At this point I’m convinced that the new windows feature announcements are just ads for linux
*Ads for MacOS/chromeos
This is what happens when they know you won’t leave.
“But muh games…and Linux is too difficult and weird”
I say to those: well then you’ve made your choice, didn’t you? It’s going to keep happening, like it’s been since the 90s.
I may be spoiled in that I don’t play AAA multiplayer games, but I do play AAA single player and indie single/multiplayer (usually the type where one of the players is also the server, e.g. Terraria).
Been running Linux on my systems for more than a decade, and - especially since Proton/SteamDeck enchantments made their way upstream - I haven’t had any major ssues (except having to wait a while to play RDR2-PC in Ubuntu because of a weird game-specific graphics card driver issue, but even that was fixed in due course).
Fuck Windows, and fuck the assertion that it’s the only way to run games.
Again it might be that I pretty much don’t play competitive online games because if there’s anything that ruins gaming it’s random strangers, but I have had practically no problem playing games over the last ten years.
Proton really did marvelous shit.
Made it so easy that even an idiot (like me) could get games running on linux without much headache. Especially nowadays, even big game titles working almost flawlessly on release day.
What about people who needs NURBS tools and Affinity/Adobe class art softwares? Where do they go that corporations decided Windows and Mac are only to be supported? And believe me, plenty of them hates Windoze and I’m one of them.
Develop own software or support indepndent sw development however you can.
If you really need something, think about your personal dependencies and try to build some resilience / backups , one way or another.
Whatever your craft, a pathway towards ownership and control of tools and maintenance should be a traditional part of mastering the craft.
So that you can eventually do things like extend the toolset, or adapt tools to niche circumstances and advance things along.If you don’t have that pathway, then you might end up trapped as an apprentice or journeyperson and will continue to be exploited by those who control the things you depend on.
If there’s no freedom and no way to develop competition in the supply chain, then you probably would benefit from - collective organisations such as trades-guilds, or professional associations or trade-unions to counter the power imbalance, and represent your needs - but they can also get captured/bribed so those probably need a bit of effective democracy / transparency/accountability or something. I’m not going to suggest govt regulation, becasuse that’s super easy to capture and national-election democracy is a weak control, but you might get some progressive govts like some European ones that’d think about doing something suppoting foss projects, maybe.It might not be easy, but you have to look for and support those types of features for the good of your industry.
Corps will eat their industry for a quick $, it’s the workers, tradespeople and masters of the craft and some small businesses who care about the long term. And maybe any enlightened customers if you’re lucky enough to have them.As an example, for physical 3d cad, personally I don’t like freecad much it’s complex and not very intuitive; but it lets me do all the maths I want in python, with my own made up data structures / object model. So i’ll use and support freecad 100% over all the other more user friendly CAD that i’ve seen - it really is the freedom, and not being so dependant.
Dual boot if you’re up for it.
Dual booting kinda sucks. It fragments your workflow and it is pretty disruptive compared to just being able to move to whatever you need to move to.
Run windows on a VM.
That’s better but assuming they have a system that can run windows in a VM at native resolution it’s still a broken workflow that won’t attract people to Linux.
Look Linux is my daily driver, my entire lab is Linux. We use a combination of Debian, fedora, and rhel. I’m not opposed to using other distros. It’s okay for working with my peers who are on windows but not the best. Easy enough to work around.
However if an important part of your workflow requires Windows, Adobe, Autodesk, the murky shit of office products, etc., then arguing for dual booting, using a VM , or a different computer isn’t going to win people to Linux. It makes proponents seem silly
Why does it have to be one tool though? More of a complaint to business in that they don’t let you use other tools.
Sure and that sucks but that’s reality
Yep,dual boot.
Those will not run under/with emulation?
Solidworks/Rhino probably can work under VM, but I don’t know.
Autodesk seems to be inconsistent with emulation. I can make fusion 360 run but not other tools.
My issue is more Rhino and Solidworks. If Blender actually can render NURBS and retesselate from NURBS to polygon, I can pretty much ditch Autodesk Maya as that’s the only reason I use Autodesk Maya.
Why is the target of your comment towards people that use Windows?
I am not sure why People on Lemmy feel like if they point something out to people who can’t see the comment is going to get them to change their mind.
I have and use both Linux and Windows. I prefer both for different reasons.
I know I’m talking into the void. I’m not trying to change anyone’s mind. I’m too tired of trying to do that. Just trying to get people to realize they made the choices they have to live with.
I don’t see any enshitiffication features and ads in Windows 11 that Lemmy and tech news are reporting. I wonder if it’s because I’m in the EU.
They may have not implemented it yet. I see a lot of things reported that they are still testing.
Yeah, the start menu ads were / are ‘only’ in the beta build.
