I often hear, “You should never cheap out on a good office chair, shoes, underpants, backpack etc…” but what are some items that you would feel OK to cheap out on?
This can by anything from items such as: expensive clothing brands to general groceries.
Things which are commodity items, such as sugar, all-purpose flour, etc. I buy store brand. The main difference is marketing.
Oh, here’s one: Power tools. Yeah I know, I know. But…
here’s a Porter-Cable branded 6-inch jointer on sale for $365 at time of writing.
Here’s a Craftsman branded jointer being sold for $299.
Here’s a Wen branded jointer for $241.
Look at the three of them. They bear a striking resemblance, don’t they? Makes sense for the Porter Cable/Craftsman ones, both brands are currently owned by Stanley, Black and Decker…but Wen has nothing to do with them, yet they’re selling the same fuggin’ jointer. Admittedly without the speed control, but what do you need a speed control on a jointer for?
It’s the same tool made in the same factory in China, the cost difference is what logo you’re willing to pay for.
A rule that I stole for tools is to buy a used or cheap one. If it breaks I buy the better version. If it don’t break then I don’t need it at all.
yeah thats a great stategy. Not sure where you are but in Europe, Aldi and Lidl have the notorious “center isle” where one can buy hand and bench tools, all the way up to band saws.
I broke my shitty center isle heat gun and now have a makita, outgrew my butane soldering iron and now have a webber, but I’m still rocking my center isle reciprecating saw and circular saw cause they work just fine and I dont use them enough.
We have the aldi centre isle in Australia as well! 😀
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Harbor Freight first. If it breaks then Festool.
Just kidding. I can’t afford Festool. If the Hercules breaks I get Makita. So far I haven’t had one break. Though I probably need to get the corded circular saw because even the best battery ones choke on wet treated boards.
In the US, DeWalt and Milwaukee are tradesman-grade tools if you get the 18V-20V versions. But I agree that the average person can buy any Ryobi or Harbor Freight special and get by fine.
At minimum the cheap ones have lower QA tolerances on components. Sometimes they straight up swap in shittier components (eg: plastic instead of metal, etc).
Not saying you always need the most expensive option when choosing power tools, but looks same != same.
I agree. For power tools, especially where decent accuracy is key like it is with a jointer, definitely more of a “do your research, price is not equal to quality,” not “you can do fine with any cheap one.”
Smartphones. Most people don’t need to buy the latest and greatest iPhone every year.
Going to respectfully disagree here. Outside of my glasses, my phone is the tool I use most often, many times daily. It’s worth getting a quality device, and if there’s an issue with the current one (battery, cracked screen etc) it’s worth replacing. But you’re right, it doesn’t need replacing just for the sake of newness.
Gonna respectfully disagree back at you. You don’t have to get a $100 crapsung, but most people whose work depends on a good phone still don’t need a $2000 top of the line phone.
An iPhone SE or Pixel ?a phone is more than sufficient for almost anyone anything more I’m probably going to call opulence.
Well the prompt was what are things you should cheap out on. I have a pixel 6, I think it was $600 or something like that? But to me cheaping out on a phone would be like a $100 device.
Because of how often I use it, it’s worth it to me to not have bloatware, to have a good camera, for the battery to last, resistant to water, etc.
Pixel 7a is currently $500 new, so good mid tier device. https://store.google.com/us/product/pixel_7a
But really what you should do is get a used mid or top tier phone that’s one or two generations behind. Depreciation on phones is so great that you get a lot of bang for your buck.
For example mint condition Pixel 7 is $300
https://swappa.com/listings/google-pixel-7?carrier=&color=&storage=&modeln=&condition=mint&sort=
Think outside the box. Get a previous generation. Pixel 8 was about to be released. To move inventory, Google discounted the 7 series by like 30-40%. I got the 256GB 7 Pro for $600. Without the sale, $600 is the same price as the 128GB 7. I got a top of the range flagship phone for the cost of a midrange. My mom did something similar with a Samsung phone. She got an S20 when the S22 released. Huge discount when Verizon offered it for $449.
