• R0cket_M00se
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    None of these websites are dead, and youtube isn’t going anywhere. You can’t just host Zetabytes of video data on a home server.

  • @AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml
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    I frankly don’t see a way for federated video to happen unless uploads are severely limited or it’s paywalled. Even with YouTube’s wild compression, you’re looking at several gigs for a single 4k video.

    Honestly the fact that YouTube exists is a miracle. Video is still just monstrously large.

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      Is size really the issue though? I can torrent more than I can store on my hard drives.

      Seems like you could build a video streaming service on that. (Actually I think some people already did this.)

      • @Trainguyrom@reddthat.com
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        Lbry does exactly this. Actually it works way better than the last time I checked it out. I’m guessing they have invested in a centralized storage solution because I’m encountering basically no missing videos and extremely fast playback which wasn’t the case the last time I checked them out a few years ago

      • @Onurb@lemmy.world
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        Well that’s exactly what peertube does to distribute the load of serving the videos

      • @AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml
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        Yeah it is an issue. I archive my 4k blurays and they chew through my hard drive space far faster than I can get new hard drives

    • GTG3000
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      Well, time to switch to watching Nebula?

      I can’t see how it will work for small-time creators though. Or for people who just want to show a video online.

      • @AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml
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        I love nebula too. They’re definitely what I imagine federated video would be though. Restricted uploads, and paid. Nothing wrong with that though, video is expensive.

        • GTG3000
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          Well, one question is how it’d be paid for. You can’t really have a federated payment provider, can you?

          So would you have to pay for each separate server somehow, gathering them up like streaming service subscriptions?

          • @Trainguyrom@reddthat.com
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            You can’t really have a federated payment provider, can you?

            Not to sound like a crypto bro, but this is literally the biggest benefit of cryptocurrencies, easy transfer of money between people wallet to wallet, and you can choose your exchange to exchange the money between crypto and cash.

            Unfortunately crypto bros absolutely ruined crypto for everything it could’ve been

          • @AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml
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            Someone smarter than me will need to figure that out. I’m a lowly software engineer, not a computer scientist.

            • GTG3000
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              Hey, doesn’t mean you can’t aspire to be a systems architect :D

              You know, make enough decisions that weren’t perfect in the long term and you’ll learn something! …totally not speaking from experience, no.

      • @Fangslash@lemmy.world
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        thats what I thought too - until I actually signed up for Nebula. It took me a week to exhaust every creator I wanted to watch.

        No regrets because I do enjoy the content, but their catalogue is absolutely tiny compare to youtube.

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          Yeah, I was being a little tounge-in-cheek there.

    • Venia Silente
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      It’s simple: don’t do 4K. It’s absolutely unneeded.

      I’ve never seen any big media content that actually benefits from more than 720p. Among other things, for watching comfortably on laptops. Heck, for most communication / reaction videos, 540p / 480p is more than enough (in those cases the audio is actually more important than the visuals).

      • panCat
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        Cannot agree more with this , most screens those are used at homes are good to go with 720p , or at least i fail to see a difference !

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        I watch a lot of music videos though so I love 4k. Don’t know why you’re getting down voted though. What you said is true. I don’t need to watch a talk stream vod in 4k

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          And still, do you need a 4K video stream for a music video?

          I understand wanting higher res audio (which still amounts to minuscule amounts of bandwith compared to the video stream) but I don’t get how image quality is important in this setting.

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                Not on my TV. The 1080p on YouTube also loses a lot of color data which is pretty noticeable on OLED. On my phone though yeah even 720p is fine.

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                  Yeah maybe I’m not very competent on that with my 7yo cheap phone and 1080p LCD screen (free from someone who wanted to trash it) ^^’

        • Venia Silente
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          Thanks. And it’s understandable, I’m guessing most of the people downvoting are the ones who are trying to defend their sunk cost after having bought into a solution without a problem.

          That said, there do are valid use cases for stuff like 1080p or 4K (or for, say, >= 120 fps). I just don’t think modern “big corp” media, or TV shows, are good examples of it. Like, honestly, what do you want to watch Avengers: Endgame in 4K for? To salivate at the warts on The Hulk’s groin?

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            You’re right on that too. Those movies actually look worse in 4k because low resolutions hide the bad CGI.

            I have a large collection of 4k blurays for my favorite movies though. Like Blade Runner 2049 and Dune look fantastic. But not every movie deserves the hard disk space.

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        I’ve never seen any big media content that actually benefits from more than 720p.

        Have you considered seeing an optometrist instead?

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      I wonder when they’ll have to start deleting content to make space again. At some point, adding more and more servers probably won’t be feasible anymore.

