• @NOT_RICK@lemmy.world
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      644 months ago

      Urologists do vasectomies and they don’t generally harass guys about their reproductive choices because sexism (vasectomies being easier to reverse is probably a factor too).

      • Mubelotix
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        84 months ago

        Depends on your country. In France not all urologists will help you

      • @Volkditty@lemmy.world
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        444 months ago

        I got my vasectomy done through Planned Parenthood. I had to go in for a screening first where they asked questions like, “Are you sure you want to do this?” and I said yeah and they said, “Really sure?” and I said yeah, so they said “OK cool, come back in two weeks and we’ll snip snip.”

        Very easy process, highly recommend.

        • @Apepollo11@lemmy.world
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          214 months ago

          Had mine done through the NHS. Basically two questions, “do you have children already” and “how long since your last child was born?”.

          If you haven’t had kids yet, you just need to explain why you want a vasectomy, usually with a specialist. If your last child was born less than two months ago, they want you to wait (apparently a lot of men’s first reaction to the realities of having a baby is to try to ensure it won’t happen again).

          • @Mango@lemmy.world
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            -14 months ago

            Why should I have to explain my choices regarding my body? Take my money and do your job or don’t and I’ll go to someone else who will.

            • @ricecake@sh.itjust.works
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              104 months ago

              Because medical ethics requires some degree of confidence that you’re not making a permanent decision that you’ll regret.

              Unnecessary hurdles like mandatory waiting periods, refusing to do it without someone else’s consent, or refusal to do it at all if you’re childless are wrong, but making sure someone understands the procedure and it’s consequences and that what they’re asking for is actually solving the complaint they want to solve is just being responsible.

              Doctors aren’t mechanics.

                • @ricecake@sh.itjust.works
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                  74 months ago

                  It is entirely your decision. It’s also their decision if they can ethically perform the procedure.

                  Some people read that a vasectomy can be reversed and understand that they are 100% reversible 100% of the time. If someone says they want a vasectomy so they can skip other forms of birth control until they’re ready to have kids, the doctor needs to correct their misunderstanding before they can ethically perform the procedure.

                  “Informed consent” requires making sure the individual is “informed”, “able to consent”, and “consenting”.

                • @OutsizedWalrus@lemmy.world
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                  44 months ago

                  Sure, but you still need to convince someone else you are informed and educated on the risks and outcomes.

                  You get a handful of really bad stories, but most doctors just want to make sure they don’t have a patient knocking on their door complaining that this vasectomy thing isn’t what they wanted.

                • @Apepollo11@lemmy.world
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                  54 months ago

                  NHS = National Health Service

                  It’s what we have in the UK, and essentially means that all your health care is free.

                  Vasectomy = free. Having a baby in hospital = free. CAT scan = free. Insulin = free.

                  Admittedly, it’s paid for in taxes, but at a small fraction of the cost of the American way of doing things.

            • @Hawke@lemmy.world
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              104 months ago

              Because like it or not, it’s not the doctors job to do whatever you want no questions asked. It’s to evaluate need, desire, and risks and advise and act accordingly.

              The doctor who would perform an unnecessary procedure without doing that is just as bad as the one who refuses. Maybe worse.

              • @Mango@lemmy.world
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                -44 months ago

                It doesn’t need to be necessary. It’s not their call. It’s no different from getting an abortion.

                • @ricecake@sh.itjust.works
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                  54 months ago

                  Sterilization is quite a bit different from abortion.

                  An abortion is a choice not to have a child. Sterilization is a choice to permanently alter your body such that you can never have children.

                  A doctor talking to a patient to ensure they understand a procedure and it’s consequences and that those consequences are what they want when those consequences are permanent is just responsible.

                  It’s entirely the patients decision, but that doesn’t mean the doctor shouldn’t confirm their intent.

            • Phoenixz
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              44 months ago

              Because sometimes its about protecting yourself from yourself.

              Making sure someone wants a vasectomy because they have all the children they want is a different thing from wanting a vasectomy as a jump scare reaction to just having had a baby and oh shit oh shit, let me do something I’ll regret later.

              Fully agree that doctors take precautions with procedures that are hard to reverse or potentially irreversible.