Lemmy hates Apple, but my five year old iPhone XS Max is still beastly fast, and I have like 40k pictures and all of my texts back nine years on it.
Better make a backup of those pics sooner than later
The beauty of iTunes (and the ONLY good thing about iTunes) is that I can make an encrypted incremental backup image of exactly what’s on my phone with one click.
Those pics have always been backed up.
The oldest pics are from my previous iPhone, so maybe eight years ago?
When I get a new phone (maybe soon, now that USB-C) I just plug into my computer and now my new phone is the same exact phone and layout as this phone, with all pictures and texts and files and everything.
There’s a reason my phone has no trouble with the Roku, works immediately when I use microHDMI, and gets updates for games on time and my roommate’s does not. Hardly a day passes where I’m not convinced he’s relegated to a worse quality of life because his phone just isn’t allowed to do things right. His phone doesn’t even run the transit app properly.
Now I’m not saying but a new phone every year for the incremental improvement, but don’t get something from a crap factory pushing high volume for small margins. Get something good.
Don’t tell people that!
I always get a refurbished phone which are last years model that someone traded in when they got the newest and greatest thing. If people stopped doing this I might have to actually shell out for a new phone!
I’m on my phone 8 hours a day. Quality counts. Slow is bad. Lacking features is bad. Crappy cameras are bad. Get a good phone. Use it until one of the following happens:
- It no longer gets security updates
- There is a new built-in hardware feature that will actually improve the quality of your life because you’ve been wanting it forever
- You break it or the battery performance starts to suck too much.
For me it’s just the last one that counts.
Just for my personal understanding. How often have you heard about security issues from missing updates in older phones? In real life, I mean, not in some blog or video? I’m having a hard time finding any information about real cases. There are hundreds of articles from tech-sites and security companies.
To me it feels like selling pick-proof locks, a market without actual use-cases. You can pick them all anyway, but nobody actually does it.
Unlike the good ol’ malwares that let you know that you’re infected by deleting your files or messing up your system, modern malware authors are profit-oriented and will do everything they can to make you unaware that your devices are infected. Then they’ll exfiltrate your data and sell them on various underground marketplace such as this one.
Definitely. If you know your device is infected then someone drastically messed up. The new stuff isn’t like the old stuff.
I used to do phone security for a living. I’ve seen a handful of cases in person. The bigger issue is that most of the time you don’t know it was the phone that caused your problems. One day your bank is drained and you don’t know why.
There have been several zero days that gave anyone that wanted to the ability to own your phone with a text that you never even saw because the phone doesn’t show you command texts.
I’m on my phone 8 hours a day.
That is generally not good and shouldn’t be common. I’d argue folks should consider whether a nice phone will lead to overuse, and if so, buying a cheaper phone.
Before I had a phone I was on a computer for all that time. And before that I was reading in bed for all that time. And before that I was watching TV for all of that time. This is so much healthier than anything else I’ve done in 5 decades.
Just to be clear, I wasn’t trying to be critical of you. I know some people can’t actually reduce their screen time due to their job or way of life. I’m curious though, could you elaborate on what you mean by this being healthier for you?
I used to sit, or lay, for all those hours. Now I’m up moving around. Talking to my geese, trimming trees, painting rooms, figuring out what some idiot electrician did 60 years ago that’s causing me a problem today (stupid loopbacks and hot neutrals, aluminum wiring optional), going someplace to hike and get the physical therapy I need after breaking my back falling off a ladder, etc. Living life while managing my ADHD and still consuming massive info dumps while also having one of the 200 podcasts I listen to play in my ear at 2.5x speed.
I’ve adopted a policy of buying the latest iPhone every 5 years, which is about how long they tend to last in my experience. So far it’s worked out well.
I usually try to stay about 3–5 years behind whatever the newest one is. It’s good enough for what I need and helluvalot cheaper than current phone prices.
