I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. I can enable some TMP in my bios to give me “windows 11 compatibility” but I have no reason to do so. If I could chill on Windows 7 forever I would
Tamper module proof
Better than a Toilet Paper Module.
Hopefully they will at least not shove things into the packages that ship to LTSC updates as well. They did that with a cloud backup app awhile ago and it pissed a ton of people off.
You want “new features and more”?
Linux.
You’re welcome.
I want old features and less. 😞
(I’m still switching to Linux.)
Old features and less? No problem. Just don’t install X, a window manager, or a desktop environment. It’ll be just like the DOS days!
I’m curious, could you skip a a DE and window manager and still run full screen graphical applications like games? Run it really like the DOS days when you just changed to the correct directory and ran the executable and then doom launches…?
Id imagine all games rely on at least the X server running to handle the display.
I know back in the day you could do some cool stuff with framebuffer, but I don’t know if you’d get 3d acceleration today even if you installed the drivers, because they probably need a bunch of libraries that are packaged as part of DEs/WMs
If you just want the experience of launching graphical stuff from the CLI, that can be done. You’d still install all the packages for your chosen display server and WM/DE, then you can write a small bash script that launches a desktop session and starts your program, then closes the desktop session after you exit the program.
lesscomes with all distributions I know
windows is now just a joke.
embrace the windows 7
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Backporting the ads?
I’ll just jump ship completely and use my Linux install 100% of the time. If I need to use a more mainstream OS for some stupid reason I’ll just use my Mac.
Only reason I need Windows is for Flight Simulator. If it weren’t for that I’d be on Linux for sure.
Linux is still not there for gaming, that’s what holds back most of the people who bitch about windows. People who just use windows to browse and do spreadsheets they don’t care.
I think PC gamers tend to overestimate their importance in OS distribution these days - gaming on Linux is just as passable these days as on Mac, and there’s much more to PC use than only gaming for 90% of users.
I feel that PC use is more complicated than gamers/productivity - but having switched over full time this year, Linux clearly has some work to do so the average user doesn’t need to touch the terminal - but even compared to 10 years ago its infinitely more capable and user friendly.
Customers of paid software need to start either voting with their feet meaningfully, or lobbying to get software support on Linux if they want it - complaining that titles aren’t available for Linux and then continuing to suffer through windows instead of making that known to the devs is seen exactly the same way - a sale.
I certainly miss some windows only software - but I’m not going to be held captive anymore for programmes I paid for, that refuse to consider my needs, when they are a part of my wider usage and expectations.
We don’t, there are a ton of online games that will not work on linux. I don’t know why this is hard to understand. I love linux, but I have my main rig for gaming running windows, because it’s easier and games just work on it.
Gaming is absolutely there, if you want to say something about anti cheat and whatnot that’s fair, but my gamescope enabled, AMD fsr utilizing arch install is performance parity to Windows 10, if not more performant. I’m not giving up that performance gain for an insanely small handful of games. You do you I guess.
My VR library is only half on linux or less and 1 of my streaming QoL apps is not even in the list. After 4 days (non consecutive over a month or so), and several steam updates, I finally got room setup to run and installed a few VR games last weekend, now steam overlay would not load to start a game. I want to switch to linux fully, I have for 2 decades. It is getting there, but still many miles to go.
Even for AC, most AC is supported. Battle Eye and Easy Anti-cheat both work fine (with the proton patches that should be automatically installed). Maybe there’s some custom AC that doesn’t work, but I haven’t found it yet. I’d guess Riot’s doesn’t if you want to play Valorant or LoL and want to install their root kit. I’ve had issues with The Finals (who just took a long time to update EAC but works fine now) and Squad (which is using a depricated C function that isn’t included in glibc anymore, but is included with the Flatpak version of Steam so it’s still playable with that) but they’re solvable. I believe that’s all.
Yeah well, play the game that have requirements that you pc supports. It’s always been like that.
Huh? I do play the games my PC supports, which is all of them, because I on windows still…
No… we’re good…
The “and more” is the worrying part. They’re telling us that some of the things they are adding are not ‘features’. So then what are they?
Ads, probably. That’s the trend these days. More and more ads, in everything, everywhere - just really probing the limits of tolerability.
And AI, screenshots
win 11 adoption must be pretty bad if they have to do their new features beta testing on win 10 (which should be on a security updates/show-stopper bugfix only policy by now) instead.
