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Image description: Image shows batches 1, 2 and 3 sold out for the Ryzen 7 7840HS which costs $1,399.
For now both DIY and prebuild edition (all configurations) are in batch 4 which ships in late Q4 2023.
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Now they’re up to Batch 6 (first Q1 batch!)
I was waiting for the options to be available. I guess it sold out fast. Now I would have to wait until early 2024. However, I need a laptop now. I guess I’ll have to buy something else and upgrade to framework when that upgrade breaks.
I almost threw my hat in this ring but I must wait on people who use Linux to get ahold of it and review it. Proably an early 2024 buy date for me.
I was not a huge fan of the Intel Framework, I used mine for a few weeks in January and had substantial issues with their recommended Ubuntu install. Aside from the battery life, I remember regular OS things were breaking pretty much daily. In the end I returned for a hardware issue (it stopped charging).
Hopefully an AMD core will help at least with battery life, but it seems like Linux users aren’t a primary target. I’m not turned off them forever as I am still conceptually into it, but I’ll wait a bit before trying again.
Same boat. Need those concrete reviews this time around.
At least for framework 13, Linux support was great. I am guessing the same trend would continue. More details here. https://frame.work/linux
EDIT: my comment got eaten and I don’t want to type it again.
TLDR: I had the FW 11 gen and it was not good with Linux when it came to being a laptop. Sleep was fundamentally broken due to hardware issue.
they advertise ubuntu compatibility and the hardware has been out a short while now, so odds are it’s going to be just golden.
I’ve been curious about these framework laptops for a while now. They seem pretty rad, but I really only compute on desktop, have a work provided laptop that could never be this, and the only other computer I need in my life is a Mac for app development, which this can’t fulfill. If I ever need a non-Mac laptop for personal use, framework would be the thing though.
I just looked at the framework site. My wifes laptop died recently and was looking at a new one.
Literally everything from the last year is out of stock new stock is pre-order only.
I think they may have some 11th gen models still.
I just bought the wife a Thinkpad T480 refurb instead for 400 bucks.
Does Framework do anything regarding FOSS drivers or firmware?
I have personally used fedora and nixos on a gen 1 framework 13 and it works great.
Does Framework do anything regarding FOSS drivers or firmware?
Regarding your question they say this:
We deliberately selected components and modules that didn’t require new kernel driver development and have been providing distro maintainers with pre-release hardware to test to improve compatibility. We’re also working on enabling firmware updates through LVFS to complete the Linux experience.
source: https://frame.work/gb/en/linux
It’s good to know it uses drivers already there. Sadly being part of the kernal somehow doesn’t guarantee the driver are not proprietary binary blobs.
That is great! When the fuck can i buy one?
Been two years now since i first heard about Framework from the first LTT video on it (just checked at that video actualy came out in july 2021), and i was allready looking at replacing my laptop, so i thought Framework would be great to get.
Now two years have passed, and they still aren’t available in my region. Couldn’t realy delay the replacement any more, so now i have ended up getting a different laptop, meaning even i Framework became available here soon, i won’t buy a new laptop for 5-6 years at least.
What is your region?
Northern Europe.
Last i checked (a couple of months back), they were finaly working on keyboard layouts for the area, but still no info on when te laptops would be available around here.
Have you considered a parcel forwarding service?
Sure you may need to shovel an extra 50, but might be worth it. They’re on sale in Germany and France, for example.
I did, when I realised it would take a while and started looking elsewhere.
But since they officialy do not condone it, and have some language in their TOS and warranty, i didn’t bother with it, since while anything they might do against it in regards to warranty wouldn’t hold up in a legal sense, i didn’t want to be the one to test that if it should happen.
Indeed I have placed a pre order today and noticed that disclaimer as well.
Funny, over here in central Europe, I had no problem at all…
Probably because they have released in the major central european countries: https://knowledgebase.frame.work/what-countries-and-regions-do-you-ship-to-r1899ikiO
You can also buy MiniPCs from bee-link or others with same AMD or others powerful ones for cheap, if you don’t absolutely need a laptop
You could also buy soup from the grocery store if you’re hungry.
