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Problem solving. Maybe we shouldn’t have pushed STEM so hard to the underpaid, unemployed, underinsured masses.
-Somebody with the wherewithal probably
it’s getting really difficult to not find him attractive
He also had a three-page handwritten manifesto that included grievances with the US healthcare system, a document that spoke to the suspect’s “motivation and mindset”, officials said.
Publish it then.
Give them time to write it up! They police are having problems with the shared Google Doc permissions.
and the reading, don’t forget the reading
Historically speaking, pigs can’t read.
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Hey you got your account back!!
Are you referring to the 2FA problem I had? I brute-forced it with a simple Bash script utilizing Lemmy API. Our instance doesn’t seem to have rate-limiting.
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Yea, Oh Cool.
that is configurable by your admin. while it was useful for you, you should probably raise that problem to your admin.
He was carrying it around for absolutely no reason and for long enough to get caught with it? Bullshit, it’s manufactured evidence.
Well, a YouTube account with the shooters name posted a video today titled “truth” which was basically saying that there were videos scheduled to be made public in the near future (presumably on the same account), which would speak to his motivations and mind set or something of the sort.
Instead of telling you about it, I would prefer to just link the video, but according to YouTube, the account associated with the YouTube channel has been removed, so you can believe me or not on this. the video was only up for about 4 hours and when I saw it, maybe 30 minutes before it was removed from YouTube, it had 10’s of thousands of views. I know those counters aren’t exactly real time, so it’s not unreasonable to think that upwards of 100k people saw it, maybe more, and unless one of them saved it, it’s likely that nobody else will see it.
Well well well,
Once, not if, but once it leaks, who ordered this, and who executed said order of this information being suppressed, you’ll have more heads in line for the guillotine.
¡Congrats!
That list is getting long.
It’s still here for now
Lol, Twitter?! Seriously? I’m not even going to click that shit. I know it’s not real.
This is fabricated
That may be so, but the claim in the context that the YouTube handle doesn’t match his Twitter handle is wrong
http://web.archive.org/web/20241209203920/https://www.youtube.com/@PepMangione
I’m not sure about the claim that the account was created yesterday. This article claims it was created in January, but I’m not sure if that can be verified now that the account has been removed
Pretty sure that YT account was faked, or mis-related to Mangione
It will be impossible to ever know whether or was or not.
Or he consider himself a crusader for a cause more than a vigilante and was carrying it to get more attention to his beliefs.
And yet instead of waiting around to get lots of attention and people *quoting things he said before cops arrived he quietly got on a bus. Doesn’t track.
*fucking worthless autocorrect
My tin foil hat theory is that he was planning out another shooting and got interrupted.
This thing about a guy at Macdonald’s recognizing his eyes also sounds bit strange tbh
Ikr
First thought that came to mind as well, it sounds very implausible for him to be carrying a manifesto.
Unless he planned on not surviving
A week after?
I’m totally speculating, but if he’s been on the run, he may not have changed his plans on certain… conclusions.
Not surviving what, the bus ride?
The arrest
Perhaps, yes
Another thought I had is what if he was still writing it?
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They need dozens of psy PhD types to review it to asses risks and prep narratives to discredit him.
Get fucked, dude is a hero.
Deny that you know or even saw them. Defend them if they do get caught, through protest, fundraising, bail, etc. Depose those who put them in jail if they are sentenced.
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Wow thanks for posting
We wouldn’t want to arouse ill-will toward health insurers /s
Somebody better nullify that jury.
It only takes of working man to get on it to make it flop
And here’s your 12 jury members…
Oh, it’s Mark Cuban, Mark Zuckerburg, Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, Bill Gates, Rupert Murdoch,
…I could keep this joke going if I used google, but is it sad that I could name 6 people by memory just by using the parameters “Rich asshole who would have no empathy for the general public, and would absolutely convict”?
I could name 6 people by memory just by using the parameters "Rich asshole who would have no empathy for the general pub
You should find more about gates than the name
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_%26_Melinda_Gates_Foundation
I am not going to watch 70 minutes movie, but according to brief skimming through the discussion it’s about business practice of the Microsoft from times of windows 3.11
I am talking about his today’s undeniable philantropic work and the fact is he is really far from the rest of the people on your list.
People are allowed to evolve and if every billionaire in the world would evolve I’m the same direction he did, world would be better place.
It’s a podcast and you can listen while doing other things. 70 minutes isn’t very long.
You can deny his recent philanthropic work because his libertarian mentality corrupts it. He helped fund covid 19 vaccine research, but also demanded that the patents not be released, so profit could be made. This is in direct contrast to the lead scientist of the poli vaccine opening it up for anyone to make, comparing the ownership of a vaccine to trying to own sunlight.
