A Bronx office of the US House member Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was vandalized early on Monday, according to New York City police, who say they are investigating.
The vandalism occurred after Ocasio-Cortez on Friday voted against a defense spending bill amendment authored by the Republican congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia that would have eliminated funding for the system protecting Israel from missiles.
Her vote on Greene’s amendment prompted the Democratic Socialists of America to issue a statement accusing Ocasio-Cortez of backing Israel’s “eliminationist campaign against the Palestinian people”.
Everyone is so ready to drop her based on vibes so quickly that it kinda shines a light on why progressives fail. They could do a million things you agree with, but as soon as they do one thing you don’t like they are immediately the devil. They are held up to such high standards that it’s basically impossible to do everything right. I’m not saying her decision was correct or that her reasoning is correct. What I’m saying is that she is still one of the only politicians actively going against the encroaching fascism and oligarchy.
Like, I get it. Every single time I see Israel getting more money it pisses me off on a deep level. But I’m not going to hate someone for one of their decisions in a swimming pool of the exact opposite. Trump could shoot someone in broad daylight and be in the Epstein files and still have a base yet we hold our side up to such high expectations that we’d alienate them if they made a faux pas during an interview.
Maybe stop expecting everyone to be perfect and exactly what you want them to be and lower your fucking expectations a bit. She’s still trying to fight for you while everyone else is doing exact the opposite.
Edit: Based upon the fact that most of y’all are saying that I’m defending genocide kinda proves my point. We should absolutely be angry at what’s going on over there and we should never defend people that support genocide. But at the same time you should maybe direct your anger towards something productive instead of lashing out at people over the internet. Join a protest, advocate for ending support to Israel, and keep bringing up the issue and make it stay relevant. But don’t think for a second that your anger will accomplish anything in a vacuum. This was literally one of her talking points 3 months ago and y’all have forgotten it in your anger. And maybe if you’re expecting people to just “be better” you should probably be prepared to be disappointed every once in a while without feeling the need to attack people.
I expect people to not support genocide.
That’s the bare minimum. That’s my red line.
I’m willing to compromise so far with liberals over every fucking thing, but genocide is the limit. Israel’s Iron Dome enables it’s genocide, voting for it makes her complicit.
And if you’re willing to compromise over genocide you are complicit too.
Justice will come.
Well, this was pretty much Kamala’s stance on the issue yet millions in the US had no problem voting for her, and those that did take a stand against her decided fascism in the US was a good compromise. I’m not saying she’s right and I’m just as pissed at her for her vote. I’m just saying that shortsightedness accomplishes next to nothing. The only thing being pissed off at AOC accomplishes is making the other side, and Israel itself, more powerful in the long run. And we are actively going after AOC specifically and not even holding all the other people that voted for it accountable.
You are a cycnic. You believe Kamala and AOC are as good as it gets and expecting anything better is a waste of time.
Last election Democrats tried defending genocide instead of pushing their politicians to do better. Look where that got you. Are you still refusing to learn from it? Stop trying to defend it already.
And we are actively going after AOC specifically and not even holding all the other people that voted for it accountable.
https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/aoc-is-a-genocidal-con-artist
People who say you should criticize AOC less because there are way worse members of congress act like she’s just passively sitting there being a mediocre lawmaker. She’s not. She’s actively anchoring the leftmost edge of the Overton window of US politics to militarism, capitalism, colonialism, and genocide. She’s actively stopping American politics from moving any further left than the nightmare we see before us.
Leftists shouldn’t hate AOC less than the politicians to her right, they should hate her much more. It isn’t Mike Johnson’s responsibility to move the US government to the left, and it’s not Nancy Pelosi’s job. It’s hers. That’s what she was elected to do. That’s what she framed the goals of her entire political career as being. And she’s taking her stand firmly bracing against any leftward movement from America’s genocidal, warmongering, unjust, exploitative, tyrannical status quo.
What vibes? AOC said she wants to send weapons to Israel using American taxpayer dollars so Israel can keep committing genocide. There is no mistaking her intentions.
Stop calling genocide supporters progressives. AOC is not a progressive. She is full establishment.
Alright, if that’s the case then you should hold everyone in the house and senate to the same standards because they are all doing this. You say it’s not based on vibes yet I bet you can’t even name half the people in the house that voted for it without looking it up. Why does she have higher standards than the rest of them?
I’m just saying you need to pick your battles. Whether you like it or not, AOC is still one of the best chances to end this when you look at the entirety of the US government. Why make an enemy at this stage?
Maybe she is the focus because her and her fanbase insist she is so great, like you are doing here, yet she constantly proves the opposite.
You don’t have to constantly warn that the blatant Zionist is a Zionist, they tell you themselves.
AOC said she wants to send weapons to Israel using American taxpayer dollars so Israel can keep committing genocide.
Isn’t that the exact opposite of what she said in your screenshot? Support for defensive equipment and against offensive weapons.
Let’s send defensive weapons to nazi germany during the holocaust.
“Defensive” as Israel invades and occupies multiple countries.