      It really is just wild that a service like YouTube is as big as it is and just does its thing.

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        Currently data storage is dirt cheap because globalised mass production of electronics is a wild thing.

        As soon as we get past our current peak everything production at least on copper, rare metals, and petrol (there’s more, I’m just not knowledgeable enough) and we start to have to ration things a bit high res video streaming will be one of the first things to go.

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          And then comes the question, what will they delete first?

          Probably old and therefore maybe irrelevant content, but those old videos from over a decade ago are also mostly lower resolution and bitrate and won’t free up as much space.

          So once that’s exhausted, what goes next?

          Who will have the privilege to stay on the platform, and who won’t? Or in other words, who makes YouTube the most money?

          And once that has to be decided, content will be whatever YouTube wants it to be. Which I can’t imagine being a good thing.

          • @Shapillon@lemmy.world
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            My guess would be deleting higher res versions of less watched videos and unwatched videos alltogether.

            Anyway archiving everything everyone does is - imho - a fool’s errand.

    • @realaether@lemmy.world
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      I hadn’t dealt with video in years (like 2008) and recently used my Canon R6 to record a few seconds of 4k footage.

      After getting over being annoyed at the camera stopping due to overheating after just 5 minutes, I was shocked to see a 7 second clip come to almost 700mb as a raw file.

      Indeed video will probably be the last kind of network to see federation. It could take some pretty generous acts of philanthropy along the way to make anything sustainable happen.

      • @AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml
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        Yeah I did a music video in 4k on an A7s2 and the source files, for what ended up as a 4 minute video, were around 100GB.

        • 100 GB ? that’s cute. I work in a film production company for advertisements, where the recent trend has been for the crew to return after 3-5 days of shooting, with RAIDs filled with somewhere between 15 and 25 TB of raw data. no fun to store all this.

      • @Blackmist@feddit.uk
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        I mean, that’s an extreme example. That’s way above what on even a 4K BR disc.

        I think Netflix is like 6GB for a two hour movie 1080p which is more manageable, but my connection (at a whopping 6Mbps upload) would just about be able to host that for one other person to see.

        Modern connections can do a lot, but it would have to be a large peer to peer solution to be back in the hands of the masses. A couple of Linux nerds with a spare server under their desk isn’t going to cut it. Realistically, popular videos would have to be on a CDN of some sort, and that ain’t particularly cheap at scale.

        Freedom isn’t free, as the song goes.

        • @AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml
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          I’d happily pay for a federated video service tbh. I already pay for YouTube. I didn’t even blink when they raised the price on me because I get so much value out of it

    • @Mayoman68@lemmy.world
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      I was actually thinking about what it would take to have a truly peer to peer video site. Have clients simultaneously consume, serve and transcode content. It would obviously be concentrated in the hands of big enthusiasts and small video companies, but presumably it would be similar to the fediverse where you can choose from many instances.

      • @vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de
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        problem, the way I see it, is that there are wayyyyy more devices that cannot transcode and do not have the storage to maintain a cache, than ones that do. And the ones that can do so for a large number of clients are expensive to run. Much more expensive than stuff like lemmy. It’d be hard to form that kind of ecosystem.

  • @JshKlsn@lemmy.ml
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    I literally have like 1TB of video stored on YouTube and privatized. Google is making $0 from my videos, but they still have to store them and have them available if I want to watch it (it’s all of my Twitch VODs). Meanwhile websites like Streamable perma-delete my 5MB video after it gets 0 views in 2 milliseconds.

    YouTube is a behemoth that will not be replaced.

    • @BCsven@lemmy.ca
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      Someone mentioned youtube was sending notices to people with private videos, about removing them or making public

    • @Cybersteel@lemmy.ml
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      Yep I have a scheduled task that uploads terabytes worth of empty/noise videos up on to YouTube to take up their hosting space as a final hurrah/middle finger to those corporate fat cats/silicon valley pundits.

    • @Misconduct@lemmy.world
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      I wouldn’t count on that and I’d definitely recommend backups. I had a channel full of videos just disappear and I never found out what happened. I just went to check something one day and it was gone. The videos are all gone. Nobody could help I eventually just had to suck it up. From what I read at the time it happens here and there but not to people big enough for there to ever be a stink about it. Someone said it happens if you don’t log on for long enough but I logged in every few months at least for various reasons so I dunno.

      • @JshKlsn@lemmy.ml
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        Oh I don’t. I just move them there because Twitch deletes them after a few days. I don’t care about them, it’s just an easy 1 click button to save them on YouTube.

        In fact I stopped relying on Google services when they banned the Terraria developers Google account and the only way he got it back was by canceling the Stadia release of Terraria.

