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They really did did Kill millions of people to get spices and then decide they didn’t like any of them.
I’m jealous of the funnt spices they have now. 4-MMC
I’m British. Don’t put the Dutch in the same group as us. Our local ‘cuisine’ truly is a crime to food.
I’m Dutch, feel free to put us in the same group. They way we drown our potatoes in gravy absolutely is a crime against food.
Except it isn’t though. You have shitty fast food like the rest of the world, but we also have Michelin star restaurants too. This is just yet another excuse for people to be xenophobic to the British.
And there are loads of excuses already. No need to manufacture an extra one! I wonder how many Michelin star restaurants in the UK claim to serve traditional British food though.
But genuinely, does the rest of the world dislike fish and chips, roast dinners, fried breakfasts, and pies? I know the stereotype has been around forever but I always had trouble believing that most non British people wouldn’t really like those foods.
No, it isn’t. I have dined exceptionally well in the UK. Our Christmas dinner is based on an a recipe from an English cook. We have a Scottish cafe/diner in town which serves excellent food.
OK, I’ve dined horribly, too, but it is definitely not the norm - I made the mistake of ordering half a chicken in a fish and chips shop. My recommendation: Don’t repeat my mistake.
True, my dad calls food “spicy” and breaks out in a sweat when I put black pepper on.
Black pepper is a spice, over using it can make things spicy
I recently discovered #16 black pepper. It truly can make things spicey. But table ground? Ha!
I know someone allergic to capsaicin. I’ve seen him eat the mildest salsa and turn red. He also sweats to black pepper. Maybe your father has a similar allergy.
What is “#16 black pepper?” Isn’t that just a grind size?
I didn’t know people used preground at home. Not any cheaper and tastes like actual dust. With a regular old pepper mill you can change that grind size easily. And no matter the grind size it doesn’t have the ability to make food “spicy” as in “hot.”
You had access to the entire spice trade, WHY DIDNT YOU USE IT???
Never been to a British supermarket
You can buy paprika at Tescos but British food is still shit.
Capitalism at its best, spices are expensive for canned food so can’t compete, and theres no demand for spices in ready-made food
Yanks on their way to just cover bland, mass produced shite in butter and salt so they can proclaim it “the gradest food in the wuuuurld”
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To that I say ‘what American food?’
Because there’s a massive difference in quality between a Big Mac and a Philly Cheesesteak
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I don’t think Americans claim we have the greatest food in the world lol Cheap? Yes. Fast? Yes. BBQ? Yes!
Yeah we just kind of took food from other countries and made it worse lol
We made it cheap and fast and worse lol
Sure, it was for spices, definitely not for money.
It was a different time. We don’t do that anymore!
You should read some educational books, maybe try some Marx ones before you grow up some hair
It’s good to read Marx books, but history books are better. That way you can see examples of how socialism always fails due to human corruption.
Isn’t Marx the one that never worked nor had any money his entire life? Yup!
Don’t get high off your own supply… Still true, we import and export more as we consume.
But those trade relationships are definitely equitable these days, right?
…right??
Like, we bought and sold spice… For money.
People obviously wanted spice and paid for it.
That’s how trade and industry work. We didn’t just bring back exotic rocks.
Fucks me up as a German, too. Globalization gave us all kinds of tasty spices, but go to any public event and you’d be convinced our greatest culinary achievement is sausage with tomato ketchup and curry powder.
Curry, you said it yourself, a very exotic spice mix!
Was möchten Sie denn sonst noch Sie Schnösel?
Also wenn du mich so fragst, hätte ich gerne so Döner-style Fladenbrot mit Kümmel, Schwarzkümmel und Senfkörnern im Teig. Das dann von innen bestrichen mit etwas Erdnussmus. Dann das übliche Döner-Grünzeug rein, aber kurz scharf in einem Wok angebraten und in Soja-Sauce getaucht. Darüber frisch gemalener bunter Pfeffer und ein guter Esslöffel kaltgepresstes Rapsöl. Und dann Champignons geschnetzelt + ordentlich angebraten und mit Gyros-Gewürzen mariniert noch darin einbetten.
