
Let me know if you have better numbers, but this article from back in January suggested 10k cybertrucks to be filled in 2023. Let’s say there are 10k potential scalpers, and 1M potential long-term buyers. That doesn’t mean the 10k trucks will get scalped by the 10k scalpers, it means we would expect 100 to be (again, individually) scalped, and the other 9,900 trucks to go to long term buyers. Additionally, since those scalpers only have 1, they will be competing against each other on resale price.
Since I am talking about haters and fanboys, I would not bet that they would act rationally.
I think that’s an ok assumption, but the question is more about the number of people who would act so outrageously. It seems very odd to me that there would be so many people who hate Mush and are ok dropping $50k and have the bandwidth to resell, in such numbers that they significantly match or outnumber long-term buyers.
Doubt suing will do better
It’s in the terms and conditions when you buy the vehicle. I’d say that Tesla is within their rights. If you don’t like the terms don’t buy the car.
Terms and conditions have been voided before, including NDA clauses. It’s why they always have a severability clause, stating that if any parts of the T&C are found invalid, the rest of the T&C remain in place.
There’s no way this sticks
Imagine applying this argument to an employment contact. “Tesla’s contract says you don’t get bathroom breaks & have to work in unsafe conditions. If you don’t like it, don’t work there”. Clearly doesn’t hold water. In the US, we need stronger consumer protections - right to repair, right to be forgotten, and right to safely do what you like with your own property.
Terms and conditions that are illegal ate not valid and this goes against the first sale doctrine
Simply referring to terms and conditions when complaining about a company move is such a weak argument. Honestly half of the terms are void by European laws anyway.
In this specific instance we are talking about a luxury item that absolutely nobody needs. Anyone who would be buying this would be buying it out of choice. I think this is an instance where terms conditions set by the company of such a niche product is reasonably fair.
Flip it over and apply terms and conditions like this on mainstream consumer goods then we have a bigger problem. If this works I think you may find a lot of luxury car makers initially follow suit, you can bet that companies like BMW would absolutely love to take a cut of all second-hand sales.
It’s a slippery slope.
The majority of what you buy is by choice. Why is it ok to violate your rights as a consumer, as long as the product is expensive enough? Isn’t that the real slippery slope here? "Houses are luxury items that absolutely nobody needs- just rent an apartment. "
Doesn’t matter what kind of product it is.
ToS holds no weight in the EU.
If Elmo sues, he will just get denied. Because it is a garbage statement.
The lawsuits won’t succeed due to the first sales doctrine
Scalpers will find a way. Only normal buyers will be hurt by this move. Also car companies are putting in more and more proprietary stuff that only they can repair practically, and charge a fortune for it. Tesla is leading in that too afaik.
…I think this is a right move, as scalpers became a real plague during Covid.
Tesla have no right to sue somebody selling their own property. This is just another attack on the concept of personal ownership by corporations.
If the car is leased, fair enough, but the fact Musk thinks he can do this shows how all the power is with the wrong people.
If it’s leased, they can’t sell it anyways
It’s basically the Sun Crusher of cars
I don’t think anything about any car is designed to soften the blow for a pedestrian. They usually have a crumple zone to dissipate energy in a collision but that isn’t designed with pedestrians in mind. Also they would likely repair this like any other vehicle since the body is made up of several panels.
They absolutely design cars with some pedestrian safety in mind. That’s why hood ornaments went away and bumpers moved away from solid steel.
I don’t remember the exact numbers, but they have a metric along the lines of “X% of pedestrians survive impacts up to Y speed” that they need to meet.
I can’t find this rating anywhere. It was proposed this year but that’s all I can find.
Yeah, I’d love to see the cars safety certificate.
I expect Cybertruck will sell in places with a big truck culture. The US, Canada and Australia probably I think they will sell terribly in Europe where trucks are generally quite rare and disliked because they’re not practical on public roads. I also foresee that the EU might get pissed off with Tesla’s laissez faire attitude to safety critical stuff like - “unbreakable” glass, door releases, position of indicators, pedestrian safety and force them to change design to comply with more stringent regs.
I don’t see this being very popular in Australia. It misses the mark for why people buy a Ute or dual cab here.
Maybe it’ll stop scalpers. More likely it has made the scalper’s market at least 50k pricier to offset Tesla’s desire to double dip on these trucks
What is this, a dog rescue?
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Forget the obvious bullshit that is being unable to sell it. What’s this about autopilot/FSD not being transferable?
