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Image description: Image shows batches 1, 2 and 3 sold out for the Ryzen 7 7840HS which costs $1,399.
For now both DIY and prebuild edition (all configurations) are in batch 4 which ships in late Q4 2023.
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Now they’re up to Batch 6 (first Q1 batch!)
I was waiting for the options to be available. I guess it sold out fast. Now I would have to wait until early 2024. However, I need a laptop now. I guess I’ll have to buy something else and upgrade to framework when that upgrade breaks.
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Wasn’t 2016 the prime self-destructing keyboard year? How is that thing still working?
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Should be easy to differentiate. 2016 was the Touchbar year, born from macOS’ continued toxic relationship with keyboard shortcuts.
In my experience, 2016 also marked when MBP keyboards got extraordinarily painful as the key travel is like 0.5mm and it felt like typing on a glass plate.
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He’d reply, but his keyboard just broke.
You can also buy MiniPCs from bee-link or others with same AMD or others powerful ones for cheap, if you don’t absolutely need a laptop
You could also buy soup from the grocery store if you’re hungry.
Yeah? That’s a perfectly valid thing to do.
Thanks for validating my lunch choices.
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Fuck, I’m just trying to buy clothes.
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look, if you don’t judge me for my preferences, I won’t judge yours
I want to continue quoting the video but people not in the know would just think I’m being rude to you haha
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waits excitedly for Framework to ship in my region
It’s fine, my current laptop has a couple of years life left in it. They’ll open up orders by then right? Right?
To find the answer , stay tune we’ll be right after this commercial break 📺.
( Later on, story was told that they never returned… )
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Interesting, never seen something like this. What’s the benefit using these?
Better, more accurate touch typing essentially.
Source please.
There is none. There isn’t a single piece of research that has found ortho to be superior in any way. It’s not faster, it’s not more accurate, it’s not more ergonomic. It is for hipsters that want to be different. You’re certainly entitled to like ortho keyboards. But you should not lie about benefits.
Man, didn’t expect to get my ass reamed for such a simple opinion lol. Personally speaking I feel like I’m more accurate and I have a better time finding where the keys are when touch typing.
I think a “better… for me” is sufficient. Input devices are so personal, almost every statement about them should end in “for me”.
Track points are so much better… for me.
Macbook touchpads are obviously superior… for me.
Mechanical keyboards have such a better tactile feel… for me.
Ad nausem for trackballs, Bluetooth devices, wired devices, in-ear/over-ear/open/closed headphones.
How about you put up some source that backs up your opinion?
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I love that I got to experience the computer revolution from (nearly) the start to its current state, but damn, I really do resent some of the bad habits I’ve picked up due to technical limitations that existed when I got started. I think ortho looks just so much better and more comfortable, but the typewriter layout is firmly engrained in my muscle memory…
They have ergonomic QWERTY keyboards for decades now actually. I’m still rocking my Microsoft ergonomic keyboard from years back.
The ergonomic keyboards I’ve seen still had offset keyboard rows, rather than the ortholinear setup shown in the tweet linked above. It’s the uniform spacing and grid layout that I’ve never seen before (not to say that means its new; just new to me!).
While we’re at it, let’s also split up the keyboard and have numpad in the middle (or a blank panel if you don’t want a numpad)
That is great! When the fuck can i buy one?
Been two years now since i first heard about Framework from the first LTT video on it (just checked at that video actualy came out in july 2021), and i was allready looking at replacing my laptop, so i thought Framework would be great to get.
Now two years have passed, and they still aren’t available in my region. Couldn’t realy delay the replacement any more, so now i have ended up getting a different laptop, meaning even i Framework became available here soon, i won’t buy a new laptop for 5-6 years at least.
What is your region?
Northern Europe.
Last i checked (a couple of months back), they were finaly working on keyboard layouts for the area, but still no info on when te laptops would be available around here.
Funny, over here in central Europe, I had no problem at all…
Probably because they have released in the major central european countries: https://knowledgebase.frame.work/what-countries-and-regions-do-you-ship-to-r1899ikiO
Have you considered a parcel forwarding service?
Sure you may need to shovel an extra 50, but might be worth it. They’re on sale in Germany and France, for example.
I did, when I realised it would take a while and started looking elsewhere.
But since they officialy do not condone it, and have some language in their TOS and warranty, i didn’t bother with it, since while anything they might do against it in regards to warranty wouldn’t hold up in a legal sense, i didn’t want to be the one to test that if it should happen.
Indeed I have placed a pre order today and noticed that disclaimer as well.
Hell yeah Framework deserves all the goodness coming their way. I have an ASUS that’s serving me well for now, but I think when I go to replace it next year, they’re the ones I’m going to. Hopefully by then, they have AMD boards in the smaller sizes.
I believe Ryzen 7000 boards are already available for preorder in the 13 inch. Preorders are supposed to ship starting late 2023, so you should be all good by next year.
Oh hey that’s great news. Thanks for the update. I hadn’t seen any news about that recently, though admittedly I haven’t been looking.
Next time I need to replace my laptop I’ll be getting a Framework if possible. I hate having old electronics go to waste and my devices are usually still in very good condition, just the internals can’t keep up, so this sort of laptop was made for me. Plus I love tinkering with electronics and some of those modules look interesting!
Same here. I’m not ready to refresh yet, so I’m cheering on the current runs selling out so I’ll get a chance later. Glad to hear they’re having success with the 16 inch model.
