I’ve just learned how to say fuck America, 他媽的美國
Que se cague China, América, Rusia… la lista sigue
Stop sucking superpower’s dicks
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Did I hurt your nationalistic feelers?
Oh yeah, I’m a real patriot. God bless the USA! DM me when you move to China.
What a take: learning a language makes you a tankie.
This guy absolutely harasses people in the real world.
I’ve just learned how to say fuck America
Also, the countless comments in praise of China and calling anyone they disagree with sinophobic.
As an American, I can say fuck America because that’s my god given right.
The right to shit on your country is the most American thing ever.
Exactly. I’m American too and that’s the entire point of the first amendment. I can burn flags, flip off police and politicians, and cover my car in unhinged stickers and a judge will side with me. As long as I don’t threaten or hurt anyone (or cause too much of a disturbance), I’m good.
The TikTok ban should be unconstitutional and thrown out by the Supreme Court. If I want to let Winnie the Pooh spy on me (not saying that’s what’s happening), that’s also my right, so back off and let me use foreign spyware instead of domestic spyware.
That said, I hate TikTok and think nobody should use it, but I’ll defend my right to use it because who knows what they’ll come after next. I also hate the CCP, love my country (US), and largely hate my government.
so instead of 25 people learning Mandarin now there are 79 people learning Mandarin.
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These kinds of figures are pointless without knowing the starting number of users, it could be an increase from 10 to like 30 or something… Also, this sudden rush of articles mentioning rednote seems more like an attempt to induce movement to it, but that could just be me being cynical.
Firefly timeline!
FIREFLY TIMELINE!!
FIREFLY TIMELINE!!!
I guess it’s better than some alternatives, at least because we never found out what the Space Confederates were fighting for
你们还要学中文？
老子一出生就已懂中文了。
你们已经迟到了，party 早就开始啦！
I’m pretty sure that this post is a total load of bs.
Could it be just bots?
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That’s what I was thinking. Probably not that small, but not a lot it’s a notoriously hard language to learn. You have to be pretty stupid or nieve to think you’re learning it on Duolingo.
My niece is one of tiktok’s victims and she is as young and lazy to even construct herself a sandwich. Nevermind learning a language as confusing and backwards as mandarin or Cantonese.
I’ve heard Mandarin at least is pretty straightforward, it’s just the writing system that causes problems.
I’m pretty glad I don’t use Duolingo, it’s easier to learn language tips from YouTube
Can anyone explain to me what makes TikTok and now this RedNote so much better than the other short form options (YT, Insta… others) that people think learning a completely different and unfamiliar language is not only viable, but the best option?
I want to learn another language for travel purposes, which to me makes sense. I’ve never had the itch to learn one so I could use a social media platform.
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I wouldn’t overthink it. It’s just a youthful rebellion/protest thing. Old people banned an app young people like and young people were like, “Ok, fine. We’ll use a different app, assholes.” And they found one even more Chinese just to be obnoxious.
But to answer your primary question, Instagram is a bloated app with a terrible algorithm made by a garbage company owned by a garbage person. But just as important, Instagram is also where TikTok users’ parents are. Youths don’t want to hang out with friends where their parents are watching. Hell, I’m middle-aged and I was annoyed when my mom followed me on Instagram. Like, “Stay on Facebook, mom. That’s the boomer app.”
I’m sure almost every TikTok user is a YouTube user too. But YouTube Shorts isn’t the same as TikTok. Shorts are basically a way for established creators who make longer, professional videos to make little casual ones between their main video releases. It’s not a drop-in replacement for TikTok. The vibe is different. (If Shorts had been released as a totally separate app with a separate algorithm, it’d be a drop-in replacement for TikTok but they just duct taped it onto YouTube proper.)
Plus, the data and national security excuses were always horseshit. Congress was trying to protect American dominance in social media and during the debate, members of Congress said their issue with TikTok was that it didn’t have an Israel boner. https://forward.com/culture/688840/tiktok-ban-gaza-palestine-israel-antisemitism/
Forward is a publication aimed at a Jewish audience, for the record, so that’s not some antisemitic conspiracy theory.
It’s not even to go for a TikTok clone, it’s more to do with the avoidance of Meta products because they’re following Twitter and allowing toxicity and constantly pushing ads and influencers and MAGA. Someone decided hey it would be funny if we just installed an actual Chinese app just out of spite since we’re effectively getting censored anyway so getting censored on a chinese app to blow it all up would be funny. It was supposed to be a meme.
Turns out the chinese people on there were mostly excited to get so much attention and an opportunity to talk with americans. Loads of kids there practicing their english, and people felt so welcomed they’re trying to learn the language and everything’s subtitled in chinese+english because they want to communicate back and make their content accessible to them out of respect. There’s plenty of content there to teach chinese to the newcomers too. Bunch decided to stay because it’s just pretty nice since the lack of politics and “sensitive” topics it’s a very positive and welcoming platform for once.
The whole thing is a completely accidental cultural exchange on a massive scale, and a very rare case where americans and chinese people kind of can talk directly like that. Both sides gets to peek at the other’s lifestyle and bond over common things instead of hating on eachother. They aren’t learning chinese to use the app, they’re learning it to communicate and exchange with the people. The chinese government seems unconcerned and welcoming as an extra fuck you to the US.
