It’s venture capital. Eventually it will stop being open source and will enshitify just like every other platform. So nothing is changing long term in my opinion.
Whhhhhhy?
This is the same thing. This is the exact same type of platform that will eventually go the same way. This is shooting yourself in the foot once, then aiming the shotgun at the other foot and pulling the trigger thinking that the bullet was a fluke the first time.
Because most people switching don’t know (or care) about the fediverse and decentralization. They are regular internet users who just want to get away from the cesspool that is twitter, so they go where other people are going.
To be fair Musk buying twitter and turning it into a Nazi propaganda site was kind of flukey.
Twitter was already really bad, Musk just brought back the Nazis and fired all the people that were the guardrails.
Bluesky just got major investment from a crypto bro…
It’s not flukey…
Was it though?
A billionaire buys or funds a privately owned platform and does with it as he pleases, despite the obviously humanitarian route being something different. Have we really never seen that before?
Sure the billionaire buying stuff thing happens, but a Nazi billionaire?
I don’t know. Lots of folks pointing out That Part Of Twitter (TPOT) also migrating over.
Meaning like the rationalist / effective altruism guys? Would have thought they’d be prone to sticking with Musk
The postrat folk. The deep value Silicon Valley folk. Core Techbro kind of people.
Would have thought they’d be prone to sticking with Musk
Ditto, but at the same time. Being with daddy Musk might be too traditional at this point. No idea the reasons, but you can to see a lot of this popping up in that circle on Twitter.
TPOT → Bluesky is actually an interesting example of what looks like a successful transplantation… quasi-existential concerns about Elon Twitter, vibes have been off leading to big cascades of migration tend to happen after inciting incidents (eg twitter banning substack links being a canary in the coal mine)
You know the “I sound super thoughtful” kind of stuff. Lots of praise from that Group on XTwitter/Bluesky.
Interesting. As with any problematic group that makes the transition it’s a bit annoying to have to deal with them on the new platform, but they shouldn’t be banned and them moving is a great sign that bluesky has the juice.
Yeah, something got in their crawl and Bluesky is on low key TPOT rising.
Someone did a post on it, you can see the map that was done in the picture there with TPOT in blue.
I don’t know why they started coalescing on Bluesky, but it is what it is. If they get annoying there, I know how to mute them. But as long as that doesn’t also herald the “free speech absolutists” that literally add zero value, I’m cool with TPOT heading to Bluesky.
Besides, I’m more active on Fedi/Mastodon at this point than Threads/Bluesky so it’s not really a pressing thing for me. I mean shit, I wouldn’t have a problem with Musk’s network if he’d clamp down on the utter trash going on over there. Like it’s gotten to pure garbage, I haven’t the time to block everyone who pops into my feeds that how hard the algo there is pushing the trash.
On Bluesky anyone who really hates TPOT can make a block list that anyone can subscribe to and you never have to think of it again. You can also easily flag accounts to include on the list.
If TPOT moved en masse to Mastodon, across many different instances, how would someone achieve the same thing? My understanding is they don’t have any similar feature. As long as “just block them all individually or hope they all move to one shitty instance you can block” is the solution, it’s going to fail to attract people.
Instances that welcome that part of Twitter are mostly defederated.
In that case the instance you’re on is basically the block list, right? That’s good, especially if most instances are really dedicated to stamping out that kind of thing. But if/when Mastodon gets big, it becomes a problem of scale.
In practical terms it’s kind of unrealistic to expect T&S to deal with people because they have garbage takes; most of their day is going to be dealing with the usual internet nightmare sludge, which is where I think block lists become a real utility on the user end of things. In addition to the advantage of just making the blocked users shout into the void when 90% of the site wants nothing to do with their ass, which I can tell you from observation makes them extremely mad.
Anything that requires end users to react to trolls in a reactive way and in a troll by troll basis, and only after the troll has dropped their payload is going to take its toll on vulnerable folk.
Big popular blocklists that people subscribe to aren’t always the answer, because they also have a history of incidentally impacting marginalised groups, even when they’re trying to protect them.
luckily bluesky has strong moderation tools and community managed block listn, so you can totally limit the voices of those folk
Bluesky is VC-funded. Enshittification incoming.
Wish they would go to Mastodon, even Threads which is on the fediverse.
That decentralized and self-hostable platforms like Lemmy are fringe does not give me hope for the future of social networks on the Internet.
They don’t have to have everyone on them to be good. In some ways it’s preferable not to. Reddit was far better before the Digg migration, and we might already be living in the golden years of Lemmy and not even realize it.
I don’t know, Reddit also has more niche communities that just don’t have enough people in platforms like Lemmy.
