Nobody wants new features. If they wanted new features they would have gone to W11 already. They just want less bullshit.
They’re going to make it shit so you’re forced to go to 11, or the much better alternative if it’s an option for you.
No fucking thank you, I have long since completely neutered my pc’s ability to update. I updated enough to install drivers and get it stable, and that’s it. I don’t trust windows.
So much effort to just keep using the same shitty piece of software.
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If it really was less effort to move to Linux, a majority of people would have already.
Oh yeah, because the customer is always perfectly knowledgeable and rational. People absolutely never spend more money to get an inferior product.
Have you tried Linux recently (or at all)? Most distros hold your hand. If anything, most of them hold your hand more than Windows. The installation is very easy, and it doesn’t bug you with a Microsoft account, MS Office, or One Cloud. It’s not trying to sell you a bunch of shit you don’t need because it’s not profiting off of you. You just select what drive you want to install it on (assuming you have an empty one) and let it do it’s thing, and you’re done.
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So if you don’t have a clue, do you buy the expensive yet inferior product for ease of use, or spend hours learning stuff you don’t want to, to get the free, and better product?
If you are willing to learn how to hack Windows to work the way you want it to, the better solution is to switch to Linux. The person I replied to is knowledgeable enough to disable his computer’s ability to update. They are not an average user. Any user who can manage what they did will have a trivial time switching to Linux.
No, no Linux distro holds your hand like a OS that comes preinstalled on your PC.
No shit. It holds your hand more than what this user did, and it holds your hand more than installing Windows, which you’ll need to do for 11 to switch. It being pre-installed is exactly the same as someone installing it for their parents, or whatever you said in your other comment with a negative connotation.
I don’t know why people always need to boil things down to what the absolute dumbest least technical user who doesn’t have help can do when they weren’t what’s being discussed. This was a user on Lemmy who has modified Windows to not update. They are spending more effort to stay on Windows than it’d take to switch to Linux, like I implied with my first comment.
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I feel like all of your arguments are just from your experience only.
Personal experience and those that I’ve heard and seen, sure. As are all of our opinions. I saw the other day someone using Debian (I think, maybe it was another distro) while avoiding the terminal. You can’t even do that with Windows.
96% of people haven’t, because they don’t want to.
That is not an accurate statement. The vast majority haven’t even considered that there’s another option, besides Mac maybe if they’re aware of that. It’s like saying 99% of people aren’t billionaires because they don’t want to be. They didn’t make a choice.
For your car analogy, I agree with it. It’s pretty accurate. The issue is this person was doing fairly serious maintenance of his automatic car. He wasn’t just driving it around because it’s easier. They spent time gaining knowledge and experience because they’re automatic was breaking down in a way the manual wouldn’t have had issue with. They wouldn’t have much trouble making the switch.
So why is it manual cars are disappearing if it is the better way to drive? Well a few reaons: While easy to drive, it is hard to learn, and there is alot to learn, don’t ride the clutch, how to start moving on a hill, how to start smooth, you have to constantly be changing gears in traffic, more prone to bad shifts, the car requires more attention, ect, ect.
Then why does most of the world use manuals? Automatics are mainly a thing in the land of bald eagles and school shootings. Across the rest of the world the manual is still more popular. The fact that so many people can only drive automatic tells me that maybe some of those people shouldn’t be on the road, and that maybe Americans are too dumb to drive real cars.
We live in a reality where Linux is more popular, just not on the desktop. Most smartphones run Linux, and do most smart appliances, servers, and embedded devices. So no Linux isn’t harder to use, desktop distributions not run by giant corporations are harder to use for some ineffable reason. Really Ubuntu, Fedora, OpenSUSE, Debian and so on all need to take a page out of Linux Mint, Chrome OS, and so on and become more user friendly.
I am the user above, and the writing is on the wall - I am aware that I will need to switch to Linux when I can no longer make w10 work for me, or when it is no longer supported by the games and programs I use.
The reasons why I don’t switch now are more complicated. I use a Lenovo Legion Slim 5 as my daily driver, as I was in an accident and can no longer sit at my desk with the pc I built. This laptop is on a rolling desk over my bed.
Anyway, while some Lenovo laptops support Linux, this one does not, and my reading tells me that I may have difficulty with certain things. I may have trouble with drivers for the graphics card, I may have trouble with adjusting the monitor brightness or the second monitor, I may have trouble with sound. or even the keyboard.
There are github pages devoted to helping with utilities to fix many of these problems, but they definitely require troubleshooting, thinking, and planning.
I have also had a friend who recently switched to Linux, who tried to stream a game for me. Before he switched his streams were flawless, this time we spent a while figuring out how to get his game audio, then the stream quality was abysmal, freezing, and in the wrong resolution, so he played while I googled solutions he could try on the fly.
Streaming games through discord on Linux is apparently a whole thing. That more than anything keeps me on win10, because I cannot play most of the games I used to play, they require too much movement, so my husband or friends will stream for me.
I am hoping things become easier as more users join Linux before me.
This is all a long winded explanation that I am sure you didn’t ask for, but I just wanted to let you know that sometimes even people with a somewhat good grasp of tech have reasons keeping them from switching.
I’m sorry to hear about your situation. It sucks the some systems aren’t supported. It’s very rare, but I guess you may be in that small group. I’d bet some people could help you make it work, but it may require extra effort. The great thing about Linux is you can make almost anything work if you put in the effort, but if the tools aren’t already made that’d mean doing it yourself, which probably isn’t an option.
I’m not trying to say Linux is right for you, but Windows does not care about you either. They are leaving everyone behind if they don’t follow along. I wish you good luck and good health!
Windows laptops generally get trashy battery life, and if this going to tank it further, I’d just run Linux full-time on my family laptop and call it a day.
