Hey everyone, I’m new to Lemmy and just starting to figure this site out. I mainly moved here because of the censorship on Reddit where they didn’t publish posts that included the slightest word not allowed by their filter and they removed/blocked lots of content. I wonder if it will be somewhat better here (on the official site it says “Censorship resistant - By hosting your own server, you can be in full control of your content.”).
The weird thing I saw with Lemmy was when I wanted to sign-up on the “lemmy.ml” server instance that according to the official Lemmy Servers listing page is a “A community of privacy and FOSS enthusiasts, run by Lemmy’s developers”.
So I thought I try that one when it’s from Lemmy’s own developers. When I wanted to sign-up it required an application that you needed to fill out with one of the requirements being having to copy a sentence from the link provided which links to some article called “The Principles of Communism” which I thought was very odd for a site to do. I’ve never seen a site like this promoting some ideology that directly where it’s part of the sign-up process to almost pledge to some political or religious ideology.
This seemed very sketchy to me. Does anyone know something about this?
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communism is good though? that’s the only reason i signed up with lemmy. also because .ml is too strict
Communism will win!
Because dessalines is legit in competition for the most cringe person on the internet.
lemmy was made by communists. if you don’t like it go back to reddit.
I suspect the devs wouldn’t even agree with this take.
Edit: really? They’d rather everyone align with their views 100% or fuck off to reddit? Why even make something like lemmy then?
C’mon dude, they just asked you to copy a quote from the Capital, not to recite a whole brochure with the latest analysis on imperialism. And/or swear by it,
It is the most basic common ground for every left wing person and a monumental text in modern Western literacy.
Most people I would care to discuss with should have a basic understanding of what is written in there, and I believe it is the same for people running their own instance.
If you take such a vehement stance against “quoting” Das Kapital, then you probably you lie so much off center that I would personally could have no productive discussion with you.
I mean, even the notion that this is some kind of pledge of allegiance is suspicious enough in its own sake, like letting us on you believe leftists are somehow indoctrinated[^1]. I you weren’t a little removed about Das Kapital you could even subvert the text by quoting something out of context so that it says something unintended by the authors.
But indeed, if you are turned off by this playful screening question, then it only shows that such screening serves its purpose most effectively.
[1]: To be frank lemmy.ml does not even defederate neoliberal instances, so perhaps there is a paradigm shift for you right there.
No where have I said I personally have a problem with it.
How about freaking No!
Lemmy might be written by communists, but nothing stops you using it on an instance that is not.
Also, there’s other threadiverse apps out there that work fine with the federated network if you really don’t want to use one created by “communists”
I don’t think making this place a total echo chamber, by telling people to “go back to reddit” is in any way a good thing.
Freakin epic bacon sauce.
I wonder if it will be somewhat better here.
If you host your own instance, you have complete control over what gets posted. If not, you have to follow your instance’s rules.
one of the requirements being having to copy a sentence from the link provided which links to some article called “The Principles of Communism” which I thought was very odd for a site to do.
That’s just basic bot detection, like a captcha. Karl Marx’s works are out of copyright, and Lemmy’s lead developer is a communist, hence the choice.
it’s part of the sign-up process to almost pledge to some political or religious ideology.
In general, instances don’t expect you to agree with their mods on politics or religion, but the content hosted on that instance would be somewhat biased towards the mods’ tastes. So you go from lemmygrad (far-left) to lemmy.ml (centre-left) to lemm.ee (centrist) to shitjustworks (centre-right) to lemmy.world (right-wing). Personally I’d avoid the first and last, but it’s up to each person to decide what’s right for them.
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Is lemmy.world particularly right-wing? It seemed mostly shitty liberal from what I’d noticed, thought admittedly I don’t actually pay much attention to people’s instances
The admins seem to not crack down on misogyny, transphobia and so on. If they’re doing it on principle - refusing to censor and letting the bigots make fools of themselves in public - then I guess I can respect that. But on the other hand, sometimes silence can be seen as approval.
They referred to ML as “centre-left”, so their perception is obviously very skewed.
…fair enough, missed that
Liberals are pro-capitalist, which inherently makes them right wing. American politics would have you believe otherwise, but American politics are severely skewed to make the populace accept the dominance and power of capital as an unassailable truth.