Windows 11 adoption to business customers is really bad. Most of the adoption to 11 has been from people purchasing new home computers and being stuck with 11 (I have two win 11 computers now).
Since the bulk of Microsoft’s revenue comes from business customers, they have a huge impact on decisions.
At this point the only decision Microsoft can make is to write off win 11 as a failue. Resuming feature upgrades to win 10 makes business sense.
My company basically said they’re only going to update if they absolutely have to. IT and management are aligned for the first time in my entire career. There’s been talks of switching entirely to Linux and Mac. Microsoft really fucked up.
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Windows 10 isn’t popular. It’s just that windows 11 is crap in comparison. Release an OS that isn’t predicated on what’s good for ad revenue and Microsoft’s bottom line and everyone will upgrade.
Good god one drive is so fucking invasive in 11
one drive is so fucking invasive in 11
Which one? C? I think you can change it!
It’s pretty annoying in 10 too. I had a big scratch folder on my desktop and one day it decided to start syncing with one drive after a restart and one of those setup/welcome like screens.
One of the definitions of “popular” is going to blow your mind.
Well, it’s popular not because of demand but because Win7 is ancient. In the old times there were utilities that copied win2k binaries into a winNT4 install to add features like new directX, I wonder if that is still possible on win7
I have never understood why people still like 7.
I thought it was decent when I last used it, but Win 10 is much better.
7 is fairly ugly and has a lot of missing stuff for 10.
Microsoft made a big mistake with Windows 10: it basically works fine.
That’s what they’ll try to end now with buggy feature bloat shoehorned in.
That’s when an operating system is supposed to do. They make mistakes when they make it worse. Usually, the operating system starts worse and eventually gets tolerable. That happened with Windows 10. Initial versions were far inferior to Windows 7, but now it’s at a pretty good state. Windows 11 is a pile of fucking garbage. There is no compelling feature in Windows 11 that would make anyone want to upgrade. There are compelling reasons not to upgrade, such as advertising, menus that require more clicks to get the same shit done, forced use of Microsoft account, etc.
There’s also the fact that Windows 11 refuses to run unless you have a handful of specific hardware in your computer, such as TPM 2.0, and a relatively modern processor. There is no technical reason for this requirement, it was discovered very early on that if you override the check it will install and run just fine. But Microsoft seems determined to get people to throw away their older but still perfectly good computers.
That is a very big part of why Windows 10 is still so popular. If you have a computer from six or seven years ago that you’ve upgraded once or twice, it’s probably still perfectly good. No reason to throw it away for Windows 11 when you can keep on trucking with Windows 10.
I personally am quite grateful that my computer doesn’t meet the requirements, because that means I won’t be stealth-upgraded like happened with 10.
My wife’s laptop was upgraded during a “maintenance window” one night. Now to downgrade I would have to wipe it clean and reinstall everything and restore backups… Too much hassle and then maybe it will be upgraded again. Bios doesn’t allow disabling tpm
I was at a win 95 launch event for pc sellers back in the msdos era. Microsoft sales pitch was “put windows on the comps you sell and we guarantee your customers will keep coming back for upgrades”. Shit hasn’t changed 30 years later.
Same was said about Windows 7 as people protested the switch to Windows 10. New telemetry, aggressively forced updates, and other factors made Windows 10 a nightmare for many. Yet now, when Windows 11 is even worse, people start thinking of Windows 10 the way they thought of Windows 7.
Essentially, Microsoft can make Windows worse and worse for as long as the previous iteration is better and people got used to it.
That is exactly how I felt back then. Waited as long as possible to switch to 10 from 7 but then got used to it. Honestly I still think 7 was better. But no fucking way I’m switching to 11 with the way things are going at Microsoft.
Usually Microsoft would have 1 good release then 1 release that is shit. Seems like it’ll be straight shit from now on.
I’ve got Win 10 and it works fine. I have no reason to upgrade to Win 11. If any new ‘feature’ gets added to Win 10, I will disable it.
Unfortunately for us, Windows 10 is stubbornly popular because we dont want the new features.
(We also dont want a new CPU just to upgrade).
Shit, I’d still be using xp if they let me.
Having used XP recently, I…would not.
Go 98!
Everyone always forgets ME. :(
As they should
For good reasons
What about BOB?
Still a fan of Win 7.
Windows 2000 was peak Windows.
This is the correct answer. Win 2k Pro.