While there’s evidence that Gates did not participate in Epstein’s parties, he did know about and choose to stay silent.
Gates is a full blown elite larping as a humanitarian when the role of his foundation should be occupied by a tax funded gov org.
it would have to be 12 CEOs but they deff aint got to be proper owner oligarch… just scrape some middling f500 roaster with some “nonames”
but yes valid point… but defense can generally strike some of these.
this guy going to need proper counsel, I am assuming fun raising won’t be an issue. he deserves the best.
coupled with proper PR campaign on socials since TV will try to destroy him.
this jury must not convict because the glove don’t fit hehe
Plenty of lawyers, at least some of them talented, will offer to defend him for free.
It could make their career.
defense of this scale will require several million dollars, nobody will do that for free.
also, defending this guy will make you enemy of the owner class. top talent will opt out.
Lol … I thought you were asking to nudify the jury
I’m fairly certain they’ll just find a new jury
Fortunately in criminal trials if the Jury can return a not guilty verdict, that’s game over for the states case. Double jeopardy they can’t retry.
Now if one guy on the Jury opposes a guilty verdict, and no verdict is reached, then the state can retry.
They could also go after him with Thompson’s family in civil suit to destroy him financially, which it turns out is not double jeopardy
Sure sounds like justice.
I mean… it does seem pretty fair? If the jury is hung it’s up to the state to retry. If the jury comes back not guilty then that’s the end of it.
we gonna keep trying until we win…
tbh that is the ruling class MO tho
I’m curious why he still carry all those things after he is done with it.
Check out parallel construction concept…
He didn’t… They found where he dispose of it and gave to police to plant on him so we have to accept he is the perp…
You can get creative with who “they” are here btw
BC if you got murdered they would never do this.
Also he left a dead man switch for YouTube upload.
Proof of YouTube upload?
There’s no proof. Yet.
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Maybe plotting how to dispose of it, perhaps extra paranoid with how much he blew up. Unfortunately all the memes of him probably helped spread the search for him. Not everyone who saw a meme agreed with his actions.
Sad reality and a lessons on you didn’t see shit.
It was a ghost gun, he could have thrown it into any ditch and not have it traced back to him.
He’d probably be ditching more than just that. He could be caught on a security camera disposing of it which could give further clues. He may also had no intention of disposal and intended to keep the firearm.
There are not security cameras all the way.
He may also had no intention of disposal
The whole point of a ghost gun is to be able to throw it away and have it not traced back to you.
Private security footage could have caught him disposing, someone could have witnessess and grabbed another photo of him using his their cell phone. He could be worried about finger prints on the gun or other biological clues. And if a ghost gun is so untraceable, keeping it after a crime shouldn’t be proof, because how do you prove it was this ghost gun used in the crime? He could claim he just keeps it for self defense or was interested in how far 3D printed tech has come
He could be planning another assassination or desire to keep the weapon for self defense purposes. I think you are downplaying the parannoia that would come with such a large scale manhunt accompanied with becoming an internet meme spreading your photo and awareness of your act over night. Paranoia makes you constantly think “but what if?” And that paranoia is even stronger in an extreme circumstance like this.
The fact is, we may never know why he kept it.
Even without serial number, a ghost gun will leave rifling marks on the bullets which can be compared by firing the gun into ballistic gel
In other threads, people have suggested that he might be carrying the manifesto in case he was shot and killed if/when arrested.
Possibly, yes. I’m amazed he still had the gun though.
Well I’d say… could it also be plausible he was going for another CEO.
Actually, that wouldn’t surprise me at all.
I admit I’m kinda disappointed. He pulled out almost perfect assassination that looked well thought out, managed to get away with only a few hickups in his plan as far as his face is considered, and then walks around with a murder weapon and a manifesto in his bag? Shame, really. All he needed was to lay low for a while, grow a beard and he’d probably be OK.
Have to admit I’m surprised. I really expected this to be a romantic triangle or business rivalry thing.
if you check out his twitter, seems to be your typical toxically masculine techbro… kinda disappointing
Does the police media briefing affect his right to a fair trial? They mentioned his motivation and mindset and a note. Apparently he implied money had been planted in the charge hearing.
Raise your hand if you want to read the suspect’s manifesto!
have a look at this guy’s twitter: https://x.com/pepmangione?lang=en
Can you screenshot it? I’m not signing up for that shithole site.
I doubt they will release it if has any teeth…
They’d have to if they wanna use it as evidence.
in 2 years for the court proceeding?
2 years?
Edit: speedy trials are the burden of the defense. Prosecution/plantiffs have more restrictions. I’m not too sure how New York specifically operates
they will waste all the time they can while mentally and physically abusing him in the system…
Doesn’t look like the guy on the video.
