The conversations are amazing
Daamn, it’s so nice that nobody invented lying on Chinese internet yet, otherwise shit would be so embarrassing
I’m getting tired of all this propaganda… I honestly may leave Lemmy if this keeps up.
“Everything” we’ve heard about China is a lie? Are you people for fucking real?
Thanks for the flags, I needed them /s
The unexpected propaganda win for the PRC too lol. Anyone who might have been doubting the benefits of the dictatorship of the proletariat will now have first hand evidence that life is absolutely not better in capitalism
Cringe
Eh, there’s truth and lies on both sides. Coming from someone that lived in china for 4 years and was able to engage with Chinese primary news sources. But basic healthcare in china is faster and cheaper, but then again I went to get a wart removed and they prescribed me acorn paste that accelerated the growth of the wart. So win some lose some.
Lol people actually believed that social credit score bullshit?
Social credit scores were a thing. People were punished for low scores. It only happened in a few cities and it was described as a pilot.
Obviously the pilot got a lot of bad press in and outside China and it is no longer happening
Plenty of people also still believe the secret Chinese police stations bullshit.
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Never heard of mintpress. Looked it up and ooof. What a record
Uh huh. Looked them up where, MB/FC? Quoting myself:
The first step is to understand the media, which Media Bias/Fact Check and the Ad Fontes Media* are never going to teach you. The only people who are taught it are those who get degrees in marketing, public relations, political science, history, and journalism; and even then only some of them.
The new post-Trump/“post-truth” media literacy curricula won’t teach it to you either, because it was paid for and crafted by the US military-industrial complex: New Media Literacy Standards Aim to Combat ‘Truth Decay’.
This week, the RAND Corporation released a new set of media literacy standards designed to support schools in this task.
The standards are part of RAND’s ongoing project on “truth decay”: a phenomenon that RAND researchers describe as “the diminishing role that facts, data, and analysis play in our political and civic discourse.”
None of it is a secret, though, and it can be learned.
- Noam Chomsky - The 5 Filters of the Mass Media Machine
- Propaganda model
- Edward Bernays
- Walter Lippmann
- Council on Foreign Relations
- Powell Memorandum
- The Trilateral Commission’s report, The Crisis of Democracy
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*I’ve criticized MBFC & Ad Fontes before:
mintpress
From Wikipedia:
MintPress News supported former Syrian president Bashar al-Assad, and the governments of Russia and Iran.[3][4] It opposes the governments of Israel and Saudi Arabia,[5] and reports geopolitical events from an anti-Western perspective.[6]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MintPress_News
And
Further, they have frequently promoted conspiracy theories and misinformation regarding Covid-19, such as this A DARPA-FUNDED IMPLANTABLE BIOCHIP TO DETECT COVID-19 COULD HIT MARKETS BY 2021.
And they believe Uyghur genocide too. They’re fucking brainwashed. They completely lack critical thinking capabilities.
A great way to get people to understand is to insult them. That always works well
I mean I feel real stupid reading into it, but up until now, yes
American here, yes. To be fair I don’t think about China a lot.
Just goes to show you how deeply permeating the Red Scare is. Reminds me of that “exploding helmets” story that was obviously bogus but peddled as though it was true.
That’s one I never even heard of until now! I’m not surprised that the CIA-backed Falun Gong’s Epoch Times covered it: China Develops Helmets for Soldiers With Self-Destruct Button: Report. You can just make up any zany thing about the US’s designated baddies, and people will buy it.
Yep, I remember that one as it came out. Super silly.
You have credit scores in the US?
We have real credit scores in the US that keep people unhoused
Yes, that’s the sad truth. It doesn’t have to be a government program to be a systemic issue.
Try to keep in mind that is far from the only thing you’ve been lied to about. Not just about China either. The US propaganda machine is massive, and far reaching.
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In America we call it the credit score…
This right here.
And the point is that an average American barely knows how those work, or exactly what information the government and or private financial and other companies collect about them (it’s a lot) or how much it impacts their daily lives (deeply), in the same way the average Chinese person barely knows just how much surveillance their government is doing on them (it’s a lot) or how much it impacts their daily lives (deeply).
This post is such tankie bullshit.
Pretending like only one government does (internal and external) propaganda, or only one government is oppressing and lying to its own people (not to mention people in other countries), or that the average person in any country know, or is willing to admit to themselves, never mind others, and especially never mind people from a country you’ve been propagandised against from birth, the flaws of their own government is not only laughable, and hypocritical, but also massively counterproductive.
There’s a big difference between the commonly reported western idea of a social credit system, and the actual credit system that exists in China. Chiefly, it is primarily for businesses, not citizens. You’re making an error in attempting to equate the scope.
Chinaman regime good, daddy Sam regime bad🤡
It’s a fucking large state, their entire MO is control of population to rule them for personal gains. How naive is anyone to still LARP “my daddy good, my daddy strong, your daddy bad” bullshit.
