Smartphone manufacturers still want to make foldables a thing::Foldables are barely 1% of the market, but that’s not stopping anyone but Apple.
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Anyone who is interested in a foldable. Check eBay or Swappa. I was really surprised to find them 2nd hand for like 600-800. Which is crazy considering how much they sell for new.
I love the foldable idea, but it’s well beyond what I’m willing to pay for the novelty.
as with all technology though, as they become more accessible with newer models being made and other companies making foldables, the price for the same kind of quality product we have today will inevitably be less in the future.
this is already happening with cpu performance, display quality, etc… it’s finally very affordable to get a 120 hz phone with a fantastic display and snappy processor, specifically thinking of something like the Galaxy A54 or Pixel 8 (on a sale)
a general rule i use regarding technology purchasing is that newest featured top of the line products are best left to rich people who can afford it, as badly as i might want it.
this goes for cars, phones, etc… one benefit to this is that it gives the product time to become not just more affordable, but better quality as well.
the earliest foldables cracked at their fold points, but Samsungs newest fold phone survived JerryRigEverythings bend test which is impressive.
in a few more years, this quality will surely be available at sub 1000 dollar prices, containing the most modern hardware which will be even better than is available now.
Same! I had the LG v60 dual screen case, and loved it. Thats the farthest I’m willing to go, though. It was unwieldy, and almost impossible to use a popsocket with, no way to use a wallet case, et cetera. It’s not worth that price tag for less options just for the occasional use of a bigger screen.
Now, foldable tablet? That’s something I’d be down for (in theory. I am poor.). Closes up small enough for a pocket, folds out when you use it. Only screen on one side, so it can tossed in a bag without worrying about it, because it’s closed up and the screen is protected.
My galaxy fold is 100% a foldable tablet with a pen. When I travel for work, I’ve stopped bringing my laptop. Just the fold, Bluetooth keyboard, and mouse. It’s amazing
So…a touchscreen laptop?
What pockets do you have?
Jokes on you, I’m a loony toon. /s
Totally missed the pocket bit. Disregard my previous comment, lol.
You telling me you don’t rock South Pole?
Not even those could fit a laptop 🤣
Yes. But smaller, and with a screen where the keyboard should be, and no bezel between the screens. Media consumption device, not something for any real productivity. Very lightweight, good for watching youtube or hulu, but clamshell so it protects the screen.
Yeah, the flip phones especially seem like a good form factor if they can make the price go down.
They already have. I think the Razr can be had at a reasonable price.
AUD 1400 is not a reasonable price to me.
Ah, sorry about that. Seems like all electronics gets way expensive in Australia. Motorola has em for sale for $499 USD (~$739 dollarydoos) here
I’ll trade you my 3D TV for one.
Hey, old 3D TV’s are great…
…As computer monitors. Lots of PC games can be bullied into displaying stereoscopic 3D in one way or other.
I’ll trade you two Betamax, an HD-DVD player, and one 8-track of PeeWee Herman performing “Tequila” for your 3D TV.
If I had a 3d tv I’d happily do this deal
Man I just want a FOSS version of the DS.
Clamshell dual screen has so many advantages.
Even sliding keyboard was great
That would the coolest shit imaginable. I’m surprised nobody has tried making a FOSS ecosystem for the DS, considering how often users have hacked it. All I’m saying is, I wish a company would come alone and make a DS like system with modern resolution and cameras. It might do pretty well.
Clamshell dual screen is the bomb. I don’t know why they’re jumping so many hoops just to avoid a fucking bezel gutter.
SOMEONE never heard of the Surface Duo…
I love the idea of big screen foldables. They are just way too expensive for me to justify. I’ve used the one plus open and man I really wish I could afford it. I do a lot of my mobile computing on my phone instead of a laptop and the foldables make it much more enjoyable.
looks like shit.
I know we’re supposed to be talking shit about foldables but I’d rather remark on how badly I want a rollable phone
Fetch.
I still haven’t seen a legitimate use case for a flip phone that is 100% screen on the inside.
Takes up less pocket space and the primary screen is more protected.
You’re talking about the non-book style ones like the Motorola ones? Yea I have no fuckin clue either lmao, they’re cool and maybe has some “reliving the old days” going for it, but beyond that they seem pointless.
