The conversations are amazing

  • @Nalivai@lemmy.world
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    -113 months ago

    Daamn, it’s so nice that nobody invented lying on Chinese internet yet, otherwise shit would be so embarrassing

  • @Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
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    -83 months ago

    I’m getting tired of all this propaganda… I honestly may leave Lemmy if this keeps up.

    “Everything” we’ve heard about China is a lie? Are you people for fucking real?

  • @Kiwiprole@lemmy.ml
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    363 months ago

    The unexpected propaganda win for the PRC too lol. Anyone who might have been doubting the benefits of the dictatorship of the proletariat will now have first hand evidence that life is absolutely not better in capitalism

  • @caboose2006@lemm.ee
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    1603 months ago

    Eh, there’s truth and lies on both sides. Coming from someone that lived in china for 4 years and was able to engage with Chinese primary news sources. But basic healthcare in china is faster and cheaper, but then again I went to get a wart removed and they prescribed me acorn paste that accelerated the growth of the wart. So win some lose some.

    • @psud@aussie.zone
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      43 months ago

      Social credit scores were a thing. People were punished for low scores. It only happened in a few cities and it was described as a pilot.

      Obviously the pilot got a lot of bad press in and outside China and it is no longer happening

    • @coolusername@lemmy.ml
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      -163 months ago

      And they believe Uyghur genocide too. They’re fucking brainwashed. They completely lack critical thinking capabilities.

    • Mister Neon
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      633 months ago

      American here, yes. To be fair I don’t think about China a lot.

        • @ShareMySims@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          3 months ago

          This right here.

          And the point is that an average American barely knows how those work, or exactly what information the government and or private financial and other companies collect about them (it’s a lot) or how much it impacts their daily lives (deeply), in the same way the average Chinese person barely knows just how much surveillance their government is doing on them (it’s a lot) or how much it impacts their daily lives (deeply).

          This post is such tankie bullshit.

          Pretending like only one government does (internal and external) propaganda, or only one government is oppressing and lying to its own people (not to mention people in other countries), or that the average person in any country know, or is willing to admit to themselves, never mind others, and especially never mind people from a country you’ve been propagandised against from birth, the flaws of their own government is not only laughable, and hypocritical, but also massively counterproductive.

          • Cowbee [he/they]
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            143 months ago

            There’s a big difference between the commonly reported western idea of a social credit system, and the actual credit system that exists in China. Chiefly, it is primarily for businesses, not citizens. You’re making an error in attempting to equate the scope.

            • sunzu2
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              -83 months ago

              Chinaman regime good, daddy Sam regime bad🤡

              It’s a fucking large state, their entire MO is control of population to rule them for personal gains. How naive is anyone to still LARP “my daddy good, my daddy strong, your daddy bad” bullshit.

              Adult fuxking people jfc

              • Cowbee [he/they]
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                143 months ago

                First, don’t use that term to describe Chinese people, that has racist connotations.

                As for your claim that the entire MO of the PRC’s government is “control for personal gain,” can you elaborate?

                • sunzu2
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                  -53 months ago

                  First, don’t use that term to describe Chinese people, that has racist connotations.

                  That’s a you a problem dear;)

                  Communist party of China and their state controled oligarchs have gotten wealthy. Now there is a large working class that doesn’t get much benefit from the regime and the growth model is stalled ie the same parasitic set up we see across all regimes currently.

          • @BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
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            143 months ago

            the average Chinese person barely knows just how much surveillance their government is doing on them (it’s a lot) or how much it impacts their daily lives (deeply).

            Unlike you, of course. You, the enlightened Westerner, the true free thinker, know so much more than those orientals.

        • @theneverfox@pawb.social
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          53 months ago

          So I’m not crazy? I could’ve sworn I looked into it, and it was basically just a credit score where you also get dinged for police interaction or living with someone who committed a crime

          • sunzu2
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            03 months ago

            “Criminal record”

            Not sure how this shit works in China but it is all about the same at the end of the day.

    • @nialv7@lemmy.world
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      But… social credit literally is real… There are government legislations on this. It is not a conspiracy theory.

      On the other hand Western media definitely has exaggerated and demonized it a lot. The social credit is basically your credit score, but it is more expansive and uses information some might see as encroaching on their personal privacy and freedoms.

      • stebo
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        53 months ago

        wdym by “basically your credit score”?

    • 小莱卡
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      does it surprise you when a non neglible amount of americans believe the earth is flat? or that vaccines have nanomachines to control your brain? 😂

  • @Pollux@leminal.space
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    233 months ago

    They really need to add a translation feature though. It’s getting a bit annoying running everything through a translate app, for both english and chinese speakers I imagine.