                • Phoenixz
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                  24 months ago

                  Alright, so next time when you drunkenly stumble into a heavy traffic road, I’ll let you die

                  If infind you on the ground having a heart attack, I’ll just leave you to die

                  When you are about to eat poisonous food, I won’t warn you, go right ahead.

                  You “i never make mistakes!!” Guys are tiring

        • @meco03211@lemmy.world
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          394 months ago

          When I broached the subject with my doctor he asked how many kids I have. I said 0. He seemed to have more of a personal reaction as if a friend had said that and he started to push back ever so slightly saying something like “but kids are great”. I just responded matter of factly that that shouldn’t matter. He instantly snapped out of it and back to doctor mode, apologized, and set up the referral. I was snipped inside a month with not another whisper of hesitancy from anyone.

      • @Mango@lemmy.world
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        34 months ago

        Holup. Is that a penis specific doctor or is there no penis specific doctor while everyone is going around saying vagina science is way behind penis science because societal level discrimination?

        Also, literally everyone I meet who hears about it gives me shit for my choice to never have kids, and I’m a guy. Just because you don’t experience it doesn’t mean guys don’t also take shit from the baby crazy people. I’m an antinatalist.

        • @NOT_RICK@lemmy.world
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          154 months ago

          Women also have urinary tracts so no, Urologists treat both sexes. Believe it or not gynecology was very sexist in the era where only men could be doctors. The presence of a specialty does not preclude it from bias and harm.

          Also saying penis specific and vagina specific is really missing the mark, it’s generally the internal stuff that is more of an issue (prostates for men, womb, ovaries and fallopian tubes for women).

          Men are generally more permitted by traditional western society to pursue things outside of raising a family than women are, and as with most things personal experience can and will vary.

          • @Mango@lemmy.world
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            14 months ago

            Gynecology probably used to be really bullshit and run by dudes who just wanted to deal with vagina for a living.

            • @ricecake@sh.itjust.works
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              54 months ago

              Yes on the bullshit, less on the creepy sexual part.

              More a mix of people who viewed it as ensuring families are healthy and populous, and looking out for a husbands wife’s reproductive tract and keeping his wife’s vagina “good”, and making money with a speciality.

              Even in the era when “manual stimulation” as a treatment for hysteria was a thing, there are consistent records of doctors loathing the procedure. Part of what inspired the creation of the vibrator.

              • @MeThisGuy@feddit.nl
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                4 months ago

                Part of what inspired the creation of the vibrator.

                what a wild ride, and look how far we’ve come with technology… there’s now an app for that

    • Flying SquidOP
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      -104 months ago

      Yes, it’s called “keep it in your pants if you want your partner to get pregnant and she doesn’t want to because abortion is illegal in a lot of states now.”

      • @Mango@lemmy.world
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        -24 months ago

        Keep it in my pants is my strategy anyhow because I’m an antinatalist and do not gamble with my ethics. There isn’t a scenario where I’m trying to impregnate someone who doesn’t want it, so don’t come at me with a chip on your shoulder like that.

        I had a friend who was born despite his father’s vasectomy. I don’t care what the odds are. I don’t play with odds.

        • Flying SquidOP
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          64 months ago

          I’m guessing the odds are so slim that vasectomy plus condom is so close to impossible statistically speaking that you would be safe. I’m not trying to criticize your personal choice, which is perfectly valid.

          • @Mango@lemmy.world
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            -54 months ago

            I’d rather jerk it than bother with a condom and my cosmic tier anxiety about the universe I live in trying to peg me with a ‘gotcha’ and beating me up over failing to handle my own desire. I’ll handle it.

            • @RBWells@lemmy.world
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              44 months ago

              I had kids when I got together with my now-husband and he did too, and I had a history of literally falling pregnant each of the times I didn’t use birth control, so he was vasectomized AND I had IUD put in, together this was as good as science can do now and it worked perfectly. Vasectomy can regrow but IUD is very reliable.

              I guess if sex isn’t important to you then enjoy, or if you can enjoy sex with men that would also be 100% no chance of pregnancy. But for me, it’s such a wonderful part of life, letting fear rule it seems bad.