Book style ones like the Pixel Fold OTOH are amazing!
2.76 aspect ratio movies?
I’ll tell you what I’d do man, two movies at the same time, man.
Fuckin-A
I had a Galaxy Flip because I liked the compact size when it was closed, fit really nice in my jeans. Totally useless otherwise though and after the included screen protector cracked, replaced and cracked again I gave it up.
My current phone is now well over two years old, and is desperately NOT in need of an upgrade. I can’t imagine replacing it with anything but a book style foldable. Anything else just wouldn’t feel like an upgrade. I’m just waiting for the prices to get sensible.
I just want a phone without a front camera
That’s interesting. Why?
Is that because of the bump it causes, or something else?
I never used it and I don’t like screens with a notch.
Oh, silly me - I misread it as the rear facing camera :)
Notches suck, they’re just an anti feature, but considering the vapid selfie generation, I suspect they get a lot of use
~the vapid selfie generation~ is such a Boomer phrase lmao
Nice! I’m no boomer but I’m very cynical, maybe there’s a Venn diagram there somewhere
I don’t take selfies, and certainly don’t post them to social media, but I still use my front facing camera all the time. Zoom/Teams/WhatsApp video calls are a big part of modern life. That’s what the camera’s actually for, in the context of being a “phone”.
My bank requires it for certain actions, where I have to put my face into the frame and blink.
Yeah that’s valid, for sure
Same. I’m not into selfies. I just want my keyboard.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Foldables, which have a screen that opens like a book or compact mirror, barely exceed a 1 per cent market share of all smartphones sold globally almost five years after they were first introduced.
“We will continue to position our foldables as a key engine for our flagship growth with the clear differentiation, experience and flexibility these devices have to offer,” said Samsung.
Other handset makers such as Motorola, China’s Huawei and its spin-off Honor are also pinning their hopes on the product helping to revive a market that suffered its worst year for more than a decade.
Every other big smartphone maker has followed Samsung into the market, including Google’s Pixel Fold and Chinese alternatives from Huawei, Oppo and Xiaomi.
“We believe foldables are the future of smartphone devices, just like electric cars were to the auto industry,” said Bond Zhang, UK chief executive of Honor.
Counterpoint Research estimates about 16 million foldable phones will be sold this year, just 1.3 per cent of the 1.2 billion smartphone market total.
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I wish they would put a proper keyboard on a phone again. There’s dozens of people like me who misses those things, why is nobody doing it?
no i love it when my gboard cache fills up or whatever and the typing is so laggy that only 60% of my key presses register and i have to do it really slowly i think it’s good
have you considered a FOSS keyboard? For me, autocorrect is annoying and there is no swiping, but in like 3 weeks you’ll get good enough at typing you’ll need neither.
i use the suggestion strip a lot especially with secondary languages that have larger alphabets
I’m sure even fewer people want the thing I want back: a scroll wheel a la Blackberrys from the '00s. Those things were incredibly accurate and allowed pixel-specific pointing, something that you just don’t get from a touchscreen.
Would love something like that if it were available.
Totally agree. The smartphone market is wayyy to homogenous. All they compete over is price and what alphanumeric digits the chips contain. Give us foldables, sliders, cheap phones, high end phones, phones full of ports, small phones, and big phones. This is what the phone market used to be about until the mid '10s
And what about phones with a removable battery? Would be real nice to keep a couple spares instead of a big power brick I have to charge it from.
you will never see that happen again. they need phones to be disposable
Batteries for phones sold in the EU will all be replaceable within 3.5 years:
The new rules foresee that batteries will need to be easier to remove and replace, while consumers are better informed. Portable batteries in appliances should be designed so that users can easily remove and replace them. This requirement will become mandatory three-and-a-half years after the rules enter into force.
The EU actually forced companies to help consumers, so they are already planning to comply… even Apple.
Would be good if they also force companies to support security updates for more that 5 years…
I don’t need to change phone. I like my S10+. It does what I need. But I feel I’ll have to change it soonish if I want to continue using for online banking etc.
Yeah, I love my XCover Pro for this.