Adult fuxking people jfc
First, don’t use that term to describe Chinese people, that has racist connotations.
As for your claim that the entire MO of the PRC’s government is “control for personal gain,” can you elaborate?
First, don’t use that term to describe Chinese people, that has racist connotations.
That’s a you a problem dear;)
Communist party of China and their state controled oligarchs have gotten wealthy. Now there is a large working class that doesn’t get much benefit from the regime and the growth model is stalled ie the same parasitic set up we see across all regimes currently.
the average Chinese person barely knows just how much surveillance their government is doing on them (it’s a lot) or how much it impacts their daily lives (deeply).
Unlike you, of course. You, the enlightened Westerner, the true free thinker, know so much more than those orientals.
So I’m not crazy? I could’ve sworn I looked into it, and it was basically just a credit score where you also get dinged for police interaction or living with someone who committed a crime
“Criminal record”
Not sure how this shit works in China but it is all about the same at the end of the day.
That type of system is not really accurate. There is a credit system, but it’s largely for companies and businesses as a way to exert control over shady business practices.
Or skin tone.
Indeed.
But… social credit literally is real… There are government legislations on this. It is not a conspiracy theory.
On the other hand Western media definitely has exaggerated and demonized it a lot. The social credit is basically your credit score, but it is more expansive and uses information some might see as encroaching on their personal privacy and freedoms.
wdym by “basically your credit score”?
The credit score in China is to keep tabs on businesses to prevent corruption and excesses, just basic things the US used to do back in the 1950s, but would now be considered “authoritarian”.
The credit scores in the US are used to prevent regular people from getting housing.
does it surprise you when a non neglible amount of americans believe the earth is flat? or that vaccines have nanomachines to control your brain? 😂
What a moronic, ignorant post.
They really need to add a translation feature though. It’s getting a bit annoying running everything through a translate app, for both english and chinese speakers I imagine.
Perhaps it will get added, but it’s important to note that this is a Chinese app for Chinese users, the English influx was an accident.
Still, China’s overall geopolitical strategy is to trade and be friendly with literally anyone who will do the same, so I imagine a translation feature may come.
They’re defnitely seizing the sudden opportunity to cater to a global audience though, Rednote ads are everywhere right now.
Makes sense, it’s free money and publicity.
We wouldn’t need a translation feature if cxiuj lernis Esperanton, just sayin’
(I mean, we would, but)
There are a heck of a lot more Chinese people that speak English than there are English speakers that can speak Chinese
Most of the Chinese speakers seem to be the youth
Source: I live near their timezone, and used to spend time on chat roulette and Chinese students wanted to practice their English there
China is a big place stuffed with folks.there are a lot more Chinese people doing whatever than most lol
It should be in the next update they already announced it
Oh, neat!
I didn’t think child labor still existed in China, just harsh labor conditions and low pay.
China’s government’s strict control of the media did, however, lead to me not questioning the social credit score thing.
Purchasing power is rising dramatically, labor conditions as well.
996 sounds like amazing labour conditions
Believe it or not, present in the US and other Western Countries as well. I would know, I have been forced into that before, and I even saw worse. Working hours for Chinese citizens are on par with developed countries while doing far more industrial production. Propaganda generally works by taking a kernal of truth and exaggerating its scope or minimizing it, not normally by outright lying.
Literally illegal in China
Literally allowed in practice
No actually, you’re just a racist making assumptions.
You’re also making assumptions though. And like pointed out elsewhere, mentioning Tiananmen Square still gets silenced so we’re kinda forced to assume one way or another and I generally don’t believe the state that is doing the silencing. That’s not racist and it’s messed up to jump to that accusation so quickly
No it doesn’t. It’s called the 6/4 event there. Do you EVEN KNOW WHAT HAPPENED?
Tiananmen Square https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1797650356727665115.html The US literally funding the propagation of fake Tiananmen square massacre pics
https://www.cecc.gov/sites/chinacommission.house.gov/files/documents/roundtables/2002/CECC Roundtable Testimony - Sharon Hom - 4.15.02.pdf
Actual footage from Tiananmen square as covered by the CPC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8dqOuHqcBQ
https://youtu.be/7bl_cyYHwNQ
Explanation of what happened https://worldaffairs.blog/2019/06/02/tiananmen-square-massacre-facts-fiction-and-propaganda/Tankman full vid
https://youtu.be/GRb4VY2dU4c
Not necessarily. You don’t know why they’re making that claim.
I live in Korea, where the letter of the labor laws are quite strong. However, they’re not enforced. Workers don’t sue companies because they’re either afraid to rock the boat due to cultural norms or afraid they will develop a reputation and become unhirable.
