The conversations are amazing
It’s honestly very wholesome to see this kind of interaction. On top of cute moments like Chinese users telling the new US users that they are their “spies,” seeing a lot of blatant myth dispelling surrounding the PRC is great to help tear down the Red Scare.
tbf the people who will download this app are not scared by China in the first place
I still don’t believe the TEMU bit though
what’s with the rise of chinese shills lately?
What counts as a “shill?” Approval in leftist spaces of the PRC is rising overall, which makes sense given that they are a Socialist country, but in the broader western landscape Red Scare propaganda is still dominant.
Approval in leftist spaces of the PRC is rising overall
thanks for the warning, I’ll stay away form these then
Socialist country
last time I spoke with a leftist about it, china was capitalistic and therefore can’t be used as a bad example for communism, because TeH rEaL cOmMuNisM was never tried before
Red Scare
that’s just decades of whatever bullshit china and the SU were doing, there’s not much of western propaganda necessary
Anyone who tells you “real Communism has never been tried before” is likely a Trotskyist, which is a strain of Marxism that was proven theoretically incorrect the second the Peasantry in Russia aligned with the Proletariat successfully. What came of that was post-hoc discussions about a “Worker State” not being Socialist if it didn’t fully eradicate all classes immediately, essentially taking a left-dogmatic error in applying Marxism.
Socialism, in reality, is an economic Mode of Production where Public Ownership and planning is primary in the economy. There’s no such thing as a “pure” system, which was the major philosophical advancement in Dialectical Materialism when analyzing Modes of Production through history. Capitalism is a Mode of Production where commodity production and markets are primary, and while they are present in the PRC, they are not the primary driving force of the economy, and are subservient to the Public Sector and government planning.
As for your take that the Red Scare didn’t matter, I’m curious what you think the USSR even looked like from a day to day pespective.
thanks for the warning, I’ll stay away form these then
You are in one right now. Lemmy leans pretty clearly to the left, the conservative subs literally got bullied into non-existence.
You’ll be seeing alot more China “shills” as Americans keep realizing the amount of propaganda they’ve been fed lol
Shill=/= people you disagree with
wow the level of cope in this thread (thankfully not that many tho) arguing over stats - which are probably made up anyway.
some people can’t handle that most humans just wanna be friends regardless of gov politics bs
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It must be so easy being an anti-communist, you can just make to whatever unfounded bullshit you like and expect people to believe you
In communist China everyone gets a daily ration of 5 crickets and tree bark scraps, that you’re only allowed to eat after giving Xi Jinping a sloppy kiss in the mouth.
That’s a rookie bullshit, you need to tell something like: “People have nothing to eat. I have seen personally children eat dirt.”
“They have to push the trains all the way between two stations and some of them have to secretly steal bolts and pieces from the train and eat them because they have no actual food.”
China isn’t communist in the slightest
It’s usually westerners that love to depict the Chinese president as a yellow bear in a deragatory manner.
Massive reach.
So offending the state in China invokes the punishment of getting to experience the American reality?
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I don’t think most Chinese people are racist crackers like you anyway
Chinese people can be racist af. Source: am 華人
Well, keyword being “most”. There is indeed some pretty racist shit about India on Rednote.
Everyone’s pals until you mention Pooh Bear…
Wait, China’s not a dystopian nightmare?
Circle jerking about China is as ridiculous as circle jerking about the US. We’ve been here before with US vs USSR, but this time everyone has a megaphone and an IQ that can be measured with a ruler.
I mean isn’t this more "circle jerking " about dismantling state propaganda? Interacting with those you were told are your enemy?
Besides, people should always celebrate the positives, and look towards them as something that is possible in their country too.
And as an fyi: when we were here before, the workers revolution in Russia was new. The achievements were so profound that workers in North America began demanding similar concessions from our governments. There was a real threat of overthrowing the existing power structures. And what happened? Weekends, literacy, healthcare, just generally improved living conditions. To dismiss cultural exchange as circle jerking is to ignore history and the power that comes with knowing things are better elsewhere, and that you can have that too.
when we were here before
🎶Couldn’t look you in the eye 🎶
Fuck yeah
Make a point you verbose idiot. You said literally nothing of enough substance to know what’s in your little rat brain.
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At least I can articulate what I’m mad about ya fuckin loser
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Yes I am annoyed at someone making a stupid statement, proudly exhibiting their lack of knowledge and xenophobia. Why exactly do you think it is a bad thing to be able to be emotionally affected?
