Discord users are cancelling their Nitro after new mobile layout update::undefined
Imagine paying for Discord in the first place
I don’t pay for Nitro but I don’t have a problem for people that do. Servers aren’t free so it’s that or ads.
Wrong. They sell user data.
If you really believe that you should sue them and become a millionaire because their Privacy Policy explicitly states it doesn’t
I pay when it’s half off, mostly for streaming quality. Their full price is kind of insane.
I swear Lemmy is against paying for anything. So many freeloaders in this world.
No kidding. In a nutshell:
“Big social media bad for stalking the internet for money!”
simultaneously with
“How dare a mid-sized outfit have a voluntary paid tier!”
How dare a mid-sized outfit have a voluntary paid tier!
That’s not what they said. They said it wasn’t worth the price, not that there’s anything wrong with it existing.
Take a moment and read the comment that I’m replying to.
So many freeloaders in this world.
Poor people crushed by insane cost of living and stagnant wage growth who can’t afford spending hundreds of dollars in subscriptions for bullshit, you mean.
Yea it makes sense in some cases
Most people can still use Discord for day to day stuff without ads. The extra features are mostly cosmetic, or things like better quality video/audio, which comes with increased load
Data tracking is probably still happening though
Ohh yes absolutely. Disco is a privacy nightmare.
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MSN had animated emotes for free like two whole decades ago. MSN had unlimited size file transfers two decades ago, I’ve sent entire games to my friends on MSN. IRC networks haven’t really starved for cash either.
I pay for YouTube Premium since it came out, Netflix, indirectly I’m paying for my emails, matrix, even lemmy.
With Discord, all your money gives you is… emotes and further vendor lock yourself into a proprietary Chinese company and looking good to toxic gamers by flexing those emotes and server boosters.
MSN had animated emotes for free like two whole decades ago
And got discontinued one decade ago because it didn’t have a viable business model. Discord is hoping to make a profit by charging for mostly frivolous premium features, which is one of the least evil business models I’ve seen in a while.
Yep. Don’t pay? You aren’t really giving up any actual functionality, just some fun things that don’t have much of any impact on the functionality
Give it time. We all know why we’re here on Lemmy.
proprietary Chinese company
Gonna need a citation for this. Pretty sure they’re a privately-held US company.
Technically Tencent was part of one of their most recent funding rounds but AFAIK they are far from a majority stakeholder, so it’s an incorrect claim.
The unlimited file size I can understand not allowing now. Userbase and file size is much bigger although storage prices are probably on par still.
They’ve dodged an acquisition by Microsoft, provide a fairly reliable service, and don’t completely gimp a free tier.
Is this really the company you want to lead a crusade against for having a paid subscription tier?
The paid tier just gives you animated emoji, frilly profile pictures, and 1080p streaming (while the free 720p level is still very decent).
It’s such a useless paid tier that it’s practically no worse than asking for donations (even though they’re a for-profit business). It’s a good thing they don’t make a shitty experience on the free tier as many other companies have been doing to recoup money.
They rank pretty low on the list of “tech/gaming companies who’ve fucked their user base”
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Yeah exactly. I don’t pay for it because I don’t think what they offer is worth paying for. But I do use the free tier because it’s a pretty good service and it’s where people are. They haven’t done anything near as bad as Twitter or Reddit have this year.
If other people are willing to pay for the cosmetics, I say let them. If the service is able to be profitable that way, all the better.
I mostly pay to support them, and I get a few fun but completely unnecessary perks for it…
Lemmy and Reddit users are always simultaneously saying ‘pay people a living wage!’ while also saying ‘no ads, and make it free forever’.
I don’t really get this take. If you don’t like Discord Nitro, simply don’t buy it. If you enjoy the features Nitro adds and don’t mind paying the monthly fee, then buy it. I don’t really understand what shaming people who pay for Nitro accomplishes.
I fucking hate UI changes
All of them?
All of them
What kind of brain rot do you have where taking a few moments to re-figure out how to do things again is too much for you. Ever consider that maybe UI changes are to make things more accessible as well?
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Discord design team has been utterly useless since they changed to the dark theme being the default in like 2016
they just tried to justify their overstay and over-payment by changing shit for the sake of changing it
if people werent lazy such lazy apathetic blobs i could have left the platform years ago.
I managed to get barely a hundred people to switch from a 3k server and after a couple of weeks most stopped talking altogether, internet communication sucks man.
I dont understand the outrage. It’s slightly different, oh no. Back in my day, we used a shitty bright white Windows 95 style UI voice chat program called Ventrilo, and WE LIKED IT.
We had ICQ by the time I was 16 or so…
Good old Vent, lots of great memories there
It’s not about the DM button being moved, it’s about all the UX they broke in halves. They changed how swipe works, they changed how the DM list works, they changed how search works, none in a good way.
For a lot of “power users”, changing how swiping acts goes in direct opposition to the muscle memory, so that’s annoying. Some functionality is just gone or is made much worse, like no longer seeing images in search and no longer having autocomplete for the filter terms there. You can no longer look at the DM list and then go back to active DM because swiping there was turned into a dumb back button replacement.
And above all, this is just a canary in the coal mine moment - they do not care about their current app, they will do whatever they like and people are understandably uncomfortable with that.
Updated today, don’t see a difference.
the change was apparently reverted
The Articlea does a really bad job at explaining it, but apparently the server llist was made to be horizontal instead of vertical
Ah, that reverting makes sense. I had the new UI for months, now all of a sudden I have the old one again.
Hasn’t the server list always been vertical?
Bad wording on my side. Yes, it was vertical -> horizontal -> vertical
Personally, I think the update is a genuine improvement. Everything is more intuitive, and labels for the UI was very much needed.