Of all the people, it happened to be someone who likely uses lemmy.
How awesome would it be if it turned out to be no poop guy??!
…I’m sorry, what? No poop guy?
Last summer there was a guy asking for advice on not popping for 3 days.
…that explaination only raises MORE questions!
And that sums up the whole poop ordeal.
Training for the escape. Might not be able to safely shit for up to 3 days.
For the uninitiated: https://web.archive.org/web/20230624223444/https://lemmy.world/post/440073
wait…there’s only like a thousand of us !
We are all Luigi.
Forever Player 2.
Huh?
I almost explained that, then read your username…
I am Luigi
I’m Luigi and so’s my wife
I am
Sparticus! Errr…Luigi!can confirm… this guys wife wants me to call her Luigi
brb naming my newborn Luigi
I am Luigi.
No, i am Luigi!
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Luigi, bro, you on Lemmy? Lmk
Yeah. 40+. Blind, mostly. Lower back problems. But definitely a different last name.
I mean, he might not be able to log in right now…
We should spend the next year blanketing NY with information about jury nullification.
100% agreed. Might I recomend making https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqH_Y1TupoQ go as viral as possible.
This better not be a rickroll…
I like that, but there is a major problem with it, and it’s around 2:49 in the video:
Do you have any beliefs that might prevent you from making a decision based strictly on the law?
Grey suggests that saying “No” with intent to nullify is lying, and therefore perjury. He is wrong. Where legislated law and constitutional law come into conflict (and they do in all cases of nullification), it is your duty to strictly follow constitutional law. You must judge the case as a layperson. You are constitutionally obligated to follow your own sense of rationality. That means if legislated law provides an undesirable outcome, you are obligated to “strictly follow [constitutional] law”, and refuse to convict under a lower law.
I can honestly claim to have no beliefs that would prevent me from making a decision based strictly on the law. The 6th Amendment is part of the law, and the 6th amendment requires and empowers me (as a juror) to make whatever decision I determine is appropriate.
Earlier in the video he stated that the jurors cannot be punished for their decision, this applies if the outcome results in perjury.
We aren’t talking about the decision. We are talking about voir dire. You certainly can be charged and convicted of perjury if you lie during voir dire.
But again: it is not a lie to remember that the 6th Amendment right to a trial by jury of peers (as opposed to professional jurists) is constitutional law. It supersedes any legislated law, or any directive provided by any court. I hold no beliefs that might prevent me from making a decision strictly in accordance with the law.
We are talking about voir dire.
Wait, that isn’t just a term from “My Cousin Vinny”‽
My reply would be: “if the law is just, I will make a decision that serves justice”.
And they would respond “You are excused, with our thanks”.
Don’t get creative. The only correct answer is “no”.
I had half a day to think about it when they were selecting jury for a DUI case. I’d rather speak my mind freely for the jurors they’ve already selected, who are present during the full selection process. Normally one might think context doesn’t matter but DUI laws can also apply to a bicycle, which is a perfect candidate for being nullified by the jury.
You can speak freely with the other jurors during deliberation.
Yeah but I also didn’t really want to be on the jury that much. And I didn’t get called up anyway.
Careful, in case you haven’t heard, discussing jury nullification is apparently against the rules of lemmy.world. SMH (at lemmy.world admins).
They are certainly empowered to do that, just as I am empowered to block any instance I don’t want to participate in. If they are not tolerant and respectful of my beliefs (even if they don’t share them) then I don’t want to contribute to their community either.
Layperson juries are a fundamental component of criminal justice. The law exists to serve the people, not the lawyers, not the government. Rejecting jurors for understanding the purpose of having a layperson jury fundamentally violates the rights of the accused in particular, and society in general.
I’m not sure that’s true. I’ve had plenty of comments stay up. My guess is either the mod team got their shit together or those comments were deleted for other reasons.
It seems that it was never written in their terms before and had been inconsistently applied, but just in case you hadn’t seen these:
The pinned post on lemmy.world right now clarifies that discussing jury nullification for crimes that have already happened, such as this, is perfectly acceptable. It’s only discussing it with respect to crimes which have not yet been committed which is against the TOS.
Wait, we got a Future Crimes Division? I didn’t know .world was run by a bunch of milky precogs…
If you plan some violence and include jury nullification as some viable part of the plan, and publish that shit online, not only is it kind of useless and lousy opsec, but it will attract heat that is unwanted and unnecessary. It’s literally a conspiracy to undermine nullification at that point, like a false flag. So no, don’t do that, and I back the mods on this.
I didn’t
What the Multivac?!
If you trust them after having enforced an unwritten policy and still not allowing discussion of something that’s perfectly legal.
I do. They’re cool.