The distinction between defensive and offensive is meaningless.
I like this example. So I think providing defenses for Nazi Germany would be much more egregious, but I think I get what you’re saying.
Here’s the difference, Nazi Germany did not have these defenses to begin with, so providing them later is expressing support for their mission since those defenses can also be given to the people that Germany is attacking instead and still achieve the goal of keeping innocent people alive. Given that choice, I don’t think the aid should be going to the aggressors. But if given the choice to provide them to everyone? Then yes, everyone should be defended. Let them shoot blanks at each other and beat their chests about it.
With Israel, the iron dome is already set up to protect them alone. You can’t expect to give these same resources to Palestine and expect them to be useful, especially since so much of the killing is happening through foot soldiers. Incoming missiles strikes on Israel have also been heavily ramped up due to the presence of these defenses, so taking them away would be akin to protecting someone from the rain by holding a bucket over their head to catch the water, then dumping the contents on them afterwards.
The counterarguments I can think of are
- Not having to worry about defending yourself means you can instead allocate those resources on attacking others
- Iran doesn’t actually intend to kill lots of civilians, so they would ramp down their missile strike in accordance to the iron dome’s capabilities and save on resources
Which is very fair. Providing defence assistance is also bad. So this whole bill was designed to be a distraction to divide Palestine’s supporters. Both options are bad. What I think we can all agree on is that not providing weapons will definitely be a net positive for everyone involved. Let’s talk about that instead.
Don’t let facts get in the way
lower your expectations even lower guys, maybe then things will improve!
Lot of folks are willing to draw the line at genocide.
And people should. But they would’ve got the money anyway so why are we specifically pissed off at her but not anyone else in the house? Seriously, give it a week and everyone will still be pissed at AOC specifically while everyone else that voted for it will be out of the public eye.
why are we specifically pissed off at her but not anyone else in the house?
because she dons the progressive hat and takes it off according to her convenience, and people don’t like to be played upon.
So she’s like 90% of politicians? Don’t get me wrong, I get it. I’m definitely not as much of a fan of her after this just like everyone else, but I’ve seen people making death threats and calling her the worst things imaginable. To me this is starting to sound more and more like a parasocial type situation where they think that because she’s popular on social media that she’s their friend when in reality she’s just doing what politicians do. I mean, even though Bernie Sanders has been trying to advocate for Palestinians he also refuses to call it a genocide and still gets crazy support.
When you spend your career painting yourself as a saviour of leftism in government, then stab leftism along with the rest of the government, you will get more backlash.
It’s “wolf vs wolf in sheep’s clothing”.
Also Bernie is a Zionist pos as well. He (wrongfully) gets grace because he’s old and a lot of peoples first forrays into politics was 2016 and 2020 when he was blatantly robbed by the DNC.
i don’t think she acts like 90% of the politicians since at least republicans are indeed free to act exactly like the program of their party. conservatives and reactionaries don’t have to play double games because in a capitalist system they have free reins, whereas progressive and social-democrats have to remind capitalists all the time how reliable they are to them, and in return they get the donations and resources they need to get elected, remain in power by not being removed through political means or lawfare, and are not branded as pariahs, i.e., radical communists.
however, i do get the point when she receives death threats, and i think that is undefendable and i suspect that this has got something to do with her being a young woman. but i don’t believe this was the case here since she was being pressured, not having her life or of those associated with her threatened. what people are saying, even though with red paint and an angry sign, is that “if you still want our votes and be associated with our values, you’d better change your stance”. as for bernie, it might be because he’s still much more inside social democracy than AOC even though he’s still playing comfortable with his genocide stance, it might be because he’s a white male. my guess is 80% the first reason and 20% for the latter.
And because the media are amplifying it.
“it’s just one genocide come on! stop letting perfect be the enemy of good!!”
i’d rather not lower my expectations to the point where genocide is acceptable thank you
Except AOC actually voted against the funding bill. All this is about a meaningless political stunt of a doomed amendment put forth by a racist conspiracy theorist conservative (MTG).
AOC herself defended “”“defensive”“” weapns to Israel. She was against the amendment on those grounds.
Her and other progressives vote for “doomed” bills and amendments all the time, as do most politicians. They vote for them to signal their position and push those positions publicly as much as anything else.
Rashiba Tlaib voted for the amendment. AOC called her a nazi.
The iron dome isn’t a defensive “weapon.” That’s a contradiction in terms. She specifically cited an interest in not having innocent people die.
Do you deny that there are innocent people in Israel who might die from missile attacks that the iron dome might otherwise prevent?
She did not call Tlaib a Nazi. That’s a gross misrepresentation of the statement. Ask Tlaib if she thinks AOC was referring to her.
Would you support funding an iron dome for Russia against Ukraine?
The iron dome isn’t a defensive “weapon.” That’s a contradiction in terms.
A gun doesn’t stop being a weapon because you used it in self defence, idiot.
She specifically cited an interest in not having innocent people die.
By funding arms to Israel to protect it from consequences of committing a genocide and invading and bombing multiple neighbours, which then allows it to act with further impunity to keep doing what it’s doing.