Another way to do that is one year old manufacturer refurbished phones. I generally spend $250-$300 for a year old phone that will last me 4-5 years
I second this, especially with Android you can breath new life into a phone by installing a custom ROM
What if my phone isn’t supported by any ROMs? Is there an easier alternative to building it for your device on your own, following the given instructions, for example?
Sadly the best bet is to only buy devices that you know have good custom ROM support
I’m in that situation right now with my OnePlus N10, the plan is to buy a second hand device that is supported by LineageOS
breath new life into a phone by installing a custom ROM
Smh Nope, you don’t want to go down this ROM hole!
Why?
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Damn right. I bought myself a redmi note 12 last year and now I am back to using my 5 year old OnePlus 6 with lineage OS as it just runs better somehow.
You should try replacing LineageOS with DivestOS, it’s a much more secure build of Los.
Also, the oneplus 6 is such a great phone
It is the one device most people use literally all day everyday. Having a great one is worth the money. But it does not need replaced every year. Mine is 4 years old and still works like new (one battery replacement). I will likely replace it next year.
What phones would you consider worthwhile in terms of price, i.e. those you can cheap out on, but not suffer the consequences of it being slow even in the simplest tasks?
One Android phone I had, Nokia 5.1, had to be replaced in less than 5 years because it often froze and lagged when I had to make or receive a phone call, open a single tab in some light-weight browser, etc.
I’m not a big fan of the smartphone industry and especially the reviewers because they seem to have a very twisted idea of a budget device. Or maybe I’m a cheapskate.
To combat this generally, you can buy one with more RAM. Also, right now there is a bit of a “race to the top” for longest phone support with Google announcing 7 years of support in November. Repairability is coming around too, which is great for replacing old batteries and broken charging ports.
Yes and no. For apple you can use their phones for quite a long time securely. For Android that is a very different story. As far as I know only Google with their new pixel phones and Samsung have offered more than 2 years of updates. After that time your phone becomes a security risk. So make sure your devices receives updates or can be used with a custom ROM (though that can be insecure as well).
It’s 2 years of FEATURE updates, usually longer for security.
Sometimes. It depends on the manufacturer. Some do more some don’t promise anything. You have to know what you have. Also the support time starts usually at the start of sale not at the time of purchase. That means if you buy a new phone that was released a year ago on clearance or something you might have only half the time.
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yeah, are y’all just rawdogging the Internet? i like Blokada (the free one) + Hypatia for my adblocker/antivirus combo, and it works just fine. i practice good Internet “hygiene” and have never had a problem. idk how all that works with Apple stuff, though.
Your phone is rawdogging all it’s connections. It can receive SMS and Phone calls without your intervention. There have been several zero-click bugs in the past that allowed injecting malicious code into your phone without any interaction.
There have been a few bugs in the past years that let you take over a phone without user interaction. There was one where you only need to receive an SMS (it was invisible even) and your phone is infected. Another one was a vulnerability in wifi calling and voice over lte.
A phone is not a passive device that only gets something when you request it. You take also it with you to public places, use it in open wifi networks and you get calls. All that while being used for security critical stuff like 2FA, banking and payment.
You shouldn’t use a phone without current security updates for much more than calling. It is a time bomb. If you want to educate yourself further you should look at “zero click vulnerabilities”.
And if you happen to be in Vegas during Def con you should probably just turn off your phone and leave it in the room.
Decorations, jeweleries, basically any nonfunctional items, things that you can live without it, things that you don’t have to “use”.
Fashion clothes, if you’re getting something that you’ll wear for one summer and then never again then Primark is fine.
Salt, sugar, most herbs and spices, it’s all the same stuff regardless of brands
Some snacks, often crisps are the same Aldi own brand as Walkers or whatever, or they’re perfectly good. Yes we all want some kettle chips sometimes but it’s all good, same for jelly sweets, a lot of chocolate, etc.
Hobbies for beginners, if you want to take up knitting then start with a cheap kit and upgrade as you get more serious.
Fashion clothes
Better yet: buy long-lasting stuff that is ethically produced. Primark is notoriously bad in this regard — but most fast fashion stores are.