New features get released into the developer preview. It’s basically beta test windows. It’s what the tech sites watch to see what new features/etc have been added/removed/changed. Usually they end up making it into the release builds, but sometimes they end up not doing it, or the change doesn’t apply to certain regions.
Question: if you skipped signing in to Microsoft when you set up Windows, does this f’upgrade still happen?
I’ve held off on saying it until now (I haven’t), but now I’m going to call it (again):
This is the year of the Linux Desktop.
(It feels like someone influential at Microsoft is trying to protect my reputation and force my prediction to come true.)
What does that mean. What does “the year of the Linux desktop” mean, really? And why is it different than last year?
It means that this year, Linux on desktop will make big strides (again)!
And why is it different than last year?
When I declared it last year, I was a year early, because this year will be bigger.
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If not for Easy Anti-cheat
Linux, through Steam, has EAC.
Just search the Steam store (it’s free).
Still depends on the specific game dev enabling the linux support option, which many seem to not want to do.
Aware, but it’s worked for the games that’s required it so far for me. Worth a try.
I finally switched my gaming rig two weeks ago. Been great so far, except VR and I’ll admit, the Xbox Game Pass missing…I wish gog or someone would come up with something like it, because there have been a lot of games I started and didn’t finish because they just haven’t been my cup of tea…
Now if Autodesk would get their shit together as well, things could be happening at work as well.
I think subscription would go against gog and its DRM policy (how would they enforce a subscription period without DRM), specially because gog is like the last place where we can have something that resembles owning a game nowadays.
That’s why I said “someone” and “something”, because I’ll be the first to admit I have absolutely no clue on how that would look like. Humble Bundle Choice is something I do like, but it’s steam only…while that’s cool in terms of proton, steam deck and so on, Steam is still a service that has to work, because without I can’t use the products. With gog I can just save those files and use them whenever and wherever I need to… Windows, Linux…doesn’t matter much.
i had gamepass working via browser on my computer.
my controller, on the other hand, never worked in the browser, so it kinda made it pointless thatn gamepass worked
Different Game Pass - talking about the one where you run the games locally…
I want my power button to cut off the power instantly. I want my log off button to be instant. Add any delay and I start pulling cables!!!
I got to go, lock this computer, so I can do a thing! Oh shit, its not locking… fuck… Security says I can’t leave a unlocked console… POWER!
Adding needless friction is terrible! Don’t do it.
At work, when I did desktop support, the number of people who would just hit their power bar when they left every day…
Alpha move right there
Win+L to immediately lock a windows machine. You can get the logout dialogue with alt+F4
KDE Plasma uses largely all the same shortcuts as windows. The most important ones in my opinion being super+arrow keys to move and tile windows.
Is that bad for the computer? Because I didn’t even think about this in a corporate environment until your comment. All our employees would be pulling cords or batteries, they all march out at exactly 430.
any unwritten data would be lost, perhaps some file system updates get out of sync, but it shouldn’t be a big problem.
It is very easy to corrupt files doing this.
A proper journaling filesystem should handle this, but I hardly trust NTFS as it is.
Journaling should make sure that the file system itself doesn’t corrupt, but journaling doesn’t magically make all writes atomic. If a program is halfway through writing a file and the power is cut, that file will be corrupt.
As a user. When I want the computer to shut down. I’ve got my programs already closed. I really don’t care if there’s a half open log file or some telemetry isn’t properly recorded. It needs to shut down now.
By default, Linux can take up to 15 seconds to write a file to disk, this is for power saving reasons. You could corrupt the last document/photo you saved, your browser profile, or your nextcloud sync.
Linux usually shuts down immediately if you don’t have any unsaved files and nothing glitches out during shut down. But yeah, windows sucks, corrupt files is probably the least of your problems using Windows.
I guess on Linux, if you run
syncto write all cached files to disk, and then pull the cord, you’re probably fine.
This sound like something they would totally do.
Next up, an ad anytime an executable is run!
Everything could be operated by ads. Run a program? Watch an ad. Open the start menu? Watch an ad.
You don’t HAVE to watch the ads, just subscribe to Windows 11 platinum for 20$ a month. /s
Are you sure you want to run an untrusted executable? Microsoft Store contains lots of safe, curated apps that are 100% definitely not crappy ad-filled spyware.
Jesus Fucking Christ. They really want people to switch to Linux, don’t they?
Microsoft should stop trying to become another Apple. This is not going to work.
as soon as they require a microsoft account to use versions of windows, they are apple… minus the mobile, but plus a metric shittone of things apple doesnt.
not that any of that is good, microsoft should die in a fire… but theyve spent 20 years building an OS-as-a-service platform and its coming to fruition. they might be slow, but rest assured they will get their captured, vertically integrated audience.
You don’t need an apple account to use a Mac. If you just want to enter a username and set a password, that’s all you need to do. If you want everything synced between another Mac or iPhone and so on, sign into iCloud. But you don’t HAVE to, just skip it.