It’s true, that’s the advantage of a larger user base. But when I compare my homepage of Reddit after 15 years of refinement to that of my lemmy homepage after 1 year, my lemmy one is way better. Most of those niche communities devolve into memes and nonsense like the same questions being asked over and over and over again after a while. Great for searching, but for actually getting content on a regular basis from, mostly a waste of time.
This is true, it’s like other platforms that value content creation rather than value, so people keep repeating the same thing. I haven’t worked as a moderator ever so I don’t know what’s possible or impossible, but I think many of these problems are a result of poor moderation though.
Sometimes moderation needs to be a bit unpopular to have the community work in some way.
I just moved our D&D account over there.
Why does everyone suddenly forget BSky was created by Jack Dorsey?
It’s going to be another Twitter. Bring everyone in, AI scrape all the data, then sell when the climate moves too far in one direction.
Or is this like the Great Reddit Exodus, that lasted maybe a month?
If people moving from one corpo owned platform to another corpo owned platform gives you hope for the future of the internet: You haven’t been paying attention to the history of the internet at all.
Once they have critical mass, the enshittification for profit will begin a new.
But it means people are still capable of caring.
At least it theoretically has account portability…but yes, I fear people are setting themselves up to be enshittified again, as Cory Doctorow has brought up
Shame that it’s another Capital-owned platform taking the spotlight. I’m not surprised unfortunately. We’ll be in the same place we are now in 10 years.
I’m preaching to the choir, but mastodon is the better platform if you want more authentic community and conversation.
Chances are that any new large commercial platform will enshittify, sooner or later prompting another exodus, and each exodus will at least have some people choosing a community platform.
Bluesky is not great, but it’s at least (for now) a better platform than X and the AT protocol is actually very well written. (For instance having a moderation service separated from the service that provides the posts I think is a hands-down better way to handle it than most ActivityPub servers having their admins handle all incoming and outgoing moderation)
Bluesky federation is just now getting started so it’ll be interesting to see if it goes anywhere/where it goes.
Right up until you sit through his 6min speech on 1A. It’s like the goal is to turn all social media platforms into Twitter.
Right up until you sit through his 6min speech on 1A. It’s like the goal is to turn all social media platforms into Twitter.
Lemmy does not understand that people are leaving X cuz of Nazis, not cuz it’s a centralized corpo platform.
To a platform that has been on the record about not kicking ouy Nazis, though.
There were Nazis on X for years before this. They’re leaving because Trump won.
Elon turned it into his own personal Nazi blog where people can’t block him.
Pretty sure a significant portion of nazis are also moving to bluesky
But on Bluesky you don’t get them shoved in your face and there is culture of just blocking Nazis and moving on.
Ignoring the Nazis in the room, rather than barring them from entey, is enabling Nazis
If no one gives the Nazi an audience they will go away eventually.
But they don’t. They just formm small communities and slowly work their way back up to power.
Might take 50+ years, but it’ll happen again and again until crushed out.
I was at a shitty crustpunk bar once getting an after-work beer. One of those shitholes where the bartenders clearly hate you. So the bartender and I were ignoring one another when someone sits next to me and he immediately says, “no. get out.”
And the dude next to me says, “hey i’m not doing anything, i’m a paying customer.” and the bartender reaches under the counter for a bat or something and says, “out. now.” and the dude leaves, kind of yelling. And he was dressed in a punk uniform, I noticed
Anyway, I asked what that was about and the bartender was like, “you didn’t see his vest but it was all nazi shit. Iron crosses and stuff. You get to recognize them.”
And i was like, ohok and he continues.
"you have to nip it in the bud immediately. These guys come in and it’s always a nice, polite one. And you serve them because you don’t want to cause a scene. And then they become a regular and after awhile they bring a friend. And that dude is cool too.
And then THEY bring friends and the friends bring friends and they stop being cool and then you realize, oh shit, this is a Nazi bar now. And it’s too late because they’re entrenched and if you try to kick them out, they cause a PROBLEM. So you have to shut them down.
And i was like, ‘oh damn.’ and he said “yeah, you have to ignore their reasonable arguments because their end goal is to be terrible, awful people.”
And then he went back to ignoring me. But I haven’t forgotten that at all.
- @iamragesparkle
If they get blocked constantly chances are they are also getting reported for their behaviour and eventually banned.
They aren’t being ignored. Bluesky has real moderation, they are being banned.
Anything which drives nails into the xitter coffin is a good thing as far as I’m concerned. Bluesky may not tick many people’s boxes here on lemmy, but this migration shows that lots of people wanted to leave xitter but didn’t see an option. Threads clearly didn’t attract them, likely due to the owner. I hope it nothing else, Bluesky is a less toxic place and xitter and musk become less relevant. In the long run Bluesky may end up being another head of the hydra , but for now, it’s not, and it may get people used to the idea of federation.