She did not call Tlaib a Nazi. That’s a gross misrepresentation of the statement. Ask Tlaib if she thinks AOC was referring to her.
She straight up declared anyone who voted for it effectively a nazi. She called Tlaib and Omar nazis.
Would you support funding an iron dome for Russia against Ukraine?
I wouldn’t personally support funding anything in Russia or Israel.
A gun doesn’t stop being a weapon because you used it in self defence, idiot.
A gun is an offensive weapon. It’s not useful for self defense. You can’t shoot bullets out of the air easily. There’s no need for useless name-calling.
By funding arms to Israel
Except she voted against said funding by voting against the bill.
to protect it from consequences of committing a genocide
The iron dome existed before the current genocide. But you’re literally saying that civilians in Israel should die because the people in control of the government and military are committing genocide. That’s not justice. That’s advocating for murder as a form of revenge on a group when everyone in the group is not responsible for the preceding injustice. You’re applying the same logic as conservatives who pretend every Palestinian is a terrorist.
and invading and bombing multiple neighbours, which then allows it to act with further impunity to keep doing what it’s doing.
I’d be interested in defending Israel entirely. The conservatives in the majority in Congress will not allow that to happen. However AOC voted or even if she abstained, the results would not be any different.
She straight up declared anyone who voted for it effectively a nazi. She called Tlaib and Omar nazis.
She literally didn’t say that. If she did, you could quote her saying “Tlaib and Omar are Nazis.” You’re assigning that meaning to her words and then getting upset at your own interpretation.
I wouldn’t personally support funding anything in Russia or Israel.
Yet here you are defending funding the iron dome. Weird that.
A gun is an offensive weapon. It’s not useful for self defense. You can’t shoot bullets out of the air easily. There’s no need for useless name-calling.
A missile is an offensive weapon. What do you think the iron dome is? Idiot.
Except she voted against said funding by voting against the bill.
Yet she defended funding the iron dome, which is giving arms to Israel.
The iron dome existed before the current genocide.
Irrelevant to the point.
But you’re literally saying that civilians in Israel should die because the people in control of the government and military are committing genocide.
Irrelevant to the point. You’re saying Russian civilians should die by saying you wouldn’t fund anything in Russia. You also said the same about Israel, so you also support killing Israeli civilians according to you.
You’re saying German civilians should die because you refuse to provide Hitler with AA guns.
I’d be interested in defending Israel entirely. The conservatives in the majority in Congress will not allow that to happen. However AOC voted or even if she abstained, the results would not be any different.
??? nonsensical.
She literally didn’t say that. If she did, you could quote her saying “Tlaib and Omar are Nazis.” You’re assigning that meaning to her words and then getting upset at your own interpretation.
“If you believe neo-nazis are welcome and operating in good faith, you can have them!” She said about people voting in favour of the amendment. She called Ilhan and Tlaib nazis.
Yet here you are defending funding the iron dome. Weird that.
Except I’m not. You literally quoted me saying I don’t support funding the iron dome.
A missile is an offensive weapon. What do you think the iron dome is? Idiot.
A missile that shoots down other missiles isn’t offensive in nature.
Yet she defended funding the iron dome, which is giving arms to Israel.
She explained why she voted a certain way on a meaningless amendment that never had a chance of passing, which was a political stunt by a racist conspiracy theorist. What are you defending an amendment by a racist conspiracy theorist?
Irrelevant to the point.
No, just inconvenient for your point.
Irrelevant to the point. You’re saying Russian civilians should die by saying you wouldn’t fund anything in Russia.
I’m not. Russia can leave Ukraine and the war would be over.
You also said the same about Israel, so you also support killing Israeli civilians according to you.
I didn’t. Quote me where I said that.
You’re saying German civilians should die because you refuse to provide Hitler with AA guns.
There actually was a lot of debate about civilian deaths in the firebombing of Dresden and the dropping of the atomic bombs in Japan. Your lack of historical context and nuance doesn’t help your broad brush arguments.
And none of this has any affect on the funding bill that AOC voted against.
You’re crucifying people over useless words on meaningless amendments brought as political stunts.
??? nonsensical.
If you don’t understand how voting in Congress works, I can find you a video. If you don’t understand how a single vote more in a 422-6 vote on an amendment is statistical irrelevant, I can probably find a math video for you also.
“If you believe neo-nazis are welcome and operating in good faith, you can have them!”
That quote didn’t include Tlaib and Omar’s names.
She said about people voting in favour of the amendment. She called Ilhan and Tlaib nazis.
That’s your flawed interpretation. You’re putting those words in her mouth. Quote her where she literally called those individuals Nazis.
Hitchens razor applies.
“we must give the German Reich the best defensive capabilities else civilians might die! Germany has a right to defend itself! Do you want more civilian casualties?!”
Note that I said I wouldn’t fund the iron dome. I don’t think Israel should receive any funding from the US. But apparently nuance isn’t in vogue right now.
Keep stuffing that straw man.
How is it a strawman?
