So ppl switching from one VC-funded centralised corpo platform to another VC-funded (slitghly less) centralised corpo platform is a good thing?
big X
just because it’s OSS doesn’t make it good. The corp still hold all the power and might sell out, but at least they got free volunteers to program for them so the C-level could get more money!
(now don’t tell me that Bluesky is “federated”. They still hold all the power over site rules and moderation. The only little concession you get is that you are allowed to host your own data)
the great migration to another investor-backed patiently waiting disaster. enjoy it while it’s good. if only they used activitypub. Mastodon is just too confusing for the average person, it will never take off. bluesky streamlines everything into being simple and understandable to the average user. I laugh when I see people circle jerking about being better than twitter when in reality it was started by the same people and all it takes is someone with too much money and it’ll be another fall-off story.
edit: I say this as someone who uses it, beats using shitter in it’s festering decaying state.
Mastodon is just too confusing for the average person
You’re mistaking motivation for ability. If you understand email, you can understand Mastodon.
You think the average person understands email?
I think the average person understands how to use email.
No, the average person understands how to make a Gmail account. They don’t understand email whatsoever.
Bluesky is VC-funded. Enshittification incoming.
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Its open source isn’t it? It still has the same problems but on a privacy level, having it be open source is much better.
reddit was open source as well.
was
Bluesky actually has content though. Unless all you want is linux and news.
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I don’t know. Lots of folks pointing out That Part Of Twitter (TPOT) also migrating over.
Meaning like the rationalist / effective altruism guys? Would have thought they’d be prone to sticking with Musk
The postrat folk. The deep value Silicon Valley folk. Core Techbro kind of people.
Would have thought they’d be prone to sticking with Musk
Ditto, but at the same time. Being with daddy Musk might be too traditional at this point. No idea the reasons, but you can to see a lot of this popping up in that circle on Twitter.
TPOT → Bluesky is actually an interesting example of what looks like a successful transplantation… quasi-existential concerns about Elon Twitter, vibes have been off leading to big cascades of migration tend to happen after inciting incidents (eg twitter banning substack links being a canary in the coal mine)
You know the “I sound super thoughtful” kind of stuff. Lots of praise from that Group on XTwitter/Bluesky.
Interesting. As with any problematic group that makes the transition it’s a bit annoying to have to deal with them on the new platform, but they shouldn’t be banned and them moving is a great sign that bluesky has the juice.
Yeah, something got in their crawl and Bluesky is on low key TPOT rising.
Someone did a post on it, you can see the map that was done in the picture there with TPOT in blue.
I don’t know why they started coalescing on Bluesky, but it is what it is. If they get annoying there, I know how to mute them. But as long as that doesn’t also herald the “free speech absolutists” that literally add zero value, I’m cool with TPOT heading to Bluesky.
Besides, I’m more active on Fedi/Mastodon at this point than Threads/Bluesky so it’s not really a pressing thing for me. I mean shit, I wouldn’t have a problem with Musk’s network if he’d clamp down on the utter trash going on over there. Like it’s gotten to pure garbage, I haven’t the time to block everyone who pops into my feeds that how hard the algo there is pushing the trash.
On Bluesky anyone who really hates TPOT can make a block list that anyone can subscribe to and you never have to think of it again. You can also easily flag accounts to include on the list.
If TPOT moved en masse to Mastodon, across many different instances, how would someone achieve the same thing? My understanding is they don’t have any similar feature. As long as “just block them all individually or hope they all move to one shitty instance you can block” is the solution, it’s going to fail to attract people.
Instances that welcome that part of Twitter are mostly defederated.
In that case the instance you’re on is basically the block list, right? That’s good, especially if most instances are really dedicated to stamping out that kind of thing. But if/when Mastodon gets big, it becomes a problem of scale.
In practical terms it’s kind of unrealistic to expect T&S to deal with people because they have garbage takes; most of their day is going to be dealing with the usual internet nightmare sludge, which is where I think block lists become a real utility on the user end of things. In addition to the advantage of just making the blocked users shout into the void when 90% of the site wants nothing to do with their ass, which I can tell you from observation makes them extremely mad.
Anything that requires end users to react to trolls in a reactive way and in a troll by troll basis, and only after the troll has dropped their payload is going to take its toll on vulnerable folk.
Big popular blocklists that people subscribe to aren’t always the answer, because they also have a history of incidentally impacting marginalised groups, even when they’re trying to protect them.
luckily bluesky has strong moderation tools and community managed block listn, so you can totally limit the voices of those folk
Why?
The internet at large is still a cesspool.