It depends how much you plan to use it. If you’re going to wear something a few times then a long lasting piece of clothing is wasteful.
Hobbies for beginners, if you want to take up knitting then start with a cheap kit and upgrade as you get more serious.
This is the big one. If you’re starting a new hobby, it’s easy to fall into the trap of buying loads of expensive kit because it’s shiny and new. Buy the cheaper versions first and learn what you actually need. If you need to upgrade then, at least you know what to buy.
Obviously this doesn’t apply to safety kit 👍
I find the opposite with some hobbies. If you buy a cheap acoustic guitar it’s going to be horrible to play and will probably sound crap. That might discourage you from continuing. More expensive guitars have a much better resale value too, so you’d probably be out of pocket for less if you buy a nice one and sell it again than if you bought a crap one and no one else wanted to buy it.
I began learning on a cheap acoustic that made it incredibly hard to play, but I never knew any better.
Many years later, I was given a nicer acoustic and I realized how much easier it was to play. Suddenly the F chord wasn’t such a monster to hold down.
I feel like the cheap acoustic absolutely stunted my learning, and possibly caused me to pick up bad habits. But I still have it cause it was my first guitar and kinda like the sound of it. But holy shit, it’s still hard for me to play it
I kinda agree. Knitting is the go-to for this advice, which makes sense. It gets crazy expensive crazy fast. But starting out with shitty yarn and needles makes the whole thing miserable. Same with a lot of other crafting and baking. Using low quality materials results in an unsatisfying product, and low quality tools make for an unsatisfying learning process.
I generally recommend letting yourself buy something nice-but-not-luxury that you’re excited about, but keeping those initial investments really limited in scope. Buy one nice(ish) pair of needles and just enough nice(ish) yarn to make a specific project. You don’t want to go broke for something you end up hating, but you do want to be able to know whether you hate the actual hobby or you just hate doing that hobby badly.
Nah, buy a used guitar for $50 and try it out. Most people trying out new hobbies give up after a short time.
Absolutely, and you’ll know what you like. I started walking a few years back and bought expensive shoes for my first walk but realised I like ankle support so only 6 months later I had to buy expensive boots.
Buying previous generation products. I got something like a Braun series 5 instead of the newest series 9, as there isn’t that much difference.
First date. If you just want to get laid, go lavish, no problem.
But if you want to find a long-term partner, take her on a cheap first date. Like, coffee and a walk through the park.
If you buy a flagship for the cameras, buy last year’s flagship second hand. You will end up spending half the money. Plus more or less all flagships have atleast 4 years of security updates, so you can use it for 3 years or longer comfortably.
Flagship cameras have started to peak with this year, atleast on the Chinese end. American ones have to catchup for a few years. And in 3 years or so, we could see them trickle down to budget midrange $300 phones, atleast outside of USA, where anticapitalist freedom exists.
Chinese end.
anticapitalist freedom
This is odd to see in the same comment.
Well, China is evidently not focused on money grubbing and wallet lynching, the way Western capitalist economies are, so…
Yeah, but Chinese private companies are still that, private companies that are profit driven. There’s exciting and even cheap to buy stuff coming out of China, like IEMs for example, but it’s still a good ideia to keep expectations in check for the motivation of these companies.
Being profit driven is a meaningless term. Apple and Hifiman are by no means equally profit driven. If that seems like an odd comparison, Apple and Huawei make equally well polished smartphones, watches and products, yet Huawei is about 20x smaller in net worth.
China is responsible for allowing most of the world to be able to buy and own good quality products without the 10-20x markups that American companies tend to have. They have captured over half the world’s EV market and are scaling up with EV cars they are making, with very affordable and safe ones being made. They are making everything, not just IEMs. They make kilobuck top end headphones that rival Grados.
I agree with you, I was just giving a simple example of more simple product, I didn’t mean to imply that the relations are exactly the same to the ones in a capitalist country, neither that China isn’t responsible for basically all the production in the world and affordable access to said production.