Yeah? That’s a perfectly valid thing to do.
Thanks for validating my lunch choices.
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Fuck, I’m just trying to buy clothes.
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I want to continue quoting the video but people not in the know would just think I’m being rude to you haha
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look, if you don’t judge me for my preferences, I won’t judge yours
If I didn’t have several laptops already I’d have picked one of these up.
I want one so fucking badly, but I can’t really justify the cost. But I could… Just… Get one anyway. Somebody help me.
Also, when will they be delivered? Not that quickly I suppose? Edit: I can’t read apparently.
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While we’re at it, let’s also split up the keyboard and have numpad in the middle (or a blank panel if you don’t want a numpad)
Interesting, never seen something like this. What’s the benefit using these?
Better, more accurate touch typing essentially.
Source please.
There is none. There isn’t a single piece of research that has found ortho to be superior in any way. It’s not faster, it’s not more accurate, it’s not more ergonomic. It is for hipsters that want to be different. You’re certainly entitled to like ortho keyboards. But you should not lie about benefits.
Man, didn’t expect to get my ass reamed for such a simple opinion lol. Personally speaking I feel like I’m more accurate and I have a better time finding where the keys are when touch typing.
I think a “better… for me” is sufficient. Input devices are so personal, almost every statement about them should end in “for me”.
Track points are so much better… for me.
Macbook touchpads are obviously superior… for me.
Mechanical keyboards have such a better tactile feel… for me.
Ad nausem for trackballs, Bluetooth devices, wired devices, in-ear/over-ear/open/closed headphones.
How about you put up some source that backs up your opinion?
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I love that I got to experience the computer revolution from (nearly) the start to its current state, but damn, I really do resent some of the bad habits I’ve picked up due to technical limitations that existed when I got started. I think ortho looks just so much better and more comfortable, but the typewriter layout is firmly engrained in my muscle memory…
They have ergonomic QWERTY keyboards for decades now actually. I’m still rocking my Microsoft ergonomic keyboard from years back.
The ergonomic keyboards I’ve seen still had offset keyboard rows, rather than the ortholinear setup shown in the tweet linked above. It’s the uniform spacing and grid layout that I’ve never seen before (not to say that means its new; just new to me!).
thanks. I remember looking at something like this years ago but it was really new and it did not list any parts which turned me off at the time as I want to know I can get parts later. I don’t know if this is the same thing or just similar but going to think about getting one of these (when I can)
I’m really happy they’re seeing good demand. Fully upgradable laptops have been a dream of mine for years and I’ve been thinking when it’s time for me to replace mine, the Framework would be at the top of my list.
My only hesitation points when I first heard about the laptop was whether the company would survive long enough to make upgrades/accessories and whether the main board upgrades would actually work. The concept was, as you say, a dream.
Both of those concerns have faded away for me, my next laptop is pretty much 100% going to be a framework. Just need to stop spending money on dumb stuff so I can afford it…
Glad to see! I want this to be the future of laptops.
I really hope they are successful, I would get one too if I didnt need a new laptop.
Still have my trusty Lenovo X1 Carbon 5th Gen. Once this laptop dies or my system requiments change, I will get a Framework system.
If it’s still around by then.
The problem is we all love this kind of user supported laptop, but we never buy it soon enough and in enough quantity for the independent company to stay viable. We all individually always have some reason why we don’t buy as soon as they come out.
I hope I’m wrong, but this is what I’ve seen in the past with other laptops from independent companies.
It probably will. That’s not their first try, it’s like the 3rd iteration and they still support the original one.
waits excitedly for Framework to ship in my region
It’s fine, my current laptop has a couple of years life left in it. They’ll open up orders by then right? Right?
To find the answer , stay tune we’ll be right after this commercial break 📺.
( Later on, story was told that they never returned… )
