fewer reposts from reddit, fewer reddit copycat communities, fewer redditors.
100%. I don’t know why people, who are presumably banned from Reddit or left Reddit for reasons, want bring over the same garbage they left for.
Having a culture in the first place would be a good start.
Different instances tend to have their own cultures, you might want to go instance hopping.
With this amount or active users it’s not sustainable. I’m interested in broad topics and I try to chase the most active community for the topic, no matter the instance that hosts them.
The only meaningful sign of “community” I managed to identify is the tanky one, where it’s palpable a radical difference with the very generic “everywhere else”.
Start participating in smaller instances then, if Hexbear can do it, why can’t you?
Because I am but a single person, comrade.
Find an instance you like, and be the change you seek.
Since they started blocking VPN traffic I would love it if people stopped hosting images on imgur.
We like to emulate Reddit for no good reason
Hot and Active feeds pull in a lot of things that are up to 2 days old, but by 12-24 hours at the most, nearly all conversation is done. It’s not nearly as rewarding to interact with posts on those feeds when so few people are even looking at them.
If everyone saw the same feeds, that might be something because maybe the conversation would continue, but I’m pretty sure that’s not the case due to federation.
Its been a focus of mine to try to make lemmy’s comment sorting the opposite of the reddit experience, where the highest rated comment is nearly always just the first one, making all engagement after those first few minutes pointless.
The active sort does a good job of bumping new activity on older posts (limited to 2 days) back to the top. There’s also a
New Commentssort that doesn’t have that 2-day limit (making it basically a forum sort), but I don’t know how many people use it.Not sure what else we could do tho, the main problem is probably just the smaller number of users. Which needs to be tackled by convincing reddit communities and their mods to move them over to some lemmy instance.
Could there be a one-click way to automatically ‘import’ a Reddit subreddit over to a Lemmy community? Meaning, create it, import the sidebars, welcomes, rules, graphics, etc. so it looks familiar to regular users. If not, at least a step-by-step tutorial on how mods could do it.
Another option would be to provide something like a crossposting Chrome or Firefox extension that lets people simultaneously post content to both Reddit and Lemmy. Give them a smooth transition path.
Lastly, the Bluesky concept of ‘pluggable algorithms’ is one way to make it so users can choose whatever sort works best for their interests.
There are a few import tools written to import historical posts, which is the main difficulty. Copying and pasting a sidebar markdown, re-uploading images would take a max of like 10 minutes.
I intentionally kept historical imports out, since Reddit is blocking APIs under the guise of limiting AI scraping.
My main point was setting up an easier way for low-tech mods to set up a parallel community, then nudge users to move over.
I agree with Dessalines that moving the sidebar takes 10 minutes.
Feel free to join !fedigrow@lemm.ee if you want to discuss how to grow communities
Reddit’s mod interface isn’t an easy one to use, so they’d probably have an easier time over here. If they can click an upload image button, and copy paste, they should be okay.
This is a great comment, thank you. Very good links.
Do you know how federation affects the sorts? I assume, based on my longer experience with Mastodon, that the All feed is actually just all of the posts that have been federated to my instance i.e. someone on my instance is subscribed to that community. So any communities no one on my server is subscribed to are invisible regardless of sort.
That implies the All feed is unique to each server, and therefore all of the sorts are also unique. Which would mean for at least a certain percentage of posts, they might be in your hot or active feeds, even though no one is really interacting with them much any more.
What do you think? Maybe it doesn’t work as much like Mastodon as I think, but since it’s all the same fediverse it feels like a logical assumption.
Put simply, the sorting / ranking is based on the score and the time published, so as long as things are getting federated within a few seconds, then federated posts / comments are no different from local ones. Mastodon only sorts things by newest AFAIK.
That implies the All feed is unique to each server, and therefore all of the sorts are also unique. Which would mean for at least a certain percentage of posts, they might be in your hot or active feeds, even though no one is really interacting with them much any more.
Should only be an issue if your server blocks other ones.
So is the All feed actually all communities and not just ones federated to your instance by virtue of someone on the instance subscribing? That was really the crux of my question.
Ah, this is completely different and has nothing to do with sorting.
Allmeans the latter, IE communities connected to your instance, that your instance knows about. Lemmy doesn’t crawl anything, federated communities need to get subscribed to first, then posts can start coming in for them.Yes but also no. Because if the contents of All are unique to each server, that has some implications for which posts appear in the various sorts, right? Maybe I’m overthinking and the effect is minute, but I feel like in at least some cases it would mean less active posts could squeeze out more active posts.
Its best to just think of them as separate to keep it clear. Sorting affects all posts (federated or not) in the same way.
Its been a focus of mine to try to make lemmy’s comment sorting the opposite of the reddit experience, where the highest rated comment is nearly always just the first one, making all engagement after those first few minutes pointless.
I think your strategy for going the opposite than reddit works quite well when it comes to comments. However, I don’t think it fits so well with posts (not sure if the strategy/sorting for posts and comments use the same methods). Personally I don’t feel great seeing posts older than 24 hours, especially as I have probably already seen that post. It’ll just stick around for way too long.