.world also makes a habit of denying ongoing genocides and shutting down any criticism of the parties involved in said genocides. Many of their users go out of their way to shit on left-wing instances and deride anyone left of them as a tankie.
Not to mention the sheer volume of woman bashing I’ve witnessed in gender-related threads.
So, all that considered, I think it’s perfectly fair to consider them right wing.
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If you have an email address, you’re already used to the federated service pattern. When you sign up for a gmail, you’re making an account with Google to be able to send emails to anyone else with an email address. And there’s nothing stopping Google from making you fill out a “sketchy” application to get an account.
On Lemmy, each instance has its own set of rules, and if you don’t like them, you just make an account on a different instance.
As far as censorship, each “community” (analog to subreddit) lives on a certain instance and the rules of that instance apply.
Edit: also on the topic of communism, however you feel about communism in the physical world is irrelevant when it comes to the digital world. Free and Open Source Software makes the world go 'round, and is often communist in nature, even if done unintentionally. The pattern of people developing software for their own purposes, and then sharing it freely with others is the purest form of “From each according to their ability, to each according to their need.” That said, running an instance isn’t free, so make sure to kick your instance a few bucks if you appreciate their work.
Okay but implying that a given instance is the main community for Lemmy by promoting that it’s run by Lemmy’s developers and then making people repeat phrases from the Communist Manifesto just to make an account ain’t exactly the best first impression to give, no?
If they’ve been trained to immediately recoil at the word “communism”, and don’t understand how federated moderation works, then yes, it’ll probably scare away a good number of users. But on the flip side it’s not a for-profit business trying to hook DAU using predatory and emotionally exploitative patterns, so who cares about first impressions? The people who use Lemmy know why they’re using it.
It’s not the context of the article, it’s the presumption of solemn affirmation as a requirement to entry that is agregious, no?
You’re just restating what OP said. I refer you to my original post.
Yeah, you’re discussing communism specifically. I have no beef with communism or any other political ideology. Except perhaps capitalism, I might have beef with that. Digressions aside, the ask could be for quoting an article about Spongebob Squarepants and I would have the same grievance. Can we discuss the action itself, without going into a discussion about communism?
If you don’t like SpongeBob, pick a different instance, that’s federation.
To me this is like having a problem with the flags someone else has in their yard. Not your yard, not your flags. You’re free to not like their flags, but if your grievance is with the action of them peacefully demonstrating free speech, that’s a you problem.
Sure, maybe that guy also happens to work at the flag factory down the street. Probably explains why he has so many flags. Doesn’t mean he’s going to make you put the same flags he likes in your yard.
Edit: for the record, I’m not downvoting you, I think you’ve been very reasonable in this discussion
I appreciate you addressing the downvoting; I had noticed the trend and it’s very easy to jump to the “I’m under a personal attack” conclusion.
While I believe 107% that each instance owner can do what they want; if this given instance is the first instance to which most people will be introduced, being the closest thing to an “official” instance, should they have a duty, or at the very least, an interest, in maximizing the inclusitivity of their community?
Ensure you aren’t a bot I guess, and if somebody programs the paste text they can switch the text to copy from?
The .ml admins are, to put it mildly, far left. That’s why it’s great to have other instances like lemmy.world, feddit.org etc. If you don’t agree with how the admins run an instance you can make an account somewhere else without missing out on content.
Ikr? I’m honestly tempted to go back to reddit, but the privacy concerns ick me out
Oh no you had to read something you disagree with! Better go back to your echo chamber on
Main Lemmy devs are communist and aren’t shy to enforce their views, which gets reflected in their instance, lemmy.ml, which is considered to be fairly tankie.
However, as Lemmy is federated, you can join any other instance and view whatever interests you without having to recite political literature to sign up.
In fact, the most popular instance is actually lemmy.world, which is not politically affiliated; although it defederated from certain instances, which might make you feel limited. I found lemmy.today as a way to be connected with anything and everything, from Hexbear to Beehaw, to, well, Lemmy.world
There’s a list on GitHub of instances by most federation. It’s where I found mine.
Good option! Could you please share the link to the list if you still have one?
Sure, I’ll PM you.
For anyone else, it’s easy to find by search, but it feels like one of those things that could be ruined if it got too well-known.
Main Lemmy devs are communist and aren’t shy to enforce their views
Their evil enforcement, our righteous peace keeping.