Who the hell would buy this monstrosity of a truck. Be sure not to buy FSD since it will be a lost cost and never recouped for a capability that really doesn’t work yet. $12,000 down the drain.
Who would buy it? The same type of people buying new BMWs. We all hate them, but they sell like crazy.
If you pre ordered it, you locked in the fsd price at the time which was 7k I believe.
If you add FSD to a trade in service, you’ll get 2-3000 back.
So it’s not as terrible a deal as buying it at full price right now where its unquestionably not worth it.
But don’t expect anything beyond level 2 for the lifetime of the vehicle.
I mean that is slightly better. Still a waste of money. Get enhanced autopilot and leave it there.
You wouldn’t preorder a car.
Or what was the saying again…
Reminds me of the you wouldn’t download a car.
But maybe with this polygon count its possible
I can’t wait to make fun of one of these in the wild. What a stupid, ugly vehicle.
are we doing the jerk off motion? I think it’d be pretty neat if everywhere you drove one of these people did the jerk off motion at you
You need more meaningful things going on in your life.
Hey, now… Don’t go tearing on people’s hobbies!
I actually have developed a language of pure meaning, it’s communicated entirely via the jerk off motion
They are usually seen grazing together with tech bros
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This is great: I was so frustrated by lack of availability for XBox, from all the scalpers. Same with tickets to pretty much everything. Same with Raspberry Pi. Look at how the eEVs like the Hummer and Lightning were hurt by both dealers and scalpers making vehicles hard to get and excessively priced
Scalping works great for those lower ticket items with tiny profit margins and high demand. Idk if it’s something cybertruck needs to worry about being none of those things.
Apparently it was a problem when previous Tesla models released
That was when everyone thought Elon actually had a brain
The best solution to this problem is not to buy one in the first place.
what game is this
Looks like someone modded Gran Turismo 2 and is playing on an emulator on a 8-year old PC.
The driver’s seat is placed several meters below the vehicle, causing the pioneer to clip through the ground.
Hahahahhahaaa!
Maybe trying to discourage reselling market because of high demand and low supply. Similar to graphics cards, except nvidia does not do anything
Yeah if Nvidia did this It would actually be amazing
Something on the PS1
Twisted Metal 2023
What is Tesla?
So you don’t own the thing you brought, you’re going to be the biggest mug buying this
I mean, if assholes can buy and flip houses, I should be able to buy and flip my poorly built cyber truck.
They just keep giving me more and more reasons not to buy a vehicle from Tesla.
But if you resell it to some chump for enough money then that is just Tesla taking their cut of the resale.
It is bizarre how much of a comic book villain Musk has turned in to.
What do you mean “Turned into” ?
There was a time when he was like “watch this, I’m going to make the entire auto industry go electric to help save the planet.”
And he has pretty much done that. Great for him. But yeah other shit like his antisemitism and childish tweet wars have dialed up in recent years. Now he’s ruining Twitter itself because he doesn’t believe in content moderation or rules of engagement in a forum. Unless it’s tweeting already-public data about his plane transponder! Oh then it’s wrong! His pro-Texas bullshit and his anti-union bullshit has gotten stronger and stronger. He’s posting pictures of his gun now.
Yeah. The guy has changed. Maybe this is always who he was going to be. Maybe this was always who he wanted to be. But he wasn’t necessarily this guy, always, outwardly.
He probably always was a bit of a right-wing loon, but everything about him over the last few years screams “cry for help”.
If he were a normal pleb, he’d have probably lost his job, or had a friend tell him that he needs to seek professional help. Because he’s a billionaire, I assume people just say he’s “eccentric” and laugh while people push him to do more crazy shit.
He doesn’t realise it, but people are laughing at him, not with him. He’s a performing monkey for the apathetic, and aspirational for the morally questionable.
I think he has an inkling of that now. Since he got booed off stage multiple times and locked himself in isolation for a while.
It was always there. He just has the wealth not to care what anyone thinks now.
I don’t think any amount of money replaces human interaction, and because of his status, his perception of himself is probably so fucked up that I’d be shocked if he did anything but care.
I don’t want to infantise Musk, nor do I want to excuse what a total cunt he is, but if he were a child you’d basically call it a cry for attention or help. The primary difference between us and him is he can mask whatever mental health issues he’s got with money and social media…
He has the wealth, but not the ego.
Apparently some people are okay with extreme racism so long as you convert it into money first.
I think the correct phrasing should be “turned out to be”