The Hot and Scaled sort shouldn’t be showing anything that old, try changing your default post sort to that for a bit.
Active will do what you’re saying tho, keep bumping things.
Hot and Active feeds pull in a lot of things that are up to 2 days old, but by 12-24 hours at the most, nearly all conversation is done.
that’s why i’ve switched to “new”
I prefer using the “scaled” feed rather than “active”. It’s like active, but boosts posts from smaller communities, and seems to usually surface newer content.
Personally I’d like to change the fact that every memes comment section is just serious conversation. Where’s the whimsy, where’s the tomfoolery folks
It’s time to be silly then :3
Be the silliness you want to see in the world. Start a pun thread or a switcharoo or all the things that used to make the old place fun. Lots of people will take that bait and run with it.
Thats what me and my 7 alts do
And those 7 alts has different password right? Right?
I had to go back to my feed and check but I actually get very little in the way of meme posts. That may be the way I have my feed filtered though. I would welcome quality memes, but I also may be starting to age out of what is being created at this point
Yeah. I’ve seen so many rabidly political responses to memes. Lighten up folks!
I just wish more of the reddit escapees would understand and embrace that, technologically speaking, Lemmy is not Reddit and that this is a good thing, actually.
There will be splintered communities hosted on different servers. There will be servers that decide to defederate from each other, be it for understandable reasons or stupid ones. And you will, probably, end up having to create more than one account because of drama that had nothing to do with you.
This isn’t a bug, it’s a feature. For everything you lose in convenience by not having “the everything site” where you go for literally all things, you gain flexibility and freedom. If my home-instance decides it doesn’t want legal trouble and bans talk of piracy… I can just get an account at one that has no such qualms. My browser/phone will remember my passwords for me.
A community’s culture shifting over time is inevitable, but these newcomers seem to want to change Lemmy on a technological level, and change it in ways that would rob it of the things that make it interesting, yanno?
I also wish it’d be less US-centric around here. But I guess that is inescapable.
Stop using giant catchall instances and switch to a smaller instance that’s more suited to you.
One of the major advantages of a federated system is that it doesn’t really matter which instance you use. There’s no real advantage to using a larger instance, and in fact there’s several disadvantages as the large instances can be slower, maintenance can take longer, it’s more expensive to run the servers, etc.
One of the reasons people moved away from Reddit was to avoid one company (Reddit) and especially one person (the Reddit CEO) having control over the whole thing. Using a huge Lemmy server kinda defeats the point of switching across.
I’d love people on Limmy would quit posting links to Reddit.
I’d love people on Reddit would start posting links to Lemmy
Didn’t mods/admins throw bans at people doing that? I don’t recall because I’ve not been on Reddit for a good while.
You actually get downvoted anyway
I want the liberals to go back to their homes negl
Lemmy.world and its consequences…
Nah facts. I’d even be able to tolerate the posters from .ee and .works, but with .world in the mix too I just want 'em all gone.
You’d tolerate .works? You’re more patient than I am.
I actually do try to be is the thing, but at current rate of redditor horseshit I have to read because of the western lib alliance, I’m probably going to run out of that patience around the same time the Social Security fund runs dry.
Fair enough, the reddit crowd sure is something.
I’de love to see a bit more discussions about Linux.
Lol fuck off.
Right? People hardly mention Linux 'round here lol
Seriously, I don’t even know who that guy is
Tim Linux. He’s a good guy.
Id like more right wingers. Not in a i like them kind of a way in a i want lemmy more representative of the population kind of way. I also think we really need to be pushing harder on the free speach free marketplace of ideas we have created.
I don’t think you deserve to be so heavily downvoted, but also Christ it’s nice to have a refuge where I don’t have to constantly hate humanity. Particularly when so often it’s simply not possible to have a genuine conversation because folks are spitting out talking points and ignoring facts. Which the left does as well but at least they don’t make me want to go on a murderous rampage. Usually.
Yeah i get what u mean about the extremists. But honestly the tankie extremists are just as bad. Their denial of genocide by the ccp is particularly bad. Ive been told that people are willingly choosing to go to ccp reeducation centers.
That last bit feels very unlikely or a total distortion. Not because I’m looking to argue, but I also happen to be human (meaning I think this applies universally to all humans regardless of any particular philosophy) and that sounds incredibly tedious and I can’t believe that’s the sort of thing any other human would spend their valuable time doing. I’d rather fold my laundry, and I fucking hate folding laundry.
Hey for the record ive been banned for saying this perfectly proving my point.
nice, good work mods
More here than R**dit. As a pro-gun Libral (pro-pistol), I had a great chat with a hard-line anti-gun person on here. On Reddit, I would have risked being permabanned for being a maga racist by an idiot mod, then had zero recourse against the idiot mod (totally not a bitter anecdote…).
