In the Bible, it says clearly that no one should make a dare to edit or correct the Bible by any words. But many chapters and contents are extremely censored from the original Bible. How is this acceptable, and how do we know the truth and full story about the entire life?
(Finally, some of the replies and trolls I received made me more confused. But thanks a lot for the reference replies.)
An answer for this in Muslim’s book Quran is that all the previous books god itself sent were edited by humans as time went on.
Though its defence on whether Quran would be edited by humans is that god will not let it happen, there’s the argument that which in that case why did God let the previous books get edited in the first place?
To be fair there is a big difference between the Bible and the Quran. The Bible is said to be “divinely inspired”, written by people who were inspired by God, but not His words. The Quran is said to be God’s own words, merely written down. This means both religions have vastly different views on their religious texts.
OP is on step two of a really short journey.
How can you believe the bible?
You shouldn’t trust any Bible. They are myth books that should not be considered other than as very peculiar literature.
You said so because of the censorship, or just because you are an aethist?
You seem to consistently spell atheist wrong. It’s not with an e.
A-T-H-E-I-S-T.
Write it repeatedly until you learn it.
I’m an atheist because there’s no good reason to believe in gods. The Bible is a book full of nonsense, myths and stories. That is obvious to anyone reading it without the prejudice of indoctrination.
In the Bible, it says clearly that no one should make a dare to edit or correct the Bible by any words.
Not trolling here, but where does it say that?
It would have to be from a time when people were already conscious of this collection of writings being considered “The Bible”, so I’m assuming New Testament somewhere? And would any writings added after that not be considered to have flaunted that rule?
I’m not religious at all, but I’m very interested in how the Bible came to be The Bible.
It’s at the very end of Revelation. It’s a warning not to add or remove any words from the prophecy in the book.
Oh ok, that makes sense, thanks. Will check that out. I kind of like the idea of someone writing Revelation and adding that so that they got the final chapter! :-)
How can you believe and trust the bible at all?
Isn’t the bible itself a precious text ? I believe the issue is humans manipulating all those that said in it for their personal or religious benefit.
IDK, convert to Islam if you’re that worried about reading your holy texts in their original language?
It does have the nice feature that the holy book as it exists is definitely a faithful copy of the one dictated by the known, independently attested historical figure.
Of course, most of the actual practices derive from the Hadiths, lol.
That won’t help. Qur’an was also edited and altered over time.
Personally, I don’t see a need for Christians to covert to Islam, especially for something so trivial. The religions are so similar already, and Muslims already believe that Jesus was a prophet and other aspects of Christianity. If a Christian has some deviating opinion from mainstream Christianity, I am willing to bet good money that there was already a sect or group that had the same idea a long time ago. There’s no reason not to just consider oneself part of that group without having to convert religions and still hold Islam in high regard.
I know too many people that converted to Islam from Christianity for silly reasons like this that were already addressed by some other Christian group or whatever, in my opinion. I understand if someone is coming from a totally different religion and wants to be Muslim, that’s okay to me I guess. But Islam and Christianity are already so similar, there’s almost no point. I think some people just got caught up in the anti-Islamaphobia wave (good thing) and then fetishized Islam as the better or politically acceptable religion among Leftists that doesn’t have similar issues to Christianity (not good, in my opinion).
I’ll admit that I was making a bad faith suggestion lol. OP’s concern over censorship and Lemmy profile makes them come off kinda reactionary. Plus, the question seems kinda goofy.
For sure, I do think it’s either a bot or a troll fishing but it’s a subject worth discussing. Haha
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Because the life itself doesn’t have a meaning itself. I belive in god and without god its hard to live the life. Otherwise we can easily get into sins. There are more beyond some myths.
And the unavoidable truth is death.
Sins like what though? Do you need the threat of eternal punishment to be a good person or keep from killing someone?
You don’t.
Better yet, how do you know any modern religion is anything like what it should be like, generations later?
Religions seem very sure about their own teachings, even as they change. Within your own lifetime you’ve probably noticed that a priest or simply a believer you know has ended up changing their mind on something. Just a generation or two of believers and the current ones won’t be thinking and saying the kind of stuff the first ones were, and vice versa.
One pope says nay, next one says yay. If god is speaking through them, did god change his mind? If he is, why didn’t he just get it right from the start?
Religion isn’t like logic, which states 2+2 will always be 4. The simple passage of time and the broken telephone that is human word of mouth, means religion is incapable of staying consistent for more than about a decade, if that.
What’s more, the religions that exist today are the ones that were the best at spreading. If a religion isn’t appealing, people don’t stick with it. So religions tend to morph and splinter, evolving into whatever is just nice enough that a bunch of people will sign up.
They are the original meme, in the scientific sense. An infectious idea that gets recounted over an over, each person changing it slightly to be more appealing during a re-telling, empowering its spread.
Lemmy is, like, all atheists. You’re going to get a lot of “we can’t” answers.
The orthodox would agree.
Yeah, Biblical inerrancy is specific to a subset of Protestants. They’re just loud about it. The Catholic church has also flirted with it, but their stance has always been that the church itself is the final authority on all matters, and in Vatican II they soften their endorsement of it with something like “inerrant for the purposes of salvation”.
It’s possible lay believers of other denominations sometimes take the same stance out of confusion, though. I’ve never personally heard someone say “I’m a Christian that doesn’t believe the Bible is all authentic”.
You haven’t met a single Christian that knew anything about their religion then.
Sad truth.
Well, I know a lot of evangelicals too, so that skews it.
Yeah, that’s definitely a skewed demographic. Haha
So basically Predator handshake meme of religious extremists and atheists?
The Bible is lies Atheists -o- Christian revisionistsI don’t know if that’s what OP meant, though.
I have to consider both aethist and believers opinion in order to get a clear picture. So it doesn’t really matter.
Clarification: what original bible? The Bible today isn’t even a single version of a thing. Historically, it was a bunch of manuscripts (many of which, conversely, were more different to each other the further back in time you go showing that a number of competing stories got combined into one) written by different people at different times in different places and eventually people more or less agreed on some things. Certain things have been found to be added hundreds or even thousands of years ago and some modern bibles will actually remove them (apparently something in I think John where it seems to skip a verse or two where something was added to make it make more sense with the other synoptic gospels).
TL;DR – there never was one single bible, it’s a bunch of stories that got edited before it got into a bible, and we continue to find texts that show older versions closer to any events differ from what modern texts have.
which version of which bible?
Everything
Don’t fully trust the translations. There are some that are pretty good, but none are exactly perfect. You can get the original language and wording (or the closest we have) with a quick Google, so use that if you ever think the translation is borderline.
You can never get the full story of anything. There is no amount of words that can every fully describe anything.
The Lord of the Rings is more believable.
Well, it was made by a single person and is mostly consistent throughout. So it’s at least not self-contradictory, which is something.
And far better written.
I remember reading the Bible for the first time as a teenager, after years of hearing about how great it was from Christians, and both being severely disappointed by its immature writing style and losing a lot of respect for the literary standards of many Christians.