It appears that the general tone of this thread is an attempt at serious and jovial discussion, which entails empathy and taking each other seriously.
Would you rather not be taken seriously? Why?
Would you rather be treated with apathy? Why?You know if you’re going to call everyone who disagrees with you stupid you should at least have a single point in any of your posts. It just doesn’t land the way you’re doing it here.
You keep on coping there little buddy. What’s happening is that regular people from both countries are now talking directly to each other, and finding out what life is actually like.
Uhhh, not exactly regular people. From what I’ve seen from the Rednote, at least my feed is wealthy upper-middle or upper class, while the Americans are from low to middle class.
not what I see in my feed, might depend on the interests you picked and whom you followed, etc
what was preventing them from doing it before?
Lack of will on the part of Americans to engage on Chinese platforms like Xiaohongshu. The looming TikTok ban is what pushed people over the edge.
tiktok is chinese tho so where were all the chinese users?
TikTok is a Chinese built platform, but it’s built strictly for users outside of China. The Chinese version of TikTok is Douyin. You could’ve googled this yourself in the time it took you to write this comment.
Why are hexbears so rude, all I did was ask questions
disclaimer
This is a bit. I know you’re not on hexbear and I don’t think you’re rude. I’m just parroting the line a lot of smug libs say upion getting rightly called out for behaving like assholes
At first I downvoted, then I saw username@hexbear, then I laughed and upvoted.
I love how these types of trolls think they’re being very sophisticated.
Why? Tiktok is availabe in multiple countries with completely different language, culture and laws so why not China? Why have a different version of the app specifically for china?
I’m curious, what does this line of questioning have to do with my original comment?
Because censorship lmao
Niether Moscow or Washington, but somehow Washington actually
If what you’re trying to get at is that whereas it is very important to unlearn the lies and exaggerations one was told about a country, that people also need to avoid replacing these lies with an overly simplistic and uncritical understanding of that same country, and that the current social media landscape makes it very difficult for many people to have the necessary nuance to avoid this pitfall… Then I would agree with you, but I’d also tell you that mentioning the eugenicists’ favorite way of measuring “intelligence” is a very bad way of phrasing this idea, and that your standards of what counts as “circle-jerking” about a country are probably not nearly as inviting of nuance as you’d think.
…mentioning the eugenicists’ favorite way of measuring “intelligence” is a very bad way of phrasing this idea…
100% agree. The IQ thing is a tired and lazy joke. I need to work on a replacement for that old jab.
Wow those sure are some thoughts you managed to have. Big boys and girl and gems usually like to talk to each other and listen. You should try it. Use your words. What is your critique of the USSR and why do you perceive “realising we’ve been propagandised about china” as being akin to a circle of people masturbating?
As a Polish person, if you say anything good about USSR without acknowledging it was shit stealing, people murdering, generation destroying piece of shit, I’d like to invite you to talk to some of the old people who remember, read diarys or fucking analysis.
Do you know they even decimated our fucking cuisine?
Sorry if you weren’t implying anything positive about USSR, I have short fuse here.
As a Polish person
I can lie about my nationality and make shit up too Mr FBI agent.
Also the idea that old Polish people are a monolith is bloody fantastic.
As a civ player, I know a cultural victory when I see one.
Not everything! For instance, we don’t wear shoes to bed.
Lol people actually believed that social credit score bullshit?
Plenty of people also still believe the secret Chinese police stations bullshit.
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Never heard of mintpress. Looked it up and ooof. What a record
Uh huh. Looked them up where, MB/FC? Quoting myself:
The first step is to understand the media, which Media Bias/Fact Check and the Ad Fontes Media* are never going to teach you. The only people who are taught it are those who get degrees in marketing, public relations, political science, history, and journalism; and even then only some of them.
The new post-Trump/“post-truth” media literacy curricula won’t teach it to you either, because it was paid for and crafted by the US military-industrial complex: New Media Literacy Standards Aim to Combat ‘Truth Decay’.
This week, the RAND Corporation released a new set of media literacy standards designed to support schools in this task.
The standards are part of RAND’s ongoing project on “truth decay”: a phenomenon that RAND researchers describe as “the diminishing role that facts, data, and analysis play in our political and civic discourse.”
None of it is a secret, though, and it can be learned.
- Noam Chomsky - The 5 Filters of the Mass Media Machine
- Propaganda model
- Edward Bernays
- Walter Lippmann
- Council