Korea and China are very distinct cultures, but there are key facets that are common between them. Confucian (or at least neo-Confucian in Korea) values prioritize maintaining the peace and deferring to authority. This is one of several factors that causes Koreans to endure intense working hours, and I’m more willing to believe Chinese folks overwork a lot due to the few shared values.
I mean america has wage slavery. I just think the detail are just different
USA have literal slavery, and it’s even straight up called slavery in 13 amendment to constitution. Which also makes US afaik the only country that did enshrined slavery in constitution. Land of the free my ass.
Pretty naive to think that child labor dosen’t exists in China tbh. Maybe not at the scale of child factory workers that some western media like to depict, but at a smaller scale, in farming, family owned business and small isolated factories.
As a parent, I would prefer this to modern western environments for children that include TVs, video games, phones and no idea what I do for a profession.
According to a couple news stories I’ve seen pop up from time to time, we have child labor in the US too. It’s not legal and the children are usually the children of illegal immigrants. Maybe it’s sort of the same deal over there i.e. desperate people doing desperate things despite the norm.
Yes, this is not something exclusive of China, or the US, basically everywhere, except maybe some countries in Europe, still have some kind of child labor in a lesser or greater degree. I don’t think China is the worst place on that respect, but blinding believing to someone who lives in a big metropolitan Chinese city that child labor dosen’t exists is pretty dumb.
we have child labor in the US too. It’s not legal
A lot of child labor in the US, is in fact, very legal.
From the age of 10-15, working papers can be issued allowing children to deliver newspaper, hawk products on corners, and do limited farm work.
From 15-17, working papers can be issues allowing children to pretty much do any job, with some limitations on hours, and tooling they can use (ie, no automatic sharp tools, like slicers).
Now, these are for my state. Some states are far more exploitative, such as Georgia, where kids as young as 13 can work a fast food joint.
Yeah as an American that lives in a rural area, I started working at the age of 8 doing small jobs like penny saver delivery to help pay for groceries since my mom was wasting child support on booze and drugs.
By 14 I was an assistant chef at a restaurant because I started as a dishwasher the year before and the other chefs quit or had a heart attack (miss you Bob). And I worked until 1am basically doing clean up and still had to go to school.If no one around you is caring about the rules and life of others, big federal/state rules are easily ignored, even in America.
Now that you mention it, I was a soccer ref when I was 15. You’re right, it probably varies by state. I guess “child labor” is a pretty broad term that could include delivering newspapers and processing chicken on a factory floor.
China is fucking rich dude.
So is the US, and we still have farms, small businesses, and small factories
Missing the “child labor” reference on your comment makes it very funny.
I mean, the US has that too. My point is that a nation being rich really doesn’t prevent having those businesses or using them for child labor at all.
I got it, but it’s sounds like the US have small (in size) businesses and factories, not that small business and factories use child labor.
Both are true. What’s your point?
In farming and small business’s it’s very common to see kids working in the us
harsh labor conditions and low pay
As opposed to how it is in the US…?
They’re both bad governments just in their own special ways
Precisely!
US media loves to go on about the horrible working conditions in China, claiming 11-hour days and all kinds of other sweatshop working conditions because nothing sells like a good tragedy, but nobody talks about the working conditions at home and talking amongst ourselves is often made difficult, either by cultural or business practices. It’s illegal to punish employees for talking about how much they make with each other, but that doesn’t stop businesses from doing it anyway, because people here simply don’t know their rights as a worker and companies love to take advantage of it. So we think we have a clear grasp of how the Chinese live while still believing that people here work 40-hour weeks and somewhere in the cultural zeitgeist is still the belief that people can afford a house with a white picket fence, a dog/cat, and 2.5 kids on one person’s salary.
labor conditions actually aren’t very bad at all. equivalent to first world countries. pay is relative
Same.
Not hard to believe when there’s camps for uyghurs.
Happy to be wrong.
I maintain this, but other comrades like @davel and @yogthos keep better megathreads about this topic.
https://dessalines.github.io/essays/socialism_faq.html#whats-going-on-with-the-uyghurs
This megathread is garbage, it lists quora and twitter threads as sources.
Twitter and quora are not sources lol. They’re platforms ppl use, and their posts should be measured by their merits, not where it’s posted.
I prefer hearing about it from Marxists far closer to the source, and using China’s own information they publish:
https://www.cpiml.net/liberation/2020/08/chinas-concentration-camps-for-uyghurs-in-chinas-own-words
Time can’t eat away, nor can we be led astray, we’ll still remember that day, from Beijing to Taipei…
Stop circlejerking the CCP assholes. While the US system is not great, it’s better than one party totalitarian dictatorship.
I spent $82 USD on cold, flu and bronchitis treatment last year!
The fact that this is considered expensive there made me do a choking double take in the same way as learning that an actual mansion in the 70s used to cost like 20 grand.
“now kiss”
Is this chinese punishment for banning tiktok?