Yeah, it finally feels like a mobile app that you can use without having to know the layout of the desktop version first. A friend of mine that never used the desktop app really struggled with basic tasks on the old mobile app.
Yes, it finally makes some goddamn sense. It’s still awful, but I find it genuinely easier to find the things I want.
I dislike a couple things – swipe to reply in general, hiding the server member list within search, and the way they laid out the new tab that combined DMs and friends list. Making the friends list horizontal profile pictures to scroll through is just annoying. Other than that it’s fine.
Yeah, same. I didn’t even touch the friends tab at all, so having it as DMs works better for my purposes. But Discord is trying to be the app for so many purposes I’m not surprised people are upset by a major UI change and having it be different to the desktop layout.
works better for my purposes
For yours, not others. That’s kind of the crux of the issue with most UI changes nowadays. They’re made for the “average user” and the average user has the most basic needs, utilizes few advanced options, and takes advantage of the least functions. They don’t even glance at the settings menu.
And when your primary goal developing software is to serve that audience, you will end up inevitably prioritizing aesthetic over functionality over time, until you’ve got…well, until you’ve got the reddit mobile app.
“Look pretty, do less”
And every time you do that, you’re pissing off your power users a little more.
As with most issues with UI changes, they could be solved by giving the user options to customize their experience to their needs, but the idea of customizable UI is verboten nowadays for consumer apps.
Source: like 7 people on
twitterXYe, but it’s significant since that’s 80% of the Nitro subscribers
Make it 70. I am a Nitro sub actually make it 40 I have 3 other friends that are as well. Well now technically 30 because I have an additional friend in Sweden who pays for it. I have fiber my friends and I stream games the higher streaming quality is worth it. I also use Vencord to add some additional features.
More people pay for things that I think are given credit for. I don’t mind spending money on a product I enjoy with my friends.
While I agree that you should buy the things you enjoy to keep them around, throwing money at every service and application on your computer just because you use them often is exactly why everything turns to shit. Subscriptions for everything. You will own nothing, and you will like it.
I would say of the services to give money to, Discord is on the lesser evil side.
Sure, they lock a bunch of stuff behind Nitro, but they’re at least only giving people ads for their own stuff and not scams or dong pills. Because if nobody paid for anything, that money would have to come from somewhere.
Discord is also extremely data intrusive and retains the right to commercially process anything you write, post or say on there. By using it we already pay with our data, nitro is just extra skimming. I will cede that they have avoided ads for non discord related stuff, which is at least something.
Running all of the web services at scale takes a chunk of money. Even Matrix has a paid tier to cover the costs of running the servers for the paying customers. The free tier performs as expected for being free and not ad supported. It’s not extra skimming if I end up with fewer annoying things in my face and some neat tricks to use when communicating with my friends.
Giving up those rights for anything your input into a commercial Internet service is fairly standard. All that AI data came from somewhere. Not saying it’s a good thing, just that it’s not atypical.
I’m glad I can use a custom client on Android.
Which?
Aliucord since it’s not using react native and supports plugins
aliucord user 🤝🤝🤝
One Google search on Dextero and I will pass one using it as a source of information.
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It already took too long to go to DMs from the base screen. They really need the ability to have a favorite list that includes both.
Actually black theme already won me over
What I hate is the new button art or icon style or whatever, it’s more bubbly and less readable at a glance now.
Is it bad if I liked the change? I don’t use discord too much though
No. Like what you want regardless of what the crowd says.
Odd, I was pretty happy when I got the update. I always thought it was odd that servers and PMs were mixed somewhat in the UI, and hard to distinguish between.
People just don’t like things being different than they were ig.
Or is there another change I didn’t notice that had people bothered?
Been a while since I used the new thing, immediately hated it. All on mobile.
First of a, the bottom scroll thing on my phone to select a server or whatever it was just ain’t it. I didn’t use it much, but it seemed extremely annoying to move between dm and servers, especially if they weren’t the top ones. You can get lists and such by swiping.
Second was that server channels turned into a huge mess. Showing the last message makes absolutely no sense on any server I use. Especially on bigger game server like destiny group finding one’s already long lists turned into miles long lists. Absolutely unusable. I need things compact and clean personally, having the channels big and wide wastes so much space, and again long lists.
Being in a server hides any notifications and dms too.
Everything that was close at hand before is now far away. And that sucks for me.
I don’t dislike all the changes but the removal of the left swipe gesture to access current channel information and pinned message is a huge negative change to me.
I agree, this throws me off more than anything else with the changes.
Oh OK, I guess this seals it, I don’t have whatever new version people are complaining about, left swipe still works for me. I was reading through the posts trying to figured out what changed, and none of it sounded familiar. I got a discord patch yesterday, but maybe the fold phones don’t have the same version as bar phones do.
Edit: Ah, if I close discord fully and open it on the little outside screen instead, I get the new version. That is definitely too many changes to make at once. Weird that I just have both versions.
Before it was better because all of the messages were in one place.
I mostly use discord for dms and now for some reason I have to switch to a different tab to access them, it’s annoying and unnecessary.
App is also slower now.
I’m not sure anyone is complaining specifically about the DM button, that’s the one change that’s probably good? Like it doesn’t do much for me, and I wouldn’t care if they didn’t also change how the DM window works. Or how the swiping works in the server.
“PMs and servers were hard to distinguish with”
Uh, no they weren’t.
The two big problems for me are (1) increased slowness and lag, and (2) phantom notifications (a red 10 dot in the bottom notifications but I click in and see that it’s empty)
Having used it a bit more, I can definitely agree on the lag. Crazy bad.