The only difference is who is in control of it.
Community is and always has been important. The key is and airways has been your ability to effectively curate your community. It is a cesspool if and only if you lack that ability
Lemmy does not understand that people are leaving X cuz of Nazis, not cuz it’s a centralized corpo platform.
There were Nazis on X for years before this. They’re leaving because Trump won.
To a platform that has been on the record about not kicking ouy Nazis, though.
Pretty sure a significant portion of nazis are also moving to bluesky
But on Bluesky you don’t get them shoved in your face and there is culture of just blocking Nazis and moving on.
Ignoring the Nazis in the room, rather than barring them from entey, is enabling Nazis
They aren’t being ignored. Bluesky has real moderation, they are being banned.
If no one gives the Nazi an audience they will go away eventually.
But they don’t. They just formm small communities and slowly work their way back up to power.
Might take 50+ years, but it’ll happen again and again until crushed out.
I was at a shitty crustpunk bar once getting an after-work beer. One of those shitholes where the bartenders clearly hate you. So the bartender and I were ignoring one another when someone sits next to me and he immediately says, “no. get out.”
And the dude next to me says, “hey i’m not doing anything, i’m a paying customer.” and the bartender reaches under the counter for a bat or something and says, “out. now.” and the dude leaves, kind of yelling. And he was dressed in a punk uniform, I noticed
Anyway, I asked what that was about and the bartender was like, “you didn’t see his vest but it was all nazi shit. Iron crosses and stuff. You get to recognize them.”
And i was like, ohok and he continues.
"you have to nip it in the bud immediately. These guys come in and it’s always a nice, polite one. And you serve them because you don’t want to cause a scene. And then they become a regular and after awhile they bring a friend. And that dude is cool too.
And then THEY bring friends and the friends bring friends and they stop being cool and then you realize, oh shit, this is a Nazi bar now. And it’s too late because they’re entrenched and if you try to kick them out, they cause a PROBLEM. So you have to shut them down.
And i was like, ‘oh damn.’ and he said “yeah, you have to ignore their reasonable arguments because their end goal is to be terrible, awful people.”
And then he went back to ignoring me. But I haven’t forgotten that at all.
- @iamragesparkle
If they get blocked constantly chances are they are also getting reported for their behaviour and eventually banned.
Elon turned it into his own personal Nazi blog where people can’t block him.
OP has posted (and re-posted) about Bluesky about 40 times in the last 48 hours. I’m down voting every single one. Quit shilling for billionaires.
Are they a bot??
If it was owned by the community that moderated it, then yes. But no it’s owned by another rich asshole.
I just moved our D&D account over there.
What a fucking lib take… See you on Mastodon after Dorsey fuck y’all over again
Even if dorsey is too busy sniffing his own farts bluesky is built on vc money just like twitter was. This is the same song and every one is just dancing to the same old hollow tune.
I’m positive at least some of the servers that house Lemmy and its FOSS sister networks are housed in VC companies. The amount of people who can support that data and the servers it resides on is small without Corps being in the mix.
We’re not exactly winning over here on Lemmy or Mastodon. I’ve been a member of the Mastodon community for close to 6 years or so. It isn’t a reasonable replacement for Twitter because (for what I used it for, which had nothing to do with Micro logging), it doesn’t do what I need it to because the number of people I want to follow there are few and far between. Bands, book authors, local news networks, international news networks. I’m not likely to find out about school closings on Mastodon.
I get my school closings on mastodon already https://m.ai6yr.org/@nwsalbuquerque_bot try harder because all I’m hearing is capitalist jock riding and should do that in private.
Right up until you sit through his 6min speech on 1A. It’s like the goal is to turn all social media platforms into Twitter.
Most smart people left Twitter years ago. Dont make the same mistakes again and again. We can build a better web on the fedi. Heavily EDITED lol.
If you were still on Twitter, please dont join Mastodon, we dont want you.
STFU orsay you are speaking for yourself. Fedi is for everyone that’s the whole point of the exercise.They can’t handle when people don’t think like them, simple as that. They want their own echo chamber, and BlueSky is the perfect one at this moment.
Yeah that was a bit extreme lol, I deleted it. I am just tired of seeing so many posts that promotes another capitalist solution that will inevitably lead to the same result. Meanwhile the open alternatives are fully working but snubbed by far too many people. We have the power to build a better, more fair web, it just needs more people to get involved.
amen
do we really want people that waited until now to even think about an alternative to fascists media?
Right up until you sit through his 6min speech on 1A. It’s like the goal is to turn all social media platforms into Twitter.