Still, while most private companies can’t just do whatever they want like in the rest of the world, the fact of the matter is that profit is still the primary concern for a lot of consumer products made in China, and it’s something worth to keep in mind. The existence of gacha games like Genshin are a perfect example of this.
No other country has kneecapped its own industries, especially video gaming industry. There are others like real estate, private tuition and other sectors which Chinese government clamped down on, and is well known to hang corrupt millionaires and billionaires. Meanwhile, such people in West hang (used to) around on Epstein’s private island and do such stuff and are worshipped.
Genshin, despite being a gacha, is nowhere as greedy as something like Dokkan. Dokkan makes 16% revenue of Dragonball franchise IP total revenue. I am a F2P Dokkan player for almost 7 years now, not spent a dime, but if you chose to buy ingame currency for summoning units, one multisummon costs $40. And the banner rates are 0.5-1% per new unit. That is not apologia for Genshin though, as I never played Genshin or Honkai, and gacha lootbox/DLC/IAP gaming industry is nasty, no matter where it is. It is not sensible to blame China for gacha, when Japan created gacha, and Western gaming companies are infamous for IAP and DLC tactics for quarter profitmaxxing.
Again, I agree and I’m aware of the stuff you talk in the first paragraph. I’m from Lemmygrad, I defend China as an AES country.
Now for the second paragraph, I’m not trying to blame China for gacha, I’m just pointing it out as an issue that also exists there. That comes with their acceptance of capital, and is something they can be criticized for. My criticism is not to belittle them, but because I believe they can do better.
There was recent news of China clamping down on lootboxes and predatory monetization in gaming, which would be great and would set a precedent for the rest of the world, but last I saw they walked back on it.
I don’t play Genshin, I only used it as an example, but I play League Of Legends, which is owned by Riot Games that is owned by Tencent and recently there has been the inclusion of gacha mechanics for skins that heavily relies on fomo for people to spend money on, and it’s really expensive. Meanwhile Riot also just fired 530 people worldwide and killed multiple projects and iniciatives inside the company, while starving other projects too. This is a billion dollar worth company owned by Tencent, and it all deserves criticism like any other games and companies.
Excuse my ignorance, why would I need to worry about security updates on a camera?
I was speaking about phones… and I accidentally ended up with a Freudian slip, because smartphones are more like cameras with a calling ability nowadays.
I realise it’s the opposite of what you’re asking, but:
Honestly it doesn’t really matter what it is, if it’s something you are going to rely on, don’t cheap out on it if you can afford not to.
Pretty much every non-consumable product category has a low end of cheap shit that is not worth anyone’s money.
Also, and this only really applies to big electrical items: if you can be bothered, find someone who repairs the kind of thing you’re trying to buy and ask them what the best made brands and models are. They are the people that will know better than anyone else what is built to last and what is built to be replaced when the warranty expires.
Honestly it doesn’t really matter what it is, if it’s something you are going to rely on, don’t cheap out on it if you can afford not to.
But that’s the whole point of this post. Pointing out situations where this logic doesn’t hold up. And there are for sure situations where it doesn’t. The expensive version of some things really aren’t worth the extra money at all.
There’s a price to quality/value/utility bell curve to be identified for everything basically and even if some expensive (for example 3x priced) thing is higher quality than the cheap version that costs 1/3 the price, it very well may not at all by any measure be 3x as good/reliable/etc.
Oh yeah, I’m not saying always go for the high end, mid range is often perfectly fine. I’ll highlight I’m talking about non-consumable products which you will rely on.
If it’s something consumable, the low-mid range often has minimal practical variation due to market forces. If it’s not something you’re going to rely on, you don’t need to care too much if it’s gonna break itself or whatever you’re using it for.
Excuse the tautology, but anything you’re relying on, needs to be reliable. If the low end is reliable enough for that, market forces unfortunately dictate that a worse version must be made for cheaper, because that it-doesn’t-need-to-be-reliable demographic is not currently being saturated.
It’s kinda away from my original point, but it’s also very important—if we can afford it, we should be buying the longest lasting versions of everything we need, we generate an unreasonable amount of waste currently due to the proliferation of planned obsolescence and disposable consumerism. It’s not a bargain in the long term if we turn the planet into an oven.