    • Cowbee [he/they]
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      483 months ago

      Perhaps it will get added, but it’s important to note that this is a Chinese app for Chinese users, the English influx was an accident.

      Still, China’s overall geopolitical strategy is to trade and be friendly with literally anyone who will do the same, so I imagine a translation feature may come.

    • @wurzelgummidge@lemmy.ml
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      203 months ago

      There are a heck of a lot more Chinese people that speak English than there are English speakers that can speak Chinese

      • @psud@aussie.zone
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        13 months ago

        Most of the Chinese speakers seem to be the youth

        Source: I live near their timezone, and used to spend time on chat roulette and Chinese students wanted to practice their English there

  • @Idreamofcheesy@lemmy.world
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    403 months ago

    I didn’t think child labor still existed in China, just harsh labor conditions and low pay.

    China’s government’s strict control of the media did, however, lead to me not questioning the social credit score thing.

      • @PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml
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        USA have literal slavery, and it’s even straight up called slavery in 13 amendment to constitution. Which also makes US afaik the only country that did enshrined slavery in constitution. Land of the free my ass.

    • @driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br
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      213 months ago

      Pretty naive to think that child labor dosen’t exists in China tbh. Maybe not at the scale of child factory workers that some western media like to depict, but at a smaller scale, in farming, family owned business and small isolated factories.

      • @DarkSpectrum@lemmy.world
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        03 months ago

        As a parent, I would prefer this to modern western environments for children that include TVs, video games, phones and no idea what I do for a profession.

      • Phunter
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        93 months ago

        According to a couple news stories I’ve seen pop up from time to time, we have child labor in the US too. It’s not legal and the children are usually the children of illegal immigrants. Maybe it’s sort of the same deal over there i.e. desperate people doing desperate things despite the norm.

        • @driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br
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          43 months ago

          Yes, this is not something exclusive of China, or the US, basically everywhere, except maybe some countries in Europe, still have some kind of child labor in a lesser or greater degree. I don’t think China is the worst place on that respect, but blinding believing to someone who lives in a big metropolitan Chinese city that child labor dosen’t exists is pretty dumb.

        • @ubergeek@lemmy.today
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          193 months ago

          we have child labor in the US too. It’s not legal

          A lot of child labor in the US, is in fact, very legal.

          From the age of 10-15, working papers can be issued allowing children to deliver newspaper, hawk products on corners, and do limited farm work.

          From 15-17, working papers can be issues allowing children to pretty much do any job, with some limitations on hours, and tooling they can use (ie, no automatic sharp tools, like slicers).

          Now, these are for my state. Some states are far more exploitative, such as Georgia, where kids as young as 13 can work a fast food joint.

          • @Krauerking@lemy.lol
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            23 months ago

            Yeah as an American that lives in a rural area, I started working at the age of 8 doing small jobs like penny saver delivery to help pay for groceries since my mom was wasting child support on booze and drugs.
            By 14 I was an assistant chef at a restaurant because I started as a dishwasher the year before and the other chefs quit or had a heart attack (miss you Bob). And I worked until 1am basically doing clean up and still had to go to school.

            If no one around you is caring about the rules and life of others, big federal/state rules are easily ignored, even in America.

          • Phunter
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            73 months ago

            Now that you mention it, I was a soccer ref when I was 15. You’re right, it probably varies by state. I guess “child labor” is a pretty broad term that could include delivering newspapers and processing chicken on a factory floor.

      • US media loves to go on about the horrible working conditions in China, claiming 11-hour days and all kinds of other sweatshop working conditions because nothing sells like a good tragedy, but nobody talks about the working conditions at home and talking amongst ourselves is often made difficult, either by cultural or business practices. It’s illegal to punish employees for talking about how much they make with each other, but that doesn’t stop businesses from doing it anyway, because people here simply don’t know their rights as a worker and companies love to take advantage of it. So we think we have a clear grasp of how the Chinese live while still believing that people here work 40-hour weeks and somewhere in the cultural zeitgeist is still the belief that people can afford a house with a white picket fence, a dog/cat, and 2.5 kids on one person’s salary.

  • @laserm@lemmy.world
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    -13 months ago

    Time can’t eat away, nor can we be led astray, we’ll still remember that day, from Beijing to Taipei…

    Stop circlejerking the CCP assholes. While the US system is not great, it’s better than one party totalitarian dictatorship.

  • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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    I spent $82 USD on cold, flu and bronchitis treatment last year!

    The fact that this is considered expensive there made me do a choking double take in the same way as learning that an actual mansion in the 70s used to cost like 20 grand.