In fact, the most popular instance is actually lemmy.world, which is not politically affiliated;
Being “apolitical” just means they’re neoliberal. Which tbh sounds perfect for OP.
Nah, I take similar issue with liberals who scream about their views everywhere, asked or not, and do their best to turn Lemmy into a place where politics (and, especially, American politics, as if it’s a country with 99% of Earth’s population) is everywhere. If Lemmy.world would ask people to recite Adam Smith, I’d absolutely be pissed.
For the record, I am communist, I just don’t want to be bombarded with politics at every corner and I refuse to analyze crochet through the prism of the class theory. It is possible to abstain from politics on .world, but it is often hard to escape on .ml (thankfully, Linux communities are generally neutral), or Hexbear (although it tries) or, Marx forbid, Lemmygrad, latter being a straight up shithole where politics is everything, people are as politically uniform as clones, and you can be banned for saying Stalin could be wrong in some of his decisions (I’m serious, it happened).
People need to have a place to relax and unwind, and endless political circlejerk is not a good environment for that. Politics is important, but not really when people just proclaim the same things over and over again as a form of leisure.
Nah, I take similar issue with liberals who scream about their views everywhere, asked or not, and do their best to turn Lemmy into a place where politics (and, especially, American politics, as if it’s a country with 99% of Earth’s population) is everywhere.
I doubt that; otherwise you’d be screaming at everyone, all of the time. Politics are life, life is politics; ESPECIALLY if you’re not white-- this whole bullshit sounds like exactly why I don’t organize with white “leftists”; 'cause you ain’t no damn comrade of mine with a take like that. I don’t get to just “opt out”. I walk down the street, it’s side-eyes from settlers over the melanin in my skin, side-eyes from settlers over the coarseness of my hair, side-eyes from settlers over the size of my lips and nose, side-eyes from settlers over why I’m even in their space when I lived here half my fuckin life.
I don’t get to opt out, so neither do fuckin you.
Well, believe it or not, I do take issue with this liberal pseudo-left everywhere. Big part of the reason I stopped following politics on Lemmy is because it’s mostly a uniform blob of liberals that consider themselves “the left”, and the actual left “tankies” and dangerous psycho radicals because most of their kin of “left” are American exceptionalists who really believe not being a fascist means you’re left now. And that took me a LOT of filter rules, not just unsubbing politics-related communities, to finally silence that shitflow.
We all are victims of the current political situation - some more, some less. Even trans folks, which are probably under the heaviest of fires right now, often prefer NOT to immerse themselves in the political debates and news more than it is required to merely survive - and that’s totally understandable, because when politics hits you heavy every day, some people need to take a breather. Don’t deny them that.
And me being white male doesn’t mean I’m free from any oppression. While you may experience more of it due to additional traits, such as you being black, that’s not alpha and omega of it, and the more we split, the less effective we are at uniting where we can and where it is equally if not more important - to fight for the working class. A black billionaire lives an infinitely better life than I do, and he does it by exploiting us all - white, black, male, female, nonbinary, cis and trans. That’s not to say racism isn’t real or some shit - a white billionaire would do even better - but there are many axis of oppression, and it’s not like you’re oppressed and I am not. Besides, I’m all for the demolition of racism, and while I could be less vigilant, I’m not much more tolerant to it.
There is no coming together with the settler when it is the settler in the way of my people’s liberation; and it’s frankly contemptuous that you think there somehow is. The state of race relations in this country is so positively abysmal that I would sooner put my faith in the Chinese than ever consider white Americans worth the time or effort expended. There is no ‘coming together’ with you and yours as long as we are unreparated and unliberated. You may as well just come out with it and say you feel you’re entitled to my camaraderie rather than trying to orate yourself around that particular elephant in the room; there’d be more dignity in it.
No, I’d rather say you have an extreme case of “race/gender over everything” mentality that permeates so many pretentiously left liberals among others.
I’m not a “settler”, I live where I was born, and I never (at least knowingly) discriminated against anyone on the basis of race. You seem to suggest that I owe you something for other people, for the severe oppression of the black people back in the days neither of us was even born, and for the milder (although very real) forms of it permeating today to which I hold no relation. I don’t have to reparate you anything, and I refuse to give you some special status you seem to feel entitled to; but if someone actively discriminates black people (or hispanic, or even whites for that matter - that is a thing in certain societies, world doesn’t end outside America), I am willing to take the side of the oppressed, and more people could join black liberation movement if you yourself wouldn’t piss everyone off.