Ich denke, das sollte man gut in so einem Imbisswagen zubereiten können. 🙃
Also habe jetzt natürlich übertrieben. Keine Ahnung, ob das noch gut ist. Aber habe tatsächlich schonmal so Champignon-Geschnetzeltes in einem Fladenbrot gemacht und das war extrem geil. Seither hätte ich tatsächlich gerne mal einen vollwertigen Döner damit…
Mehr grün versiffte Bourgeoisie konntest du jetzt nicht in einen Beitrag packen, wie?
(Klingt köstlich)
Also da greife ich lieber zur Currywurst
British invention anyway. Curry powder from the British occupying forces in Berlin.
Gern gesehen.
But “Currywurst” (curry sausage) was invented in Berlin. Indian wouldn’t use curry powder without vegetables in this way, or currypower at all (correct me if I’m wrong)
I’m no expert either, but yeah, I believe the lazy method of making the curry dish (Indian, Thai etc.) is to use curry paste. Our curry powder barely resembles the taste of the curry dish. In particular, it’s lacking tons of chili. 🫠
I was once explained that curry in the Indian sense is a rice vegetable dish with a lot of spices. To make it easier for the Brits, the powder was developed so that you don’t need all the fresh spices.
Curry in India is usually a side-dish served with rice or chapathi (flatbread). It contains a lot of vegetables, various herbs and spices, and optionally fish or meat. But the rice itself is not a part of the curry. Also we do use curry powder, mainly when we don’t have time or space to mix the spices properly.
Thanks!
Did you read the entire sentence “the British occupying forces in Berlin”
British. In Berlin.
Who do you think had lots of curry powder?
Curry powder is a British invention, Currywurst is German, only possible with the British but still a German invention
As an American, going to any German-themed public event (read: Oktoberfest and uhh… that’s about it) convinces me that your greatest culinary achievement is sausage with mustard and sauerkraut. Not too shabby, TBH.
I don’t know, if it’s more popular in other regions of Germany, but I’ve only had plain sauerkraut once in my life. 🙃
Only real dish involving sauerkraut around here is Krautschupfnudeln:
And well, by roasting the sauerkraut, it caramelizes a little bit and some of the vinegar dissipates, so it doesn’t actually taste as sauer anymore.
we also had schupfnudeln with sauerkraut, but with chopped bacon added.
asside from that, i also know mashed potatos with kassler (cured pork),
Leberwurst(loose sausage that is usualy used as a spread)
and blutwurst(blood sausage)
boiled in sauerkraut, as a Christmas classic.(both sausages were loose and squeezed out of the casing)
i also remember grandpa snacking on cold raw plain sauerkraut for dinner.
but he was the only person i know that ate it like that.but i dont remember any other dishes ive eaten with sauerkraut in it.
no, i do that too, but grandpa is where i picked the habit up from. it’s crunchy tasty homemade sauerkraut though, not that store-bought shit.
i mean the good stuff is not typically served at these events. I’m thinking roulade and gulash that need to simmer for multiple hours.
Also in central Europe it is difficult to consider foods distinct to one country. Most of Polish, Czech and German cuisine overlap a lot.
Well, yeah, to some degree these are just very easy to prepare. To some degree, they’re just the lowest common denominator, though, which is what I’m mainly annoyed by. Lots of these simpler foods could be easily improved by adding some spices, or we could even adopt some of the many street foods in Eastern Asia, to bring in more variety…
I agree there. German food is very…white. That is simply the best descriptor.
You mean like beige in appearance or…
it’s not. you’ve met bad cooks.
Dutch and British food isn’t bad, unless your a yank that only eats things pumped full of sugar.
dutch and british food is dogshit lol. how many italian restaurants are there in the UK vs. how many british restaurants are there in italy?
Death to America
You mean you don’t want your pickled eggs served by blackface Santa? smdutchh
Google “Stargazy pie”
Google “Jellied eels”
Google “mushy peas over chips”
don’t make me bring up the mountain of grease-soaked fried foods that brits find acceptable as a meal. even as an american, i haven’t seen so much fried food in one place. and i’ve been to the southern united states many times.
Fat is where the flavour is.
I also made Puri today, and it turns out deep frying bread makes it taste better.
No we asked mainland Europe and they agreed.
What do you think tea is made of?
And let’s be real, the Brits gave up their own food in favor of Indian food. They love that Tikka masala.