        Since that day, I switched to ProtonMail with a custom domain, immich.app, proton calendar, and more.

        Realized that unless I have to power to potentially cost Google millions of dollars, Google won’t even look my way.

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          That’s right. You are simply in better hands if you actually pay for a service. If google offers you something for free, they do not really owe you anything, you are not entitled to that service.

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            I priced it out recently and protonmail is more expensive than paying for Google business email and extra space. I thought about switching but I can’t think of a way it will significantly make my life better. I’d rather pay some money so hopefully I’m not the product anymore.

    • Andrzej
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      I mean you’re right that YouTube isn’t going anywhere, but they’re going to either delete that data or start charging you for it at some point

      • @JshKlsn@lemmy.ml
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        I’m shocked they haven’t already. A good 95% of YouTube could be deleted and no one would notice, and would save Google millions and millions of dollars.

        • @BearJCC@lemmy.sdf.org
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          They are starting to delete the data associated to Google accounts that have not signed in in several years. This includes their YouTube videos. I have started downloading the videos from creators that have passed that I still wish to watch.

        • Takatakatakatakatak
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          If they did that, I wouldn’t be able to find a fix for the fuel line getting kinked in my BG86 leaf blower. You know that video with 48 views that exactly solves the problem I am having? Same applies across basically every niche device or mechanical issue and is one of the primary reasons I find myself on youtube.

          • @JshKlsn@lemmy.ml
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            Fair point! However, your argument is almost more reason for Google to do it.

            You find yourself on YouTube for those niche videos, which means you’re the kind of customer YouTube would benefit from getting rid of. A few dozen views from you per year to find niche videos, is not paying them anything, and is wasting a ton of storage. They want people who spend hours upon hours on YouTube per day, essentially replacing TV. Those who spend hours and hours on YouTube, are also generally watching popular videos, or videos that YouTube is recommending, which means a ton of ad views, or even YouTube Premium subscriptions.

            I would absolutely be crushed if YouTube deleted all those random niche videos because I just used one last week to fix my car. Some random ass video showing a potential ground wire issue. I am not saying I want Google to do it, I don’t, but I am definitely shocked they aren’t.

          • @AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml
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            I pay for premium because I rely on those videos way more than I’m comfortable with.

            Finding how to fix a screen issue in my niche 2014 laptop in 2022 was a wild experience.

        • @thawed_caveman@lemmy.world
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          Sometimes i feel bad for YouTube. Video hosting is the worst of both worlds (heaviest storage and highest bandwidth) and there’s a LOT of video on YouTube, most of it worthless.

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            and they keep the original file as well as their converted file. So every video you upload is stored at least twice. Technically more, because popular videos are stored on multiple servers to ensure fast load times no matter where you live. It’s crazy. I would love to see a behind the scenes your of YouTube, and a live stat counter page. It would seem fake.

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        The university I work for just got hit with this. We used to give our alums free Google services (including unlimited storage) because that’s what was in our contract. Well Google changed their minds and now we have to pay out the ass for that space, so we’re just dropping google instead (which is ultimately what they wanted tbh). Our users are fucking livid too saying like “I had 15 terabytes of shit on there!”. Well, sorry! That shit costs money.

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      Try WireMin, someone recommended it from another post. Its a decentralized version of FB, people described it as combination of Mastodon + Session.

      • E2EE messaging
      • Feed for blog post

      Decentralized network, So no central server to collect user data, and they can’t implement any restriction rules, so 0 banning and censorship

      • @gengear@lemmy.cafe
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        WireMin

        I dont see any source code, so I wouldn’t trust it, especially with the fact that you already mentioned two alternatives that are open source, that will fill the gap.

        • Wothe
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          Not being open source is pretty damaging to their user acquisition, I guess. Well it did not ask for my personal info when creating an account, so I trusted it at first.

          For now I use both Mastodon and Session, and still kept WireMin on my phone because it combines them both. I look forward to the day when they finally publish their source code.

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        “Free speech: no cancelling”
        Doesnt seem appealing to me…

        • sebinspace
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          I know there’s nothing wrong with those things, but the kind of people using the word “cancelling” and “free speech” are the kinds I try not to associate with

  • @TheTechNerd@lemmy.world
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    I think you can replace all social media with a decentralized version, except YouTube. Reason is cost and monetization.

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          Which description? That Wikipedia article says “The aim is to provide an alternative to centralized platforms such as YouTube, Vimeo, and Dailymotion.”

          • @Ilovethebomb@lemmy.world
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            The difference to YouTube is that it’s not intended to create a huge platform centralizing videos from the whole world on a single server farm (which is horribly expensive).

            From their website. It’s a very different system, and also not funded by advertisers, which means someone else has to pay the bills.