The whole point is that “value for money” is not constant across products or kinds of products. The post is asking to optimize value while minimizing cost. It is a reasonable enough question to have legitimate answers.
I don’t think I got my point across clearly then, apologies:
I was answering the question “what products would you be okay cheaping out on?” with basically “out of non-consumables, only things I don’t want to rely on if I can afford it”. For me “cheaping out” means going for the low-end, cheapest option.
I then tried to explain why, that in a free-market economy, market forces ensure the low end will pretty much always be borderline-useless waste and therefore IMO not worth any amount of money for anyone expecting something reliable. This is not unique to a specific set of products, this applies to everything that has a choice between different models and brands of the same product, because nearly always, the cheaper and worse option is rewarded by increased profit margins and/or sales volume and reduced sales for competitors. This is because humans psychologically love the feeling of getting something for less even if what they’re getting is worse, that feeling can short-cut a load of our usual reasoning and manipulate how we spend our money.
Back to my opinion again though: I personally can’t think of anything really that I’d want to buy but not want to also be reliable, where the reliable option wasn’t prohibitively expensive—so, I can’t really give a more specific list of items. Tbh, unless I had an urgent need for something and lacked the funds for something that would last, I think I would most likely wait rather than cheap out.
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Buy used stuff and learn by doing. Computer upgrades, smartphone repairs, cars to some extent and a ton of other stuff
From my experience so far most things in life can be found cheap, moderate price and expensively priced. However there’s a point of diminishing returns on your investment ie after that point you could spend loads for marginal gains. Find this point see where on the graph you can afford it.
Somebody on lemmy shared this and opened my eyes: https://youtu.be/_rBO8neWw04
TLDW; buy detergent power for your dish washer and fill both holes. Cheaper and wayyyy better cleaning prowess.
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Which holes?
See video but the ones wheee you put the detergent pack
Soap of any kind. It’s fine if you want a certain smell, but at the end of the day it all works the same. Goes for hand soap, shampoo, detergent, body wash, etc.
Medicine: the branded stuff is normally exactly the same but many times the price.
Always compare active ingredients for OTC stuff too
When I go to the pharmacy I always ask for the cheapest generic drug product of Ibuprofen or whatever I need, it’s a couple of euroes cheaper.
Here in Sweden they always ask: “Do you want the cheapest option?” when you buy prescribed medicine. If there’s a reason for a specific manufacturer then that’s stated on the prescription.
I’ve even had them say that the drugstore I’m at is out of the cheapest option and then ask if I want them to look up which drugstore is closest that has it in stock and if they should send them a note to save what I’m looking for so there’s no chance it might sell out before I get there.And there’s also high-cost protection, an annual maximum amount (about $275) you can spend on prescribed medication and anything else healthcare-related. So any medication you buy and the cost of any medical services you use are added together and if that cost reaches the maximum amount within a year everything is free until the next year. So basically you can’t pay more than $275 per year for medication and any other medical services.
Not that drugs are expensive in the EU compared to the US…not even relatively close!
I mean, sure. But store bought ibuprofen? It’s $9 for 500 count 500mg bottle off Amazon.
We only charge extra for life saving drugs, normal stuff is cheaper than dirt.
You get ibuprofen in what ? 500 pack ?! Surely there is enough to kill yourself with this amount. How do you even finish it before it expire ?
As I understand it, most of them don’t actually expire
Depends on the size of the household, ages and activities of people living there. Plus depending on the product and storage, most expiration dates have some wiggle room.
Over the counter stuff in the EU does tend to be more expensive here than the US in my experience. Definitely here in the Netherlands but also noticed this in Spain and Germany.
One thing the US is good about is selling you a huge fucking bottle of something like Ibuprofen for basically nothing. Here in the NL they really like only selling you a 12 pack of it for the same price. It’s annoying as shit.
Spain I can get the powdered Ibuprofen 400mg for about 2/3€, which I really prefer over the pill, and you get about 20 packets.
