• @orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts
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    The MOVE bombing. The fact that the Philadelphia police dropped not one but TWO explosive devices on the roof of their house via helicopter is still nuts to me. What made it even worse was the fact that the fire department showed up and let it continue to burn, destroying 61 evacuated neighboring homes and leaving 250 people homeless.

    Any time I tell someone about it that hasn’t heard the story, they’re skeptical.

    Another one is the time I learned that I was under local surveillance for being an activist that was part of a local non-violent black liberation org. The police would send a unit weekly to check my whereabouts and movements. I learned through a friend of a friend that didn’t even know who I was, but knew my name and that I was on a surveillance list. Pretty sure they were checking in on everyone involved.

    • @Jakdracula@lemmy.world
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      -142 years ago

      The fire department showed up and the move members started shooting at them, which is why the fire department moved back.

      • @BossDj@lemm.ee
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        222 years ago

        Police and MOVE were still exchanging gunfire, so the firefighters were ordered to back away.

        Also, to add some intent, the police plan was to make a hole in the roof through which they could shoot year gas and force MOVE members to evacuate. Witnesses did see officers on the adjoining buildings ready to go. It was a stupid plan.

        The conspiracy part comes in, though, because we really only have the word of the police on all of this, since all but two of the MOVE people died, and one was a child

        • Cethin
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          42 years ago

          Isn’t most tear gas flammable? What the fuck is wrong with our cops and why are they so stupid?

        • @Jakdracula@lemmy.world
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          You said above “the fire department showed up and let it continue to burn” This is a completely inaccurate statement. The fire department was there from the beginning and were ordered to move back because of the gunfire. Your statement is saying that the fire department showed up at sometime during the event and just waited around and let it continue to burn, which is absolutely untrue .

          • @orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts
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            72 years ago

            It’s not inaccurate. That’s what happened because the police decided to corner MOVE members in their home and then fired at them as they tried to move outside. The goal from the start was to kill everyone there and in their rage, they devised easily one of the stupidest plans ever. The police forced people into a corner and they retaliated. The police also got hit with a lawsuit in federal court for use of excessive force and illegal search and seizure.

            We can split hairs on phrasing, but the police are to blame for the entire thing and crafted a scenario where the fire department’s hands were tied.

      • @orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts
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        92 years ago

        None of it would’ve taken place if the police weren’t so fucking stupid with their plan. I get why the fire dept. held back, but the police created that entire scenario.

        Also, my statement isn’t wrong.

    • @bartolomeo@suppo.fi
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      32 years ago

      I just looked up MOVE after reading this comment. Amazing power dynamics (from wikipedia):

      In 1978, a standoff resulted in the death of one police officer and injuries to 16 officers and firefighters, as well as members of the MOVE organization. Nine members were convicted of killing the officer and each received prison sentences of 30 to 100 years.[2] In 1985, another firefight ended when a police helicopter dropped two bombs onto the roof of the MOVE compound, a townhouse located at 6221 Osage Avenue.[3][4] The resulting fire killed six MOVE members and five of their children, and destroyed 65 houses in the neighborhood.[5]

      The “city” was found to have used excessive force, and compensation in these cases comes from taxpayer money.