Code analysis firm sees no major benefits from AI dev tool when measuring key programming metrics, though others report incremental gains from coding copilots with emphasis on code review.
  • @TrickDacy@lemmy.worldEnglish
    0•6 months ago

    I truly don’t understand the tendency of people to hate these kinds of tools. Honestly seems like an ego thing to me.

    • @leftzero@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
      0•6 months ago

      Having to deal with pull requests defecated by “developers” who blindly copy code from chatgpt is a particularly annoying and depressing waste of time.

      At least back when they blindly copied code from stack overflow they had to read through the answers and comments and try to figure out which one fit their use case better and why, and maybe learn something… now they just assume the LLM is right (despite the fact that they asked the wrong question and even if they had asked the right one it’d’ve given the wrong answer) and call it a day; no brain activity or learning whatsoever.

      • @TrickDacy@lemmy.worldEnglish
        -1•6 months ago

        That is not a problem with the ai software, that’s a problem with hiring morons who have zero experience.

        • @leftzero@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
          0•6 months ago

          No. LLMs are very good at scamming people into believing they’re giving correct answers. It’s practically the only thing they’re any good at.

          Don’t blame the victims, blame the scammers selling LLMs as anything other than fancy but useless toys.

          • jungleEnglish
            1•6 months ago

            Did you get scammed by the LLM? If not, what’s the difference between you and the dev you mentioned?

            • @leftzero@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
              -1•6 months ago

              I was lucky enough to not have access to LLMs when I was learning to code.

              Plus, over the years I’ve developed a good thick protective shell (or callus) of cynicism, spite, distrust, and absolute seething hatred towards anything involving computers, which younger developers yet lack.

              • jungleEnglish
                1•6 months ago

                Sorry, you misunderstood my comment, which was very badly worded.

                I meant to imply that you, an experienced developer, didn’t get “scammed” by the LLM, and that the difference between you and the dev you mentioned is that you know how to program.

                I was trying to make the point that the issue is not the LLM but the developer using it.

    • @gaael@lemmy.worldEnglish
      0•6 months ago

      Also, when a tool increases your productivity but your salary and paid time off don’t increase, it’s a tool that only benefits the overlords and as such deserves to be hated.

          • @TrickDacy@lemmy.worldEnglish
            0•6 months ago

            I would argue that it’s obvious if someone doesn’t know how to use a tool to do their job, they aren’t great at their job to begin with.

            Your argument is to blame the tool and excuse the person who is awful with the tool.

              • @TrickDacy@lemmy.worldEnglish
                0•6 months ago

                Using a tool to speed up your work is not lazy. Using a tool stupidly is stupid. Anyone who thinks these tools are meant to replace humans using logic is misunderstanding them entirely.

                You remind me of some of my coworkers who would rather do the same mind numbing task for hours every day rather than write a script that handles it. I judge them for thinking working smarter is “lazy” and I think it’s a fair judgement. I see them as the lazy ones. They’d rather not think more deeply about the scripting aspect because it’s hard. They rather zone out and mindlessly click, copy/paste, etc. I’d rather analyze and break down the problem so I can solve it once and then move onto something more interesting to solve.

                  • @TrickDacy@lemmy.worldEnglish
                    0•6 months ago

                    shitty devs are enabled by shitty tools.

                    No, shitty devs are enabled by piss-poor hiring practices. I’m currently working with two devs that submit mind bogglingly bad PRs all of the time, and it’s 100% because we hired them in a hasty manner and overlooking issues they displayed during interviews.

                    Neither of these bad devs use AI to my knowledge. On the other hand I use copilot constantly and the only difference I see in my work is that it takes me less time to complete a given task. It shaves 1-2 minutes off of writing a block/function several times an hour, and that is a good thing.

              • @aesthelete@lemmy.worldEnglish
                0•6 months ago

                Some tools deserve blame. In the case of this, you’re supposed to use it to automate away certain things but that automation isn’t really reliable. If it has to be babysat to the extent that I certainly would argue that it does, then it deserves some blame for being a crappy tool.

                If, for instance, getter and setter generating or refactor tools in IDEs routinely screwed up in the same ways, people would say that the tools were broken and that people shouldn’t use them. I don’t get how this is different just because of “AI”.