I agree with the huge US bottles, but personally the powder gets old and usually clumps up before i finish them all and I end up buying a new pack.
I had no idea one could buy powdered ibuprofen. What’s the advantage? Advil’s marketing suggests you need special technology to deliver the medicine to the correct point in your digestive system.
Yeah, it’s actually more mild than the pill form, and acts SO much faster, most times you can feel the headache just fade away.
I used to pop aspirin and Excedrin for migraines but found out (the hard way) it’s no bueno for your stomach, so I have to use these sparingly. We also have 1g Acetaminophen (Tylenol) horse size pills, but it doesn’t do anything/help the pain for me anymore.
In the US you can get a bottle of 500 ibuprofen 200mg pills for about $10.
So for your case that’s 8000mg for 3 euros or .0375 cents a mg
In the US that would be 100,000mg for $10 or .01 cents a mg.
So 3.75x more expensive not factoring in the Euro being higher on the dollar.
But it’s not even about the price, it’s the fact that it’s just hard to find a large bottle of it here in the EU at all (at least the Netherlands where I am now). I’ve never really seen it in stores. I much prefer buying a bulk bottle that lasts a year or two easily.
Yeah I mean I get it, but still don’t/can’t use 500 before they expire anyway…plus since I only buy them every couple for years I’m not the expert on the price. Just an anecdote…please don’t quote me.
They have an expiration date of 4-5 years, so not really an issue. I just think it’s a waste of my time to go to the store to get a 10-20 pack and also a waste of space and a waste of packaging.
Small annoyance overall I know, but it’s one of my gripes about over the counter medicine here.
Edit: more annoying is that more hardcore cold medicine is not sold over the counter here at all. Anything with pseudoephedrine is prescription only. Also the sort of actually effective decongestants and antihistimes are all prescription only if they’re even legal at all here.
But what’s funny is despite that, I can literally walk into the grocery store and buy codeine cough syrup right off the shelf without asking anybody or showing ID. It seems ridiculous to me.
One of the big ones for me is non denim pants. I went through a phase where I got into somewhat more expensive clothes for a bit. Not like flashy stuff, but like just like presumably high quality stuff that wasn’t so mass produced and in many cases, specifically made in the the US.
Well for some reason or another a bunch of the pants I bought in that period of time just did not hold up at all. Lots of various problems including buttons falling off, seams splitting, holes in pockets. And not just from one brand either.
Well I buy pants from places like H&M now and they all last me a long time. I’ve got pants I’ve owned for 5+ years and worn quite a lot and they’re still in great condition. And I paid like $30 for them.
Maybe I had bad luck with the nice pants back then, idk. But the price/value equation does not work out for me whatsoever. I’ve had somewhat similar experiences with casual button down shirts. My Uniqlo shirts have held up a lot longer than shirts I’ve spent like 3-5x the money for. But it hasn’t been as extreme as my experience with nicer pants.
Stuff like shoes and jackets on the other hand, I prefer to spend a little more for quality.
I switched to the store brand breakfast cereals. Never going back to Kellogg’s again. The store brand ones near me are so good. And they’re made with better ingredients like cane sugar over corn syrup and shit.
We eat generic all the time, but I will say that frosted flakes and honey nut Cheerios do taste a bit better with the name brand. Luckily, they’re really cheap a couple times a year and I’ll buy a couple boxes then that last me pretty much until they’re on mega sale again
I agree, even the ingredients part, except referring to color/flavor additives.
But cane sugar is an utter “word trick” that means absolute nothing. It is just as processed, and is exactly as good for you, as corn syrup. It’s an example of “health theater” that companies do with labeling.
You know why it hurts so much? Because we know it’s true.
Damn you. But bless you too.
If you live in an area with a store like a dollar store/tree/general, getting snack foods from there is cheaper than going to a normal grocery store like Walmart. At least it is where I live.
I don’t know if it’s changed prices in other places with these types of stores, but at $1.25 for generic thin mint cookies, that isn’t a terrible deal at all if you ask me.