I tried building a Steam box with the bootleg version of SteamOS from the deck… Can’t remember the name of the distro. Steam Games ran great for the most part, but getting Epic, EA and Ubisoft to work was a nightmare. If Linux can get that sorted, I’d never use Windows again.
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Most EA and Ubisoft games I’ve played run fine on Deck. Just need to run the game in desktop mode first and then it boots in the Steam UI side of the OS just fine.
I run both the Epic Store as well as the EA App via Bottles, and I had both up and running in about ten minutes.
You can also install both launchers under Steam via Proton. The process is a little more involved, but far from difficult.
What games were you trying to play
Epic runs nice using Lutris 😃😃
I want able to get it to work unfortunately. This was a few years ago though.
I have really tried getting epic to work, but both ea and Ubisoft launchers work quite well now through Lutris
Strange, was it recently?? My Epic install have been working for years (installed again a few times)
I just realized that I missed a word. I have not tried getting epic to work. Sorry for the confusion 😅
HOhOHOhoHOh no problem. Anything, just ask 😁
Different now - works flawless with lutris
I mean doesn’t sound like you’re missing out on anything tbh
I wanted to say this, but I mean, people can choose to consume garbage if they want
Right. Snob all you want, but I thoroughly enjoyed Div1 and 2. AC Origins was also a lot of fun, especially for someone that grew up fascinated by ancient Egypt.
Civ6 is on EGS… Battlefield 1and5 on EA, plus the Mass Effect series…
But hey… Those games are awful, right… The chi chamber is loud today.
Are those games not available on Steam and GoG? And like I said, you do you. I cant stand EA and Epic, but everyone has their own lines in the sand that they will or wont cross. I specifically called EA and Epic garbage though, not the customers who’d be willing to do business with them
You don’t need the bootlegged version of SteamOS, there is ChimeraOS (GitHub).
Also Steam runs great on a lot of distros, I use
ArchMint btw. ;-)For Epic Games, GOG and Amazon you can use Heroic Games Launcher (GitHub).
Heroic is amazing. Rather than running the crappy Epic client via Wine, you just install this native piece of software that then launches each game via Wine/Proton/whatever else and pretty much just works every time, complete with things like EAC
Bottles and Lutris would help in this case for you.
It didn’t work before, maybe I’ll try it again when I have the time.
Yeah, it’s definitely better now then it was before believe it or not. I honestly just avoid them at all cost even on windows. I hate games that ship their own launcher even though I bought it on steam
So, literally every game I’ve bought on steam is playable on my Manjaro box.
Additionally, a recent KDE6 upgrade messed up my config and necessitated a full system reinstall. After remounting the partition where my steam games were installed on in the old sys, they…just worked. Even the ones that don’t cloud sync, saved games all there, DLC all there.
I don’t know how long reinstalling ~1TB of games would take on windows… a lot? Pretty sure you have to fully reinstall them, not just “point steam to the drive where they live”
Frankly I just don’t see why people tolerate windows anymore. It’s just laughably bad.
I used to keep my steam games on a separate windows 10 partition and it worked exactly as you describe after a reinstall, it was all there. It’s still incredibly cool that this works on Linux and we get to use it as daily driver without being forced to dual boot for games. A windows installation still lingers on my desktop but it’s been years since I booted into it.
If you have games in a separate partition, then you will have no need to reinstall it even in case with reinstalling Windows, though.
You haven’t really highlighted any of the linux advantages here.
You haven’t really highlighted any of the linux advantages here.
I wasn’t really on that side quest, I’m only asserting it’s (apparently) as easy as Windows is. If you don’t see “not having to use windows” as an advantage, or if it’s actually an impediment to your non-game-related computer use, that’s totally fair; subjectivity is absolutely part of this. I’m just glad it all works for me in my life and that I’m lucky enough to be able to get to work on the platform I prefer.
Like I wrote, Steam games were generally good, other storefronts, not so much.
Ads have evolved into a cancer that is just growing and growing, making everything around them worse.
The best part is when spammers and ad generators realized how easy it is to use GPT to automate and increased the number of spam bots and ads.
Ads have always been a cancer.
Not exactly. When the webmaster you knew put a banner in the corner of their site with ads from one and the same source, in one and the same place, not popping up and not bothering you, it really felt fine. I even felt the urge to click that and see where it leads.
Remember also Opera free version with that ad banner.
Yeah. I used to run a website back in the very early 2000s that a local bicycle seller/repair shop used to pay me to have a little static banner for. It was just an image, that’s it. No tracking, no malware, no silly animations or covering content, etc. It was unobtrusive.
Did I get a huge amount of money? No. But it paid for maintenance, and a bit to spare. It made me feel like the effort I was putting into the site wasn’t wasted. It was relevant to the site content (cycling club in my town) and so was probably an effective advertisement.