The algorithm is surprisingly not really biased nor pushing propaganda. It’s happily suggesting me openly queer content (with a lack of hate comments and americans being called out for their hateful comments), they have gun content, they have a car scene, they have their thirst traps (with respectful comments), it’s really not all that different than us and not the propaganda machine the US is so concerned about. It kind of leans more left than TikTok if anything, which makes the ban even more questionable.
I do wonder though if some of those people are just ccp agents making content. Operating anything in China you’re required to be overseen by CCP so I highly doubt that they don’t carefully sift through comments.
I do find it funny that people would rather pick chinese spyware cause our spyware has too much political leans and censorship.
I’d be surprised, unless they somehow managed to train 9 year olds into tricking americans into teaching them english on a live call all basically overnight, at the scale of several thousands of them. If that’s chinese propaganda then man they sure have heartwarming propaganda. I’m sure there’s inherent bias due to culture, it’s still China. But I doubt they were prepared for this at all.
It also was never really picked with the intent to switch, the meme was to just download it and browse it a bit so it goes at the top of the downloads chart and beats Meta. The happy accident is the part where people browsed it and figured it’s pretty nice on there and turned the whole thing into a mass scale cultural exchange.
The irony in all that is I haven’t found anything sketchy in it yet. On Android they’re not asking any non-standard permissions, much less than TikTok or even YouTube both of which ask for accessing connected biometric/fitness devices. REDnote asks for the device’s ad ID. All the sensitive ones are runtime permissions it doesn’t ask until you ask for it like access the camera to post a video. I’m sure they track everything you do in-app like everyone else, but nothing that gives me the ick having installed. Facebook Messenger in comparison wants full access to telephony and SMS services, your contacts, start background service on boot, bluetooth and NFC. I haven’t pulled out WireShark yet but from a basic Android permission perspective it doesn’t have access to much of anything to begin with.
It’s literally just a random chinese app intended for mainland China, and that’s kind of what sticks about it: it’s just not really that evil. There’s no ads, no influencers, no celebrities, those are all bannable offenses even. It’s just… kinda nice and nobody expected that at all.
Here’s a snapshot of the evil propaganda they’re so afraid of: https://www.max-p.me/p/2025/rednote/rednote-snapshot.mp4
Their daily life looks just like ours, similar hobbies including cars and guns and tanks and cat ears.
I don’t understand how the Tiktok ban is related to another apps’ user decline.
the app people are going to instead of TikTok is RedNote which is only built with the Chinese language. so some people are trying to learn Chinese to navigate the app.
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To talk to the people much more than just navigating the app, they want to meaningfully engage and be accessible to the chinese people because it’s their app meant for actual chinese people.
I do not see anything in the article about user decline for any app, which app is losing users besides TikTok?
Yeah good luck with this on Duolingo lol. I’m years down the line and also having studied full-time over there, still far from “fluency”.
I think it’s great for basic grammar and vocabulary. Pair it with a grammar text book, dictionary, and media in the target language (written and spoken) and you should be able to understand the language fairly quickly. If you can get conversation practice with a native speaker, you’ll learn so much faster.
Duolingo is a game for points and badges. it’s not actually useful for learning anything.
I believe it is called a classical education
As with learning anything, you have to commit yourself to using multiple resources. Duolingo has been a great way for me to pick up vocabulary. Do I use it for sentence structure and grammar lessons? No. But it’s a fun way to replace the monotony of flashcards.
Yes, as any resource it shouldn’t be discarded completely, but there are always much better resources out there which for me makes Duolingo a time waster. Even if I would start anew with another language. It’s an app made by a company who doesn’t care about learning or languages, they just want to make people to stay for as long as possible on the app and pay for stuff like to restore their streak. Especially now since they’ve started using AI to generate content
Optimists learn English
Pessimists learn Chinese
Realists learn AK-47
True humans know: chaos language
Unga unga ugh baah baaah
Kuwata (soba) tsuno wovalai Tsurizhi (swakhna) pura alekai Kondəvain (kondəvain) umbu fərtun blonnuwail Shurtətei (skora) chegi hiato
Chinnata (bamba) iferih pulei Lechona (nawa) sowethi anei Shijako (shijako) alekhni fatalinya Nih pisha (fali) unhore sile
Utrashain aforen zhəkuraswa Towa ihatosei, ihatosei tsufralai Utrashain aforen zhəkuraswa Towa ihatosei, ihatosei tsufralai Keisha
Ulilya kozhizhi chachu kaija Nyame fetsu mekri, fetsu mekri ling ganal Ueri manja khutei araku Ali laraga chei, laragath yei shindulo
Just as I finally see Chinese culture gaining more global cultural relevance— and it had to be in order to bypass a ban of an intrusive app.
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… And because they refused, is now banned.
So, yes it was.
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☝️🤓 Well, actually…
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#2 is a ban.
I’m really not sure why that’s so hard to understand. If I said, “sell me your house or get out of town,” how is that not me running you out of town?
Gotta rise up to that Firefly/Serenity lore.
Shame it’s Duolingo though. HelloChinese and DuChinese are way better for actually learning the language.
HelloChinese is a little better on content and a lot better on not being an annoying ad machine.
