• @KoboldCoterie@pawb.social
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    If I were the victim of genocide, I wouldn’t be a voter at all, because I’d be dead. However, that’s kind of irrelevant - are you the victim of genocide? I’m assuming not, if you’re voting in the US election. Even if you’re Palestinian, your people are the victim of genocide, but unless you’re in Palestine, you aren’t.

    That said, if you are Palestinian, I feel for you, I honestly do, and it would explain your view somewhat.

    I think we can both agree that there’s only two outcomes that’re possible in this election: Trump wins, or Harris wins. (If you don’t agree, I’d be happy to hear your third outcome.) If you truly believe there’s no difference between the two of them, you need to do some research on the topic, because there are a lot of differences, even if they don’t pertain to this issue specifically.

    If, between the two of them, you hope Harris wins, a 3rd party vote is voting against your interests. If you hope Trump wins between the two of them, a 3rd party vote is still voting against your interests, because you’re effectively taking a vote away from your preferred candidate among the two who could possibly win.

    Edit to respond to your edit:

    The outcome is the Democrats stop committing Genocide or they don’t get votes. “But Trump” isn’t even an argument.

    Unless you’re out there protesting, or writing letters, or making phone calls, or in some way letting them know that their policy is costing them your vote, it’s a useless gesture. Posting on Lemmy isn’t going to change any politician’s minds. It’s not even going to change anyone’s mind here, in all likelihood. If you actually want to make a difference, you need to make your voice heard by the people whose minds you’re actually trying to change.

    • @Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldOP
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      Not every victim of Genocide is killed. Any person who was put in a concentration camp by Hitler, or even persecuted, was a victim of the Holocaust. Similarly any person in Gaza is the victim of a Genocide. And you don’t have to be a Palestinian to empathise with people.

      Your scope of analysis is limited to 4 years. There’s no long term analysis. If people vote for Genocide it will cement that Democrats can get away with anything if they fearmonger hard enough.

      When people threaten to withhold votes for a Genocide they have to follow through or all the leverage falls away. It’s a game of chicken now.

      • @Rivalarrival@lemmy.today
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        Your scope of analysis is limited to 4 years. There’s no long term analysis.

        The long term analysis is that both Israel and Palestine have been more interested in conflict than peace for far longer than I have been alive.

        The reality is that their little quarrel is pretty low on my list of priorities. I want representatives who share that opinion.

      • @FutileRecipe@lemmy.world
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        It’s a game of chicken now.

        And if you’re not scared of a convicted felon who promises to be a dictator on day one and has the Supreme Court in his pocket who granted him immunity as well as a cult like following who stormed the Capitol to attempt an insurrection yet who also praises dictators and salutes their generals and has nothing to lose getting ahold of the Presidency then I don’t know what to tell ya. But sure, let’s play chicken with the saner and lesser of the two evils and help MAGA win.

        • @Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldOP
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          We’ve heard this one in 2016. The duopoly will not allow the facade to end. There will be elections in 2028.

          • @FutileRecipe@lemmy.world
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            We’ve heard this one in 2016.

            He was a convicted felon who had the Supreme Court in his pocket who granted him immunity as well as an attempted insurrection in his honor and he saluted hostile generals?

            I don’t remember if he promised to be a dictator on day one or had already praised dictators back then, so I’ll grant you that one out of…everything else he’s done since then which was not covered in 2016.

            • @Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldOP
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              Trump was not just going to install a Fascist regime but commit a Genocide on all Mexicans and Arabs and start nuclear WW3. In the end he built a worthless border wall and a did Muslim ban that got overturned rather quickly.

              Collective amnesia amongst Democrats appears to have wiped all the memories of previous Trump fearmongering away. There’s room for fresh new fearmongering again.

              I don’t care about Trumps felony convictions of him bribing a porn star. Biden and Harris should face trial in the Hague for literal Genocide.

              • @Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win
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                Do you hear yourself? You even point out he implemented a Muslim ban. Clearly, the side you should be supporting. No reason to think otherwise. Nope.

        • @Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldOP
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          Democrats won’t do Genocide in 2028 if they win then because they have now learnt they can’t get away with literally anything by feamongering.

          Democrats can’t just say they’re “not Trump”. They have to be “not Trump”.

          • @shiftymccool@programming.dev
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            4 years? That’s your idea of “long term”? You honestly think losing one election will teach anybody anything? How the fuck will they know what lesson to learn when they lose? As other commenters have said, their are other issues the two parties disagree on. How will they know what one to blame for losing?

            On the other hand, pubs are learning that they can run a convicted felon that promises a dictatorship if he wins. Yeah, let’s set that precedent…