Ads aren’t automatically evil, but the way they exist now definitely is. I wouldn’t dream of browsing the web without Firefox+Ublock origin.
The unbridled greed of companies has made me go out of the way to remove them all from my life. If they had been more restrained, I’d have happily accepted some ads as being the price I pay for using the web.
The way they exist now is similar to taxi drivers in airports. You simply know that if something is being advertised this way, it’s likely not what you need and probably a scam. So anything you don’t find intentionally and not via ads becomes useless, so ads become useless.
I used adblockers back then too. Else some sites would cause infinite pop-up windows to open (I assume to get pay-per-click revenue). Even plain banners would significantly increase loading times on 56k connections.
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As much as I like Linux, and use it almost exclusively on desktop/laptop, every time I see something like this I am reminded how much I hate the fact that Apple of all companies is about the last bastion of commercial and consumer operating systems who isn’t trying to derive the bulk of their revenue from advertising.
Yes they just derive it by keeping the Windows/MacOS duopoly in place and monopolizing communication channels.
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Linux ain’t as mainstream as MacOS and Windows are.
…and this here, folks, is the problem.
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In some sense yes, but advertising for its own stuff is advertising too. It nudges you to use their whole ecosystem.
The most annoying thing for me is that you can’t remove the iTunes component in mission control (the settings deck).
It does nudge you…but it’s not full screen ads that take multiple clicks to get through every week. I was a Windows zealot through W7…W10 got bad…W11 got me to start using Apple and Linux.
Even Apple is falling. Their ad business (yes, they have one) makes billions and is the fastest growing part of the company. The app store is already quite ad-riddled, and the other parts of iOS are geared to get you to subscribe to all the Apple services.
I guess the family computer will be entirely useless to everyone else in the house but me.
What I love the most about Windows is just how easy it is to find all the user settings I need to change. And I super appreciate how they configure things that work so perfect for me. It’s like I never need to make decisions of my own, they can read my mind. /S
You got me on the first half
theyre turning the deskop into a mobile platform which is inherently difficult to mod. this is so they can provide it as a service to any device.
I always laugh when someone says Linux has fragmented settings. Windows has that buddy. the fucking MOUSE SENSITIVITY setting is in a windows 7 UI.
Great to know. Not that I ever fucking use that menu, opting to use the sleep button on my keyboard instead.
Anyone who can should switch to Linux. Most of us can, I have done so on my laptop. I have tried gaming on Linux too and it’s fucking fantastic though I personally had an edge case issue that barely anyone will ever meet and had to go back. Do not let that discourage you from trying, however. Cyberpunk, as an example, was wonderful on Linux. No issues. As soon as my issues are sorted, something that will happen sooner or later, I will switch that pc in an instant!
Is there somewhere a guide in how to get started with gaming on Linux?
Tbh it’s pretty easy. Install Linux, install Steam.
Try Linux Mint, specifically. Very easy to install, runs on everything, just works. And gaming really is as easy as installing Steam, even for non Steam games.
Mint is great! Not my personal choice but it does work out of the box and is easy to use!
It’s perfect for anyone who wants to switch from Windows with minimal hassle. There are plenty of other great distros, of course, but choosing one can be a bit overwhelming at first. That’s why Mint is such an easy recommendation. It’ll get you started, may well be all you ever need and once you’re more into it, you’ll better understand what to choose.
Exactly! I think Mint is a great choice. I wouldn’t recommend anyone unfamiliar uses anything else unless they have very specific needs.
What of Indie games that I download from the developer’s page or other stores?
Also, how is the update process of Mint these days for make versions? Is it a complete reinstall of the system? I might opt for a rolling distro for that purpose.
use heroic for gog, epic and amazon games, and bottles or lutris for random exe’s and the other stores. you can also add random exe’s as non-steam games to run them. Also do keep in mind to install things from the app store, not the web
The major updates can be done though the software manager and have been completely painless for me so far. If you are concerned with always having the latest stuff, Mint might not be ideal for you. They’re pretty conservative with updates so they can be a few versions behind on some stuff. That’s the downside of the “everything just works” mantra.
You can add non steam games to steam and it’ll run them via proton, can be pretty effortless in most scenarios. Otherwise, you can install Lutris and there’s a significant chance there’ll be an entry for how to run the game you want
I read that a lot. Somehow I’m not into adding all my games into the Steam client, though I am not totally opposed if there’s no other option. That’s due to my inherent trust issues with gaming platforms.
Might give Lutris a shot.
Whatever happened to PlayOnLinux?
POL is still around, it’s just not quite as user friendly as Lutris. I use Lutris for Battle.net games and older titles where I have a physical disk. Easier than trying to add them to steam IMHO.
All that AI can’t pay for itself, I guess.
