Doing political stuff for Christmas is one way to ensure you have a nazi kid forever. Just ignore the politics, give a normal gift. Love will conquer all the hatred that he has. Good luck.
Normal gift, yes.
Love conquers all? This isn’t a Hallmark movie, yo. Have a chat after Xmas. If you have the presence of mind to see your kids supporting shit we literally fought wars over, you don’t pat them on the head and say “ah it’ll be fine”.
Be a good parent; talk to your kids.
Love will conquer all the hatred
Not only that, but the hatred on the right will consume them. Sit back, lay low, don’t participate and let the fools burn themselves. Opposition will only give them targets to blame for their failures.
Being conservative depends on you being fearful rather than empathic. The fast way to get people to turn from conservatism is promoting behavior that is focused on doing good for others and providing an environment where someone might not have as much external stressors triggering a fear response.
Gen Z men that fall for the machismo of “hustling” just can’t conceptualize the amount of financial difference between them and their idols. Get him something he can work towards making a hobby and hope that you can talk to him about why he thinks the way he does; listen and try to empathize and offer him an alternative solution to what he has forged for himself.
I used to be heading down this path as a teenager. For me, college was the eye opener. When I broke away from my normal bubble of people, I would have my opinions and biases challenged.
I like the travel suggestion as well. Also I went to some music festivals around that time that were pretty significant to my beliefs. I guess it depends on the type of music they prefer though.
I don’t know how else to show him I love him or that he’s a part of this family.
Do you know if the doctrine he’s been taken in by is religious or secular in nature?
I ask because I could recommend some books you could get him that just might get the kid to think a little harder about things.
For context, I teach philosophy and religion for some community colleges and have been looking for ways to get these Gen Z alt right boys to quit the propaganda.
While a lot of them seem to be lost causes, there are some who can be challenged to read outside their sphere, so long as what I give them isn’t too overtly “other.”
Depending on what he’s into, there might be some authors who know how to talk to an oppositional reader.
i was going to mention some books too but then i saw the pink floyd answer and realised that would be far more likely to not end up sitting on a shelf :(
Just out of curiosity, do you know what drew him to this line of thinking in the first place? Any particular media he’s consumed? Knowing how one first enters into fascism can help in undoing that damage.
It’s usually far-right dipshits on social media who disguise racism, sexism, transphobia as comedy. Gavin McInnes for example. I hate that fuck.
Probably overbearing parents trying to force an ideology down his throat without letting him developed hia own identity and personal philosophy. Trying to force anything upon someone will always lead to them rebelling. Same as conservative parents trying to force their gay kids to be strait. The irony is palpable.
You came up with an awful lot of assumptions based on absolutely zero evidence. Sounds exactly like the type of critical thinking one should expect from somebody who seems to tolerate children being indoctrinated into fascism.
I made 1 singular assumption. That being op thinks his son is a fascist when i fact he most likly is only slightly right wing and a Trump supporter at worste. I heighly doubt he is calling for a extermination of people like an actuall fascist.
You assumed the kid’s parents are pushing their beliefs on him. You assumed he was struggling to form his own identity. You assumed he is rebelling. You assumed OP equates conservatism to fascism.
Every part of what you wrote was an assumption, chief.
I’m not joking or kidding or insincere. I actually don’t know what to do.
This is totally valid. Fascism in this country is on extreme high. Especially in schools and other public places due to how the government uses propaganda at schools and banning everything related to being a good person.
I don’t know the situation so it’s hard to recommend anything besides education, remember that there human and make mistakes, don’t dictate but strongly suggest ways that what there learning is fundamentally wrong. I have no kids. But whatever happens remember there human. And being accepting and loving can go a long way.
It sounds like your question is not actually about what to get him for Christmas, but instead about how to cope with the situation and maintain a relationship with your son
Well yeah, “how do i build a lasting relationship with my child before they start throwing me and all my friends in the gulag” is a pretty good question
Get him something related to his interests. It’s weird to make Christmas political like this
Yeah, I’m not watching “why we need a war on Christmas” on YouTube. Sorry
By “fascist” you mean “supports ethnic cleansing”, or “doesn’t agree with me on every single political issue”?
Which political issue do you get called fascist for?
On Lemmy, using a word or tone somebody doesn’t like is enough
I’m sorry you’ve been exposed to that. I oddly haven’t. Maybe it’s the words I’m picking. Maybe it’s the thoughts behind those words.
I guess without actual examples we’ll never know.
https://lemmy.world/comment/13627379
There’s an example for you, two comments down someone accused him of being a fascist for this conversation with absolutely no evidence to show he supports ethnic cleansing but plenty to show he simply disagrees with the person calling him a fascist (on what constitutes a fascist, if nothing else.)