Does Framework do anything regarding FOSS drivers or firmware?
I have personally used fedora and nixos on a gen 1 framework 13 and it works great.
Does Framework do anything regarding FOSS drivers or firmware?
Regarding your question they say this:
We deliberately selected components and modules that didn’t require new kernel driver development and have been providing distro maintainers with pre-release hardware to test to improve compatibility. We’re also working on enabling firmware updates through LVFS to complete the Linux experience.
source: https://frame.work/gb/en/linux
It’s good to know it uses drivers already there. Sadly being part of the kernal somehow doesn’t guarantee the driver are not proprietary binary blobs.
I bought a framework laptop for my significant other last year and it’s amazing. It feels super solid like a Macbook but is easy to open and change out parts. Nothing has broken but adding some ram was probably the most pleasant experience I have had working on a laptop. Plus, the main PCB can run without the rest of the laptop so perhaps a great home automation server or TV computer if we upgrade.
My next machine is definitely going to be one of these. Way cheaper than Apple if you want more than 8G of RAM and a decent amount of disk space.
Not by as much as I thought it would be honestly. About 20%.
When I configured it, a 13" mac pro with 16GB ram and 1TB SSD is $1600 from apple, the 13" framework with 16GB ram and 1TB SSD is $1065. That comes out to a 60% difference for the most basic configuration I would consider.
I’ll have to double check. I did the latest MacBook Air and the latest gen Intel and AMD for the Framework. Upped the CPU and battery on the Framework to keep it competitive with the Mac’s battery life and it came out to $1450.
I also kept them to 16GB RAM and 1TB storage.
Fixed typos. And now I want a 1TB battery.
thanks. I remember looking at something like this years ago but it was really new and it did not list any parts which turned me off at the time as I want to know I can get parts later. I don’t know if this is the same thing or just similar but going to think about getting one of these (when I can)
I really like the idea but two things stop me… one is cost. They’re considerably more expensive than laptops elsewhere. The seconf is the unproven long term uogtwdeability. In 5 years time when I’m looking to upgrade will framewotk be selling parts that let me do that? A new CPU board and I’m sorted… Ot is it a whole new laptop. I suspect the latter.
I’m sorry, but I fuckin lost it at “uogtwdeability”
At ‘o’ I was thinking “oh their right hand is shifted”. Then at ‘t’ I’m wondering if they use their right hand for ‘r’ but now they are shifted the other way. Finally it finishes at ‘w’ and now they are shifted the other way again and up a row. My conclusion is that they hover their hands above keyboard without touching and just smash down in the general direction of the keys.
The obvious answer is phone keyboard but that’s not as fun.
When I’m not paying attention sometimes one hand will get shifted and I’ll write it a whole sentence with half of the letters offset.
If they are indeed using a phone keyboard, I can only assume the autocorrect was so confused it simply gave up. Either that or they have it turned off.
- Have you looked at other laptops elsewhere? They are a very comparable price. This is the going rate for a laptop of that spec.
- Unproven upgradability? They are quite literally the ONLY laptop manufacturer to have provided ANY upgradability in the last 5 years. Why are you concerned about them letting you upgrade in 5 years when no one else lets you upgrade even next year?
The base £1700 price (and that’s with no ports or hard drive! So more like 2k) is about £800 from HP.
You’re paying for upgradeability. If you can’t upgrade, you’re wasting the money.
But it does have ports and storage? It specifically defaults to 6 USB-C expansion slots which can be switched to USB-A for no price increase or for a minimal price increase any other port.
It also comes with a 512GB SSD. The only thing it doesn’t come with is the dedicated GPU which is an extra £400.
I’m guessing Linus’s investment is safe then :)
His investment is probably part of why these are such a hot commodity.
The media presence and advertising from LMG is worth a crazy amount. His followers are the exact target audience of this device and as long as he’s showing off what they’re up to I think they’ll continue to sell like this.
And we as tech enthusiasts will also recommend them to others, for obvious reasons.
I currently own a macbook and i am scared of the day thered any issues with it
Spot on. I would have no idea Framework existed without LTT, and I likely would not have clicked into the article or comments on this thread, either.
Never heard of them before this but the name and sold out had me curious so I looked them up. If I was in the market for laptop this would for sure be my top choice. I greatly prefer my desktop and anything I can’t do there I just do on my phone so everytime I get the itch for a laptop I regret buying it because it ends up just sitting.
I’m really happy they’re seeing good demand. Fully upgradable laptops have been a dream of mine for years and I’ve been thinking when it’s time for me to replace mine, the Framework would be at the top of my list.
My only hesitation points when I first heard about the laptop was whether the company would survive long enough to make upgrades/accessories and whether the main board upgrades would actually work. The concept was, as you say, a dream.
Both of those concerns have faded away for me, my next laptop is pretty much 100% going to be a framework. Just need to stop spending money on dumb stuff so I can afford it…
Is this one of those gadgets that drives companies to pollute more by creating useless periferics
not me searching for what a periferics was
that’s the weirdest, most backwards and worst take I have seen about framework, ever. Congratulations, I don’t think anyone will ever going to top this amount of dribble
It is a fully upgradable and repairable laptop. Framework also offers an enclosure to use old boards as mini desktop PCs, or as a home server, or whatever. Nothing goes to waste.
Yeah I would think if anything this is more sustainable because you can just easily swap the parts that need upgrading instead of having to scrap the whole laptop.