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              Is PeerTube’s purpose to replace YouTube?

              We can answer with certainty: no!

              The ambition remains to be a free and decentralized alternative: the goal of an alternative is not to replace, but to propose something else, with different values, in parallel to what already exists.

              They’re saying they’re not a “replacement” because it’s a decentralized alternative to something centralized. Not because it can’t serve the same needs for technical or economic reasons.

    • @Guster@lemmy.world
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      Even if YouTube is questionable on privacy-YouTube have more of a product unlike social media where you are the product

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        with youtube, youre still the product, but at least you get something from it

    • @Auli@lemmy.ca
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      Yep people don’t realize the cost of running YouTube, and why all the creators are there.

      • @RisingSwell@lemmy.world
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        It’s probably easier to replace Amazon than YouTube. Free streaming services don’t make money, YouTube loses money, Twitch loses money, Kick loses money, the Microsoft one before it died was losing money. If it’s free to watch it loses money, and these are companies that do a ton of work to try and make it not lose money, and it just doesn’t work.

      • This is fine🔥🐶☕🔥
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        You don’t need to replace Amazon in it’s entirety. You just need to shop from different places selling only a particular category (clothes, books, computer hardware, pet supplies etc) or straight from brand’s shop. At least that’s what I’ve been doing. Also haven’t renewed my prime subscription for last 2 years.

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        All the power to those that like Amazon but I have never bought anything from Amazon and never will. I always look up the cheapest option (that is trustworthy) which Amazon never is. Plus I don’t like their business model just like I don’t like media mark (they killed of many stores by selling for huge losses for years). we want competition so we want as many stores as possible, we also want experts, so I rather go to a store that sells x type of products not x, y, z and also b like Amazon do.

        Also big stores like Amazon only makes sense in the physical form, jumping between stores online isn’t physical draining.

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    So for twitter it’s mastodon, for reddit it’s lemmy, for youtube odysee maybe, but what is it for facebook?

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      Reddit also has Kbin which is cross compatible with Lemmy as well. YouTube has PeerTube also. Facebook has Friendica, Diaspora, and Hubzilla. The issue with Facebook is that its much more dependent on specific users. You either want friends or companies from my experiences. So without either of those, there’s a lot less to do. Random feeds of strangers make more sense on the other platforms.

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      but what is it for facebook?

      I volunteer my trash can for Facebook, should do a decent job and it already has the smell to match, so we don’t need to waste time implementing that feature

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      I have not heard of odyssey and google isn’t giving good results. Can you link it?

    • Alex 🐭
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      Mastodon -> Twitter

      Friendica -> Facebook

      Pixelfed -> Instagram

      Lemmy/kbin -> Reddit

      PeerTube -> Youtube

      Owncast -> Twitch

      FunkWhale/Castopod -> Music/Podcast

      BookWyrm -> Goodreads

      WriteFreely -> Blog

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      Friendica, as others have said. Mobilizon looks good for less of the family-and-friends aspect of the platform.

      Odysee/LBRY is just another bit of crypto crap. Another desperate attempt to create an off-ramp for people who have invested in digital trash actually cash out, by bringing in a fresh wave of lesser fools. PeerTube is the fediverse equivalent to YouTube.

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        Odysee/LBRY is just another bit of crypto crap.

        That, and while it was kinda nice in the beginning with a bunch of Linux / Tech / Science creators and a friendly community, it quickly became dominated by bigotry and conspiracy theories.

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      I thought Friedica and Diaspora are similar to the core Facebook stuff. But I have never used them

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    Peertube already exist. If you have to upload a video to show someone on the internet it’s already more convenient than youtube as you don’t have to login and access with google accounts.

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      you can use youtube without a google account?

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        You can. You can’t subscribe or use it ad free but I have no issues going to YouTube and just searching for what I need. No account required.

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        I don’t think so. Creating accounts on Peertube is much easier as it’s decentralized, some instances won’t care about your data such telephone number

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          Also, if you make your own instance, you can fully control the data flow.

  • @Gorilladrums@lemmy.world
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    Mastadon, Searx, Fediverse, and so on aren’t killing or replacing the sites they’re modeled after, not even close. They’re just providing a privacy focused alternative for those who don’t want to whored out by corporations or abused by powermods or shitty business decisions

    • Fine platform buuuut lots of nuts over there, I watched Mental Outlaw and Brightside Films i think(?) and got straight up nazi stuff on the recommendations sidebar, the comments on some videos are also kinda insane

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        Fair point. I saw some crazy recommendations, but nothing that wild.

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    Yeah, no. The deaths of those websites have not happened yet, and when they do, the Fediverse will not be the one holding the scythe