• Cowbee [he/they]
      10•1 year ago

      Nobody is saying that people should be judged by their religion. People here are saying Religion itself encourages anti-science and bigoted views.

      Secondly, it’s absolutely unscientific to believe that the lack of disproof is sufficient evidence for belief. This is fundamentally unreasonable and is just as much proof as saying that pigs can fly when nobody observes them.

      No, religious people are not morally wrong for being religious, and they are not to blame. Religion itself is.

        • Cowbee [he/they]
          12•1 year ago

          No, that is not what I’ve said.

          Believing firmly in a hypothesis without confirmation of said hypothesis is not sound. Again, pigs flying when nobody can see them, and firmly believing in it.

          This gets additionally dicey when religion is used as a tool to restrict women’s rights, and uphold homophobia, transphobia, and racism.

          The scientific method works by creating a hypothesis, and testing it to verify. It does not work by creating a hypothesis and firmly believing in it until its disproven. You take an agnostic approach until confirmed one way or the other.

    • Beemo Dinosaurierfuß
      12•1 year ago

      Hey first and foremost, thanks for the good faith discussion.

      I want you to be reassured that I don’t hate you for your religion.
      And I don’t think you or any religious person is necessarily dumb.
      We just happen to fundamentally disagree on certain points that seem to hold at least some value for both our lives.

      And I will gladly admit that believing in god has the fundamental difference to believing in a flat earth that you described. The flat earth is soundly disproven and the existence of god is not.

      I would in reply try to refine my point to saying that I think believing in god is comparable to believing in the easter bunny or the often quoted flying spaghetti monster (that I purposefully didn’t want to invoke earlier).

      Yes you are absolutely free to believe in any of those things.
      I would fight to defend your right to believe in them.

      But I cannot ever accept it as truth or even an educated opinion to hold without any proof pointing specifically towards the existence of any god.

      And not to end on a negative note.
      I love life around me, I love nature, I love animals.
      I think the world is a wonder.

      I do not believe any god made it the way it is.
      I have no reason to believe that.
      I just love it for itself.