If you, however, still want to be treated in some special way, I don’t need such camaraderie. You are either a comrade, an equal fighting alongside me (and me alongside you), or you’re not. And the most I can hope for is your realization that we have issues we both struggle with, and end this splintering of the left that makes us weak and useless, infighting over fighting our common enemy. At least the right are ready to unite, so…here we are. Enjoy the fruits of your personal liberation.
No, I’d rather say you have an extreme case of “race/gender over everything”
I’m not a “settler”,
You seem to suggest that I owe you something for other people,
to which I hold no relation.
I don’t have to reparate you anything,
If you, however, still want to be treated like a princess, I don’t need such camaraderie.
You really hit the settler-leftist bingo with this one, no free space necessary. Every last thing you’ve said reeks of uninvestigated white supremacy; and I’d suggest self-crit if I believed for a half a second in your bonafides.
That said, thank you for justifying why I put more faith in AES than white leftism, justifying why I consider there to be no revolutionary potential in the western settler, and justifying why I will only ever organize with Black formations. You, and everyone like you can’t even bear to cop to the thread of history which your story is sewn in, let alone figure out how to rectify that state. This is exactly why I have no time, faith, or camaraderie for the white ‘left’.
As usual, we’ll have to get it our own damn selves, with you people constantly in our way. What I get for discoursing with people John Brown would’ve turned into a speed loader. And no, that you consider true, fully-reparated Black liberation to be 'Black supremacy exactly the same as the white variety", I fucking spit on you; and have no further interest humoring your eurofascist ass. I hope when they find you, it’s in shrapnel-studded pieces.
Damn, you’re not just a cracker but a dumbass too
eat your hands you worthless fucking asshole
The developers of Lemmy are Communists, they don’t hide this fact.
To answer your first question, there are no “free speech” instances in wide use, depending on your point of view an instance might be “censoring” or fighting “misinformation.” It’s up to you to pick an instance you want.
The issue you’ve faced varies instance to instance. If you want complete freedom and censorship resistance, you have to run your own server.
hahahahahahahahahaaaaa
you’re fucking kidding me
Censorship still exists in lemmy. I got banned from an instance just because I said some things that weren’t aligning with far left ideas. I was one of the active members of that instance (we were very few) on non political communities.
I made a political post and one of the administrators wasn’t OK with it and started insulting me and then banned me from the whole instance.
sounds like someone’s a nazi~
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“Can’t integrate into society” and then goes and supports Imperialist ethnostates, lmaoooo
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Let it be clear, you took an effectively anti-immigration stance on the basis of cultural differences, then praised Imperialist Ethno-States. Yes, it was correct to ban you.
Where did you see that? Even if it is the case isn’t that just censorship which the subject of this post to which I am responding? There were no discussion or anything and ban you from the whole instance (not just the community).
the people will let in should benefit the society and not the opposite. If you check Switzerland, Japan, Nordic countries which have good immigration policies, the quality of life is way better.
Right there. Anti-immigration on the basis of cultural differences and praise for Imperialist ethno-states.
Secondly, no, racism should be banned and censored to protect marginalized groups. Censorship of racism is a good thing.
Because you’re a fascist who deserves ridicule.
I am not against welfare or immigration but the people will let in should benefit the society and not the opposite.
This is not a “leftist” tenet. For someone who ‘hates’ rich people you sure as fuck think exactly the way they do, piglet.
most people have answered your questions so i want to chime in with the information that i wish someone had told me when i first joined:
a lot of people came to lemmy from reddit like you and i both did and also mostly for the same reasons. most of them went to lemmy.world because it was the first search result on the big search engines like google & bing. those people have turned lemmy.world into a mini reddit and ended up recreating the same problems that reddit has plus more; hence the bot check that you ran into when you signed up.
the original instances of lemmy all have a strong leftist bent; i think of it like if r/politics; r/anarchy/; r/communism; r/socialism; etc. went off and created another social media platform and then started discussing everything like reddit does, but from this perspective. instances is the name given to individual servers and all those servers combined is nicknamed the lemmyverse, or lemmy, for short.