The only reason we had windows was my wife’s comfortability and sometimes zoom glitches out on linux.
You have any tips? My power consumption on battery is ~30% higher on linux than they were on windows
Buy laptops with better Linux support.
Its not that 10 is more popular, its that 10 is less jacked up. Start jacking 10 and we’ll all go back to 7
Not 8?
If you wanna go 8, go ape
When I saw yesterday that M$ was doing a new beta for win 10 my first thought was “Well people don’t want to switch to 11 cause of the garbage we keep adding? Let’s see if we can get the same garbage in 10, then they will be willing.”
Willing to what? Adopt a penguin?
Switch to 11
Nope. On second thought, downloading ubuntu 11.10
Start jacking up 10 and we’ll all go to Linux
Millions already have
It is malware, not software.
The “and more” is the worrying part. They’re telling us that some of the things they are adding are not ‘features’. So then what are they?
Ads, probably. That’s the trend these days. More and more ads, in everything, everywhere - just really probing the limits of tolerability.
And AI, screenshots
Is one of those “features” CoPilot? Because I did a search for it on my Windows 10 installation, and found several small bits of it, including a directory called “Microsoft CoPilot.” It looks like a placeholder for a full installation, later on. I’m guessing Office 365 put it there.
My set up comfortably plays cyberpunk at dead fancy settings, but doesn’t meet the system requirements for windows 11.
Yeah, I’m going to rub out windows 10 as long as I can (although I dual boot Debian anyway).
That’s why it is stubbonky popular.
rub out Windows 10
Whatever is your kink, bro.
I mean, I did mean run but also, yes, windows 10 is hot AF.
Unfortunately for us, Windows 10 is stubbornly popular because we dont want the new features.
(We also dont want a new CPU just to upgrade).
I’ll just jump ship completely and use my Linux install 100% of the time. If I need to use a more mainstream OS for some stupid reason I’ll just use my Mac.
Only reason I need Windows is for Flight Simulator. If it weren’t for that I’d be on Linux for sure.
Linux is still not there for gaming, that’s what holds back most of the people who bitch about windows. People who just use windows to browse and do spreadsheets they don’t care.
Gaming is absolutely there, if you want to say something about anti cheat and whatnot that’s fair, but my gamescope enabled, AMD fsr utilizing arch install is performance parity to Windows 10, if not more performant. I’m not giving up that performance gain for an insanely small handful of games. You do you I guess.
My VR library is only half on linux or less and 1 of my streaming QoL apps is not even in the list. After 4 days (non consecutive over a month or so), and several steam updates, I finally got room setup to run and installed a few VR games last weekend, now steam overlay would not load to start a game. I want to switch to linux fully, I have for 2 decades. It is getting there, but still many miles to go.
Even for AC, most AC is supported. Battle Eye and Easy Anti-cheat both work fine (with the proton patches that should be automatically installed). Maybe there’s some custom AC that doesn’t work, but I haven’t found it yet. I’d guess Riot’s doesn’t if you want to play Valorant or LoL and want to install their root kit. I’ve had issues with The Finals (who just took a long time to update EAC but works fine now) and Squad (which is using a depricated C function that isn’t included in glibc anymore, but is included with the Flatpak version of Steam so it’s still playable with that) but they’re solvable. I believe that’s all.
I think PC gamers tend to overestimate their importance in OS distribution these days - gaming on Linux is just as passable these days as on Mac, and there’s much more to PC use than only gaming for 90% of users.
I feel that PC use is more complicated than gamers/productivity - but having switched over full time this year, Linux clearly has some work to do so the average user doesn’t need to touch the terminal - but even compared to 10 years ago its infinitely more capable and user friendly.
Customers of paid software need to start either voting with their feet meaningfully, or lobbying to get software support on Linux if they want it - complaining that titles aren’t available for Linux and then continuing to suffer through windows instead of making that known to the devs is seen exactly the same way - a sale.
I certainly miss some windows only software - but I’m not going to be held captive anymore for programmes I paid for, that refuse to consider my needs, when they are a part of my wider usage and expectations.
We don’t, there are a ton of online games that will not work on linux. I don’t know why this is hard to understand. I love linux, but I have my main rig for gaming running windows, because it’s easier and games just work on it.
Yeah well, play the game that have requirements that you pc supports. It’s always been like that.
Huh? I do play the games my PC supports, which is all of them, because I on windows still…
You want “new features and more”?
Linux.
You’re welcome.
I want old features and less. 😞
(I’m still switching to Linux.)
Old features and less? No problem. Just don’t install X, a window manager, or a desktop environment. It’ll be just like the DOS days!
I’m curious, could you skip a a DE and window manager and still run full screen graphical applications like games? Run it really like the DOS days when you just changed to the correct directory and ran the executable and then doom launches…?
Id imagine all games rely on at least the X server running to handle the display.
I know back in the day you could do some cool stuff with framebuffer, but I don’t know if you’d get 3d acceleration today even if you installed the drivers, because they probably need a bunch of libraries that are packaged as part of DEs/WMs
If you just want the experience of launching graphical stuff from the CLI, that can be done. You’d still install all the packages for your chosen display server and WM/DE, then you can write a small bash script that launches a desktop session and starts your program, then closes the desktop session after you exit the program.
lesscomes with all distributions I know
I’ve got Win 10 and it works fine. I have no reason to upgrade to Win 11. If any new ‘feature’ gets added to Win 10, I will disable it.
Stubborn? Windows 11 does not support my older hardware. With no other reason to upgrade, I’m not dropping that kind of cash just for Windows 11.
Regardless, I fully migrated to Linux last year.
Which distro did you choose?
Hopped around for a while and enjoyed Fedora the most. I’m now on Bazzite and love it.
Nice.
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