• @HappyRedditRefugee@lemm.ee
    1•1 year ago

    As a commi, I can’t stand this kind of people… Like, is important and (sometimes even fun) to talk about this, but there is a lot more to life…

    • @TheOubliette@lemmy.ml
      1•1 year ago

      I agree, telling people they are quiet is silly. The first guy also should’ve been talking about communism from the beginning.

              • @HappyRedditRefugee@lemm.ee
                -1•1 year ago

                Right, I get you now.

                My comment was directed to people who are constanly talking about the same topic and do no speak about anything else and I specially have some extra annoyace for people doing that with politics. Even if I confront you with “You’re so quiet” and then you let it out, it will still be annoyed, no matter if I asked first or not. Like, me inviting you to open is very different than me signing up for a unending hangout-tracendent only-about-communism discussion…

                The comic is missing the frames with the other guy trying to change the topic and the other person perpetually stearing the conversation back to the same topic, which more often than not, I will entail some diaregard for the other party(s) in the convo.

                A: Man, I broke my leg B: aw shit, that must suck, right? because you can’t do the things you like I mean braking your leg in this shitty system, I wish we could have a system…

                A: Yo, look, I bought this really cool thing that I have been wanted for years! B: Cool! what does it do? ah… It was probably made by some slave in a sweatshop, you know? If we were in communinsm those would probably be made by some happy people instead!

                (Dumb examples, I know, but Im no writer.)

                I do admit, that me starting my comment with “As a commie” do makes my comment kinda obtuse and nonsense…

                I stand by it tho. This kind of person is just very annoying to me, independent of the topic. Im quite vocal about my political views, but there’s too much in my life to only talk about the one belive I have.

    • RBG
      13•1 year ago

      It’s because he kept dressing in red.

    • @TheOubliette@lemmy.ml
      2•1 year ago

      Communism is not attainable in our lifetimes as it will require decades upon decades of economic and social development. But we can take the first steps by seizing control of the state from capital and oppressing the actions of capitalists themselves. In other words, by creating socialist (or proto-socialist) states.

    • @davel@lemmy.mlEnglish
      18•1 year ago

      If there are communists who think communism can be attained in our lifetimes, I don’t know them. We’re not going to sell people a fantasy, some overnight utopia. Some places are now socialist, and more may become so in our lifetimes. But, as socialist states themselves will tell you, communism has not yet been attained anywhere.

    • Cowbee [he/they]
      22•1 year ago

      Actually disagree, at least not higher-stage Communism. Higher stage communism requires pretty much all living generations on Earth to have never known Capitalism, and be so used to living within Socialism that the statist apparatus makes itself redundant and whithers away. This becomes self-perpetuating and stable.

      Lower stage communism? Absolutely.

      It isn’t simply a matter of “confronting internal biases,” just like you would not place a random modern worker into feudalism and expect them to be capable of tending the fields, producing for subsistence plus surplus to their local feudal lord, and producing all manner of household goods such as clothing, fences, and food, so too can you not thrust the modern proletariat into a higher stage of production without working through the transitional status of Socialism.

  • AmericaDelendaEst [comrade/them]English
    49•1 year ago

    anticapitalist views of society in general are eldritch brain horrors that peel back the veil of reality and reveal the utter putrescence of capitalist society in such a way that its horrors are forever unseeable and, for some, almost unbearable, as every single moment which passes bears witness to uncountable instances of preventable suffering through not just exploitation but incredibly callous disregard for the value of human lives, and for communists it’s that x10

      • ChicagoCommunist [none/use name]English
        13•1 year ago

        In a sort of similar vein to the above comrade’s comment, you may enjoy these quotes:

        From Disco Elysium:

        The Deserter - “The mask of humanity fall from capital. It has to take it off to kill everyone – everything you love; all the hope and tenderness in the world. It has to take it off, just for one second. To do the deed.”

        “And then you see it. As it strangles and beats your friends to death… the sweetest, most courageous people in the world.” He’s silent for a second “You see the fear and power in its eyes. Then you know.”

        YOU - “What?”

        The Deserter - “That the bourgeois are not human.”

        From Carlo Cafiero’s summary of Capital:

        So the daydreaming worker arrived at home; and there, dined, went to bed, and slept deeply, dreaming of the disappearance of bosses and the creation of government workshops.

        Sleep, poor friend, sleep in peace, while hope still rests within you. Sleep in peace, for the disappointing day will soon come. Soon you will learn how your boss can sell their goods for profit, without defrauding anyone. He will make you see how one becomes a capitalist, and a large capitalist, while remaining perfectly honest.

        Now your dreams will never again be so peaceful. You will see capital in your nights, like a nightmare, that presses you and threatens to crush you. With terrified eyes you will see it get fatter, like a monster with one hundred proboscises that feverishly search the pores of your body to suck your blood. And finally you will learn to assume its boundless and gigantic proportions, its appearance dark and terrible, with eyes and mouth of fire, morphing its suckers into enormous hopeful trumpets, within which you’ll see thousands of human beings disappear: men, women, children. Down your face will trickle the sweat of death, because your time, and that of your wife and your children will soon arrive. And your final moan will be drowned out by the happy sneering of the monster, glad with your state, so much richer, so much more inhumane.

    • @SSJMarx@lemm.eeEnglish
      7•1 year ago

      It’s such an apt metaphor. A horrifying tentacled mass called “capitalism” is puppeteering every society on the planet. Read a bit of leftist thought and you’ll start seeing it everywhere - read a bit more and you’ll perceive precisely how its tentacles are manipulating you. Try not to go mad as your perception broadens with every theory you imbibe.

      A few societies are aware of the being. They know its tentacles are upon them, and they’ve declared their intentions to throw off the beast and finally slay it. But whether their plots and schemes for defeating the monster will bear fruit or not, for the time being they can only overcome its influence in fits and starts.

  • Flyberius [comrade/them]English
    18•1 year ago

    This is basically me. I’m pretty quiet when socialising because I know if I start talking I’ll very soon start trying to set the world to rights.

    Food and beer are probably the only safe topics for me.

    • SpectreOPM
      10•1 year ago

      Food is not even a safe topic for me since I am vegan. There are no safe topics for me 😂