I don’t know how to check the mod log. Maybe that guy did? No idea
Fair enough, I can’t either from my app, but if that’s the case it would have been worth mentioning. As it stands it appears he’s simply assumed to be a fascist for the crime of questioning whether a third person labeling a fourth person as fascist has a basis for their accusation. And until I see a screenshot of sunzu2 saying he does support ethnic cleansing, all I can do is work with what evidence I’ve seen.
Hah! Possibly. It’s very fascist to not label others fascist for no reason. I think that’s the fifteenth tenet of fascism.
i don’t really care esp since modlog is public unlike reddit and fedi is federated
Found the fascist.
found an idiot
Is the idiot in the room with you now?
Maybe don’t say the N word in a derogatory tone then.
Drag recognises you didn’t specify which word you used. And in drag’s book, that means everyone is free to wildly speculate.
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Its sad as fuck that this needs to be asked. The word facist used to mean something.
If he’s consuming right wing social media, it might be because he’s bored. Others have suggested left wing media, but maybe just finding other activities to do would help. These cost money, but maybe camping/hiking, hobby electronics/combat robots, dirt bikes/go-karts, RC planes/drones or metal fabrication are ideas that come to my mind. These are hobbies that have either politics neutral or left leaning communities. If he picks up that you’re trying to politically influence him, he’ll likely dig his heal in.
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I’d recommend some Scott Galloway. He’s an advocate for young men, but he’s not one of those toxic manosphere types. He’s not exactly a leftist, but he’s certainly a liberal by today’s standards.
And if your son is old enough, and a virgin/incel, maybe buy him an evening with female companionship.
I’d suggest NOT giving him more liberalism, since that has already demonstrated the predictable outcome.
Indeed. Perhaps a positive reinforcement?
Scratch a fascist and a liberal bleeds.
A plane ticket. Others have suggested he’s bored and I concur. IMO, he needs to be intellectually challenged while simultaneously having his fears assuaged. Fear, I believe, is a key driver in pushing people toward fascist ideologies. Most likely he fears not being loved.
Traveling to countries with very different cultures can be both stimulating and reassuring, especially if it involves some significant challenge - a physical one like climbing a significant peak or somewhere that’s just super hard to get to. You can demonstrate that you love and care for him by going with him. Just the two of you.
I think this is the best one. It’s a real, enjoyable gift recommendation that doesn’t sidestep the parent’s concerns about their kid
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That shithole?
It has beautiful alcoves, i hear.
How do you say, the “nooks and crannies.”
Fear is a key driver (period). I just heard this on the radio. They analyzed what pulls people in and it’s fear. Fear also keeps people lingering longer. I didn’t hear enough to explain it (I got to my destination before the show was over). Putting it together with other things I’ve heard, the algorithms that are tuned to keep people engaged on the site skill natually choose things that stoke fear and that is probably the same thing that the facist propaganda is promoting, too.
When i was in ny early 20s, i was a Ron Paul guy. When I was in my early 30s, I was a Bernie guy.
So what changed, and what was the same? In my 20s, I didnt have a fundamental understanding of how money really works. Ron Paul was big on the gold standard, which makes sense kn the surface. Crypto is similar where it makes sense on the surface; finite supply means no inflation and no value loss. I somehow also reasoned that not having the gold standard was the cause of inequality, but I honeslty cant understand why, and i cant remember either.
In my 30s, I understood how they money system works mich better. Why we left the gold standard, and how it was holding back progress. I understood how our money is actually backed by muscle, and therefore the national debt doesnt really matter all that much until the day comes when the dollar has no value, because the US is defunct.
Im sure I have much more to learn as I am in my early 40s now.
The point I am trying to make, is that your son probably lacks understanding and wisdom, and is currently easily swayed by surface level logic.
Thisbis really in addition to the other great stuff people have said in here
Trump doll. Peter Dutton doll. Hitler doll.
Etc
A turd.
If you want something that he would enjoy, Mein Kampft.
I mean, I’m sure at this point he has been exposed to most literature and works to not be a fascist, this won’t get fixed with a gift. Maybe try to have a 1 on 1 conversation with him, let him speak an express why he thinks like that, let him go deep, let him talk about his feelings. Fascism always root on untrue information and resent. If he respects you, you can then talk about where he is wrong, confront the lies, but embrace him as a person.
If you want to win your son back, it will take real work, respect, and love. These people get lied to, and they believe because they are full of resent and want an explanation, someone to pin all the problems, an enemy. Uprooting that is hard, but sometimes family and friends can do it. If family and friends deepen those core beliefs, nothing is going to change.
Source: When I was younger, I was that stupid too. Friends made me realize it.