The same reason for the small phone form factor, the 3.5mm headphone jack, and the replaceable battery disappearance. All extraordinary ideas that I would personally would like to still be a thing for the sake of providing variety and choice to all customers. There’s a vocal minority that constantly asks and demands those features. But when manufacturers make and sell them, they only move a few thousand units in contrasts to the several hundred millions of sales for the traditional models. Because conceptually they might be good sensible ideas, but on a practical sense, they aren’t the main priority of the vast majority.
dozens of people
Including me I guess that makes thirteen of us now.
dozens
That makes you number 25
Why for. ? Maybe what would be better is a VR keyboard. If it can give haptic feedback then do you really need a physical board
The issue is I can touch type / hunt and peck with a physical keyboard, and I never accidentally type something by brushing my finger on the key as I pass. It’s just much faster.
Get a Bluetooth keyboard they’re great, little fold out one size of your phone or a tiny or one that straps to your arm… So many different types, I even saw one built into a phone case
I’m not aware of ones that will let me hold the phone by them - but I tend to not have major brand phones which I’m sure exacerbates this. I had a Xiaomi Mi 8 Lite for 4ish years, I just got a more mainstream OnePlus N30, so maybe I can look for a different case that has a keyboard in it, though I still doubt I could hold by it and double thumb type.
I cannot type worth a shit on the touch keyboard on my Z4, despite it being roughly double the size of the touch keyboard on my first touch-only phone. Hell, I could finger type better on my resistive touch, single point only, meant-to-be-used-with-a-stylus WinCE PDA back in the day. I think this has to do with the edges of the screen being too damn close to the physical edge of the device, so there’s no decent way to simultaneously hold it without dropping it and contort your fingers into the quintuple jointed clawlike posture required to hit the lower row and spacebar.
And I bought my original Z Play on the promise of a physical keyboard Moto Mod, which turned out to be vaporware. Yes, I’m still pissed off about that.
Modern bezeless phones may look all swanky and futuristic sitting there on display in the store but they’re a step backwards in actual usability. I would take a slider or even a clamshell with a physical QWERTY keyboard any day.
Have you customized your touch keyboard at all? You can resize and move it to fit your hands/thumbs. You may even prefer a transparent floating keyboard for some situations, like entering text in a wide-screen game on the outside screen, so the game isn’t cut off to like 10% of the height of the screen. And that’s just the built-in keyboard. If you go third party there are tons of options.
And if you find yourself accidentally adding letters here and there, you can add a 0.01 second hold time before a key is pressed. Low enough that you’ll never have to think about it when actually typing something but high enough to ignore most accidental presses. Also if extra inputs happen without you noticing them and you have to go back and fix them when you do spot them, crank your haptic feedback up higher. Won’t miss an accidental press then.
One of the main upsides of Android phones is that you have the ability to spend 30 minutes in the options menu of one tiny element of your phone experience. The default settings work for alot of people, but if they don’t work for you, change them.
I use the swiftkey keyboard, and it constantly has me missing letters. I originally got it for on phone predictiveness, but now Microsoft bought it and IDK if it’s even good anymore, I’m just used to the layout. But I almost never accidentally start typing the wrong letter on a physical keyboard but it’s almost daily on the touch screen ones. I’m constantly missing, hitting delete somehow, having it insert a period and capitalize a word. It’s freaking annoying. The issue isn’t haptics, it’s that there’s no bump on the home keys to position my thumb or fingers, there’s no way for me to “count” by feel x keys over, and there’s no where to rest my hands or fingers on the keys without pressing them.
here’s no decent way to simultaneously hold it without dropping it and contort your fingers into the quintuple jointed clawlike posture required to hit the lower row and spacebar.
Use an onscreen keyboard that doesn’t extend to the edge of the screen? Or get a case that adds size to the phone?
And I bought my original Z Play on the promise of a physical keyboard Moto Mod, which turned out to be vaporware. Yes, I’m still pissed off about that.
Omg HARD same.
I really wish creators would stop shifting the goalposts on everything and just make what they said they would. It doesn’t need to be balanced, it doesn’t need a battery, it just needs to exist.
I do not like foldable I do not like them not one bit.
I do not like them on a plane, I do not like them on a train.
Would you like them on a boat? Would you, could you with a goat?
I probably could with a goat, but I wouldnt talk about it publicly and it would take a lot of bourbon.
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Those are the places where I’d be most likely to want one.