the fediverse is the nickname given to the pubg protocol that’s shared between all the platforms that use it like lemmy, mastadon, kbin, threads, bluesky, etc and that means that the conversations from all of those platforms are shared amongst each other so it’s possible to be on lemmy and have a conversation with someone on kbin, for example. i stick with lemmy because it’s doesn’t have any venture capital investors pushing the admins to enshitify it to maximize profits like has been happening to reddit and bluesky; i’ve been moving from one social media platform to another because of enshitification like reddit’s since the 1990s (before it was called social media) so this last part matters to me a lot.
i started off on lemmy.world like most ex-redditors did and discovered that they’ve duplicated the censorship thing that reddit likes to do with defederations so i switched to lemmy.ml since it doesn’t defederate with anybody due to fact they’re the primary instance where lemmy development takes place. the federation is what makes lemmy decentralized and when you defederate; you cut yourself off from the rest of the lemmyverse, but lemmy.world and some of the other instances that got most of the ex-redditors like the star trek instance use it to try cut off content and people from the instances that they don’t like and that’s their right since it’s their instance. lemmy is decentralized so trying to cut out people & content only serves to cut yourself off and that’s intention behind the fediverse; to make it so that no power tripping mod or ban happy admin can stop the conversation like they do on reddit.
everything is done by volunteers and donations and, if you don’t like one instance; you can move onto any other one and still get a similar experience. i don’t like letting other people decide what i can & can’t see and who i can & can’t talk to so i mostly stick to the instances that don’t defederate with anybody like lemmy.ml and i use the block-people and block-communities features when i feel like i need them for myself.
the fediverse is the nickname given to [instances using] the pubg protocol
Haha I’m guessing that was meant to say ActivityPub
the original instances of lemmy all have a strong leftist bent
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Reddit has a history of big events when a clump of subreddits get banned all at once when a newspaper reports on them. A lot of right-wing ones went to Voat and later *.win, and some socialist ones (notably /r/GenZedong) went to Lemmygrad, which became the largest federated instance at the time. /r/chapotraphouse also made their own fork, Hexbear, although while it was the largest, it wasn’t federated with the rest for years. Most instances were either hard-left (e.g. Lemmygrad, Lemmy.ml, SLRPNK) or a slight left, but tge third most populous for a while was Wolfballs, a ‘free speech’ instance, de facto alt-right (US right-Libertarian style instance), which ended up defederated from almost all the others due to constant bigotry and rule breaking when posting on other instances. Wolfballs admin eventually shut it down before the Reddit API exodus because, among other reasons, they realized the neo-Nazis among their users were serious and not just trolling.
Overall, the few right-leaning instances are alienated from the bulk of federation and become islands or vaporize, but most just dismiss Lemmy or even the Fediverse at large as a left wing commie thing.
Haha I’m guessing that was meant to say ActivityPub
yes, that’s what i get for going fast; thanks for the correction and the history lesson.
they’ve duplicated the censorship thing that reddit likes to do with defederations
I disagree that defederation is censorship, but no worries, we don’t have to agree! However:
i switched to lemmy.ml since it doesn’t defederate with anybody
If you switch to the “blocked” tab you’ll see that this is absolutely not true.
One of my primary criteria when I needed to make a new lemmy account (due to problems with my original instance) was to be sure I picked an instance that had pre-emptively defederated from Threads. (as .ml does, but there are a lot more in that list)
If you switch to the “blocked” tab you’ll see that this is absolutely not true.
oh yes, i keep forgetting about the fascist and corporate shill instances; they were also the reason why i went with lemmy.ml and why i think it’ll take longer for it to enshitify. thanks for correction.
This seemed very sketchy to me.
👻 A spectre is haunting @Social_Discussion@lemm.ee ☭
Some of Ayn Rand’s earliest works are out of copyright now. Would that have made you more comfortable?
The .ml admins (and devs of Lemmy the software) are from that crowd, basically. If you don’t like it, try another instance.
Edit: .ml is for Marxist-Leninist, even. There’s no connection to Mali.
Edit: .ml is for Marxist-Leninist, even. There’s no connection to Mali.
this is a literal lie, its because the servers are held in mali not because of ‘marxist leninist’
Mali is a Saharan country with low population, spotty, super expensive internet and unreliable power; I’d be surprised if the machines are literally there. And anyway, Dessalines has never mentioned being from a Malian background, but he does identify as ML.