Here, if I have a heated debate with a conservative, as long as it doesn’t get hostile, I can keep communicating and trying to help them understand my points instead of suddenly talking to [deleted] about [deleted] because some shit mod didn’t like their views.
I think generally the community-driven, communal decentralized open concept kind of clashes at least with far right & neo lib thinking.
How its the ultimate embodiment of free speach the marketplace of ideals and competition. Id classify these as liberal ideas but ive notices a lot of the Americanised left wing doeant seem to agree with these anymore.
Leftism refers to collective ownership of the Means of Production, Rightism refers to individual ownership. Reddit is Capitalist, Lemmy is the Leftist answer to it.
There is no “competition” on Lemmy because there’s no profit and no production.
There’s no monetary profit, but I could absolutely see competition for whose ideas gain the most support.
And the Fediverse does not collectively own all the instances. Each instance is created and supported by an individual or small group of individuals.
You can even see the failures of unregulated capitslism in how lemmy (especially lemmy.ml and lemmy.world) are consolidating users and engagement. Unregulated capitalism trends towards monopoly.
It’s an extremely apt metaphor for capitalism.
There’s no monetary profit, but I could absolutely see competition for whose ideas gain the most support.
Capitalism is not “competition,” it is a specific mode of production. Competition exists outside Capitalism.
And the Fediverse does not collectively own all the instances. Each instance is created and supported by an individual or small group of individuals.
The source code is open and free, ergo people can do what they want. The underlying tools are accessible to anyone, the instances are not “production” nor do they exist for exchange.
You can even see the failures of unregulated capitslism in how lemmy (especially lemmy.ml and lemmy.world) are consolidating users and engagement. Unregulated capitalism trends towards monopoly.
There is no Capitalism on Lemmy, lmao.
It’s an extremely apt metaphor for capitalism.
No it isn’t.
The source code is open and free, ergo people can do what they want.
You really don’t see the parallels between this statement and “anyone can become a millionaire”?
Not everyone has the opportunity or the skillset to “do what they want” with the source code. I’m not a coder. How can I do whatever I want? I’m beholden to the structures that other people build.
You really don’t see the parallels between this statement and “anyone can become a millionaire”?
There’s a chance you could stumble onto a point if Lemmy was profit-driven.
Not everyone has the opportunity or the skillset to “do what they want” with the source code. I’m not a coder. How can I do whatever I want? I’m beholden to the structures that other people build.
You don’t need to be in order to be able to download the source code. Skills are not ownership.
(neo) liberalism isn’t really a leftist ideology, not sure about american specifics.
I get what you’re saying but I like that Lemmy has a left wing bias (with a dash of libertarians). If it was the dominant media site, I’d agree about the echo chamber risk but so much media (in the English speaking world, anyway) is under right wing ownership now. Having a handful of sites that are a refuge from it all is a feature for me, not a bug. It’s an escape from the echo chamber.
It’s just a different echo chamber though.
I like that Lemmy has a left wing bias
it currently feels exactly like pre-2014 reddit. in a good way
No, it absolutely does not. Lemmy has a LOT of groupthink, just a different type of groupthink than the norm.
Reddit pre 2014 was the wild fucking west. You’d have some girl posting about why she likes sticking goat intestines up her butt and the comments would be all “it’s not my thing but I can see your point of view”. People were selling heroin on a public forum. There was a sub called something like “fiftyfifty” where you click on a link and it’s either a cute bunny or some dude getting beheaded, no blurring or censorship just full gruesome decapitation. The most popular sub was called “jailbait” for chrissake.
Like, kids today cannot comprehend how sanitised everything is. You are locked in a box. Lemmy is a different box than reddit is a different box than Instagram is a different box than Facebook is a different box than Twitter. You don’t know what freedom is. You will never know. It’s exhilarating and terrifying. But all you can do nowadays is pick a different box.
Exactly. Like I said
Lemmy is pretty international. We have right wingers here, but it’s not really representative. The USA right wingers only make up a small portion of worldwide population, so don’t stress. It’s not an echo chamber.
Yea, I think the American bubble makes people think their political spectrum is normal… while the Democrats would be a right or centrist party pretty much anywhere else in the world.
Dems are center right for sure
It’s not an echo chamber.
Right, it’s more like a reverberation chamber.
I don’t want change necessarily, but a few more normies would be appreciated. I do miss things like gossiping and silly brainless celebrity news, but I have a feeling most Lemmy users are only interested in the nerd stuff. I mean, me too. Give me nerd stuff and the brainless unserious gossiping! Lol.
Posts that are just a link to another forum. I don’t remember which community it was exactly but every community post was just a link to the respective forum thread on the posts topic.
There are one or two servers where all they do is repost content from the other place and links with bots. I blocked those servers. There is never any discussion on those posts so I never saw the point.
Was it !hackernews@lemmy.smeargle.fans?
Yes, I think it is.
get rid of votes.
they’re dumb and only exist to transform a forum into content.
if lemmy isn’t for profit or doing ads, there’s no reason to transform a forum into content.
so get rid of the votes.