If we’re to insist on it being a specific country’s food, it really should be Indian no? It was invented by Indian diaspora in the UK as (IIRC) a take on traditional Indian food using ingredients that are easier to obtain in the UK.
IMO saying tikka masala is British food is like saying General Tso’s Chicken, which was invented by Chinese diaspora in the US for similar reasons, is somehow American food. I don’t think the country it was invented in can really claim credit in either case.
Tikka Masala is an Indian-Inspired dish which was invented in the UK by people with Indian cultural heritage. That’s about as concise a description as you can get without running into difficulties of definition - there’s no consistent way of defining what “being a dish” means without running into contradictions.
In fact General Tso’s is the perfect counter-example: Multiple Chinese people have told me they enthusiastically disown General Tso’s Chicken and explicitly call it American food. So if we say “a dish belongs to a country if it’s invented there”, then Tikka Masala is British (which I agree “feels” wrong); but if we say “a dish belongs to a country if it was inspired by the cuisine of that country”, then General Tso’s is Chinese, which, apparently not!
And that’s without even considering the question of how far “back” you should go with inspiration - what if a dish was inspired by how the Indians used food they got from the Persians who traded it with the Chinese - is it Indian food or Chinese food? (Idk if that’s historically nonsense, but you get my point) Why is the most-recent ancestor more important than the environment of creation?
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I respectfully disagree with one major caveat. I’ll get that out of the way first; I think there should be a name for these foods that recognize the creators (e.g. Italian American food is American food that comes from Italian immigrants). We’ve traditionally been bad at giving credit or, worse, using names to mark a cuisine as “other” and weird.
The thing is that there really isn’t a food of a place. People use ingredients that are available and use techniques from the people around them. When cultures interact, they create remixes of cuisine that take unfamiliar ingredients and techniques and create something new.
Let me use the food of my own home, New Mexico, as an example. The food of the region is a mixture of Spanish colonizers, later Mexican immigrants, and Native American foods using a crazy combination of techniques and ingredients from all three. It isn’t Spanish food. It isn’t Mexican food. It isn’t Native American food. It is New Mexican food, a thing that arose from a place and its history. Now, with Asian immigrants moving in, the food has started to incorporate stuff from those cultures too.
Is deep dish pizza considered American, Italian, or culinary cancer?
Definitely Not Italian
At least some Dutch food integrated the spices (Speculaas), the Brits have no excuse
TBF to the Dutch, the regular food they serve you at a restaurant nowadays beats the USA by a mile.
That’s a low bar.
Legitimately, though: I listened to my sister tell her 4-year about “yummy spices” at Thanksgiving. The example she used was “like salt!” I was horrified.
She also made & brought the absolute worst green bean casserole I have ever tasted in my life. It was like wet, crunchy green beans covered in French-fried onions (which came from a can, which is why it’s pretty much the only thing she got right).
She used “no added salt/sodium” cream-of-mushroom soup, the green beans, and the canned fried onions, and added nothing else.
I love green bean casserole, as it’s one of my favorite Thanksgiving foods. Even offered to make it for everyone this year! But she insisted that she wanted to do it.
The only thing that was salty this Thanksgiving was me.
Right, how the fuck can onions be
french fried
and what the fuck kind of heathen buys fried onions in a can?!?!??!
Man… idk… it was all kinds of fucked up.
they’re basically onion rings cooled and sealed in a airtight container, https://www.amazon.com/Frenchs-French-Onions-Original-2-8-Ounce/dp/B000KOQDJI
she used was “like salt!”
Japanese?
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Is this some weird stereotype that I’ve been privileged to never hear before?
Actually, don’t answer that. I just want to live in blissful ignorance.
Salt is just a major part of their cuisine/flavouring
It’s not exclusive to Japan if you’re worried about stereotypes but they tend to celebrate it more than other countries that look to burn your mouth off
What about Dutch pancakes? Your choice of toppings, covered in syrup. Divine.
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Sounds nice. What kind of syrup do you use for the bacon ;)
In Spain we have a recipe, not with syrup, but with dates. We wrap dates with bacon and fry them. Try it, it’s delicious. https://spanishsabores.com/bacon-wrapped-dates-recipe/
