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Sorry Dave, I’m afraid I can’t do that
everyone watch this clip and tell me what you think
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szzVlQ653as
what if it’s year 3000 right now and we’re all playing a game?
The best part is, unless that function name is misleading, it doesn’t matter how the data is passed; a copy is being sent out over TCP/IP to another device regardless.
Whats the difference between
void fn(Type& var)andvoid fn(Type* var)?Sends original data vs making a copy of data and sending it.
In meme context you’d be just making a copy of your consciousness and putting it in a machine. Whatever reason you’re doing it for - escape illness, survive armageddon, nothing changes for you. A copy of you lives on though.
I mean, just kill the host as soon as the upload is complete. at best you are not conscious during the process and when “you” wake up you are in the cloud. The version of you that awakes gets told that the “transfer” was complete.
Upload is a fun show
I was thinking more along the lines of St. Junipero :D
Future man season 2?
Black Mirror
Oh I know San junipero, just suggesting the plot of season 2 of future man as another similar reference - minds uploaded to “the cloud” and bodies destroyed on upload complete. Haley Joel Osmand is pretty decent as the antagonist of that season.
that’s a weird way to spell Pantheon.
It’s not like the post, secont is a pointer.
You can pass nullptr in the second example (that is not what OP wrote though, hes second is making a copy).
Thanks, I was Just curious. I knew what * did but I wasn’t sure about &
I guess you ask for C++. There Type* can be null while Type& can’t be null. When it gets compiled Type& is compiled (mostly) to the same machinecode as Type*.
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I had to turn my phone sideways and go cross-eyed to spot the difference.
If anyone’s interested in a hard sci-fi show about uploading consciousness they should watch the animated series Pantheon. Not only does the technology feel realistic, but the way it’s created and used by big tech companies is uncomfortably real.
The show got kinda screwed over on advertising and fell to obscurity because of streaming service fuck ups and region locking, and I can’t help but wonder if it’s at least partially because of its harsh criticisms of the tech industry.
I really thought you were going to mention “Upload” on Prime. Same creator as the office.
That show is garbage
Just FYI content warning for Pantheon there is a seriously disturbing gore/kill scene that is animated too well in the first season. Anyone who has seen the show knows what scene I am talking about, I found the scene pretty upsetting and I almost didn’t finish the show. I am still a little upset that the scene is burned in my memory.
Yes, I just finished watching Pantheon and absolutely loved it!
Totally agree that it deserved more attention. At least it got a proper ending with season 2.
Also, the voice acting talent they got was impressive. Paul Dano was fantastic as one of the leads.
Checking in to see if this show was mentioned. Highly recommend! Well written
Sounds good. Did it come to a conclusion or get axed mid way?
The series has a very satisfying conclusion.
It’s one of the coolest fucking things we watched this last year.
Sold!
Unironically the most important question
Luckily the writers were able to finish it the way they wanted with a second season, and it’s fantastic. AMC almost did axe it before the second season released but after it was already finished but fans were able to get them to release it.
The show got kinda screwed over on advertising and fell to obscurity because of streaming service fuck ups and region locking, and I can’t help but wonder if it’s at least partially because of its harsh criticisms of the tech industry.
Okay so I can’t 100% confirm this, but the first season wasn’t popular because it was on whatever the fuck AMC+ is. Amazon bought it because of the writer’s strike to get something out.
Consciousness and conscience are not the same thing, this naming is horrible
Hey, just be glad I changed it from asdf_test_3, okay?
This just makes it more realistic
Soma is a wonderful game that covers this type of thing. It does make you wonder what consciousness really is… Maybe the ability to perceive and store information, along with retrieving that information, is enough to provide an illusion of consistent self?
Or maybe it’s some competely strange system, unkown to science. Who knows?
I don’t think anything gave me existential doom quite as much as the ending of that game.
Provide the illusion to whom?
Self? Seemed pretty clear in their comment
I think the definition of consciousness needs to not be solely about abilities or attributes. It needs to account for the active process of consciousness. Like a hair dryer can burn things… but a fire is things burning. Without the active nature its simply not conscious.
Maybe consciousness is everywhere, and has nothing to do with mechanisms.
Are you sure the roon of today is a reference to yesterday’s roon?
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I saw a great comic about it once, one sec
Edit: more focused on teleportation, but a lot of the same idea. Here https://existentialcomics.com/comic/1
This could’ve sent me into an existential crisis if I hadn’t already had several where I thought the exact same things ;)
I will say, the point about murdering the person other people have in their minds of you is certainly an interesting one.
I don’t get it
The joke is that there are some people who think that by uploading themselves into a machine “to live forever,” their consciousness will also be transferred, like when you travel by bus from one city to another. In reality, you “upload yourself,” but that yourself is not you, but a copy of you. So, once the copy is done, you will still be in your original body, and the copy will “think” it is you, but it’s not you. It’s a copy of you! So, you continue to live in your body until you die, and, well, for you - that’s it. You’re dead. You’re not living. You’re finished. Everything is black. Void. Null. Done - unless you believe in the afterlife, so you’ll be in heaven, hell, purgatory or whatever, but the point is, you’re not longer on Earth “living forever.” That’s just some other entity who thinks it is you, but it’s not you (again, because you’re dead.)
This is represented by the parameters being passed by value (a copy) instead of by reference (same data) in the poster’s image.
This is also represented pretty well in Pantheon.
Or The Sixth Day starring Arnold Schwarzenegger.
It wouldn’t be you, it would just be another person with the same memories that you had up until the point the copy was made.
When you transfer a file, for example, all you are really doing is sending a message telling the other machine what bits the file is made up of, and then that other machines creates a file that is just like the original - a copy, while the original still remains in the first machine. Nothing is even actually transferred.
If we apply this logic to consciousness, then to “transfer” your brain to a machine you will have to make a copy, which exist simultaneously with the original you. At that point in time, there will be two different instances of “you”; and in fact, from that point forward, the two instances will begin to create different memories and experience different things, thereby becoming two different identities.
And since we know nothing about what consciousness is, you base this on absolutely nothing.
That’s a weird response to the person who is explaining the post to you.
The first line passes the argument by reference, ie, the object itself.
The second line passes the object by value, ie, a copy.
Also in Rust that would be the opposite which is funny but confusing
Thank
void teleport(Person person);
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There’s a cool computer game that makes this point as part of the story line… I’d recommend it, but I can’t recommend it in this context without it being a spoiler!
There’s also a book with a similar concept. It’s not the focus until later in the book though. It’s called
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Ready Player Two
Guys probably talking about
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SOMA
Lost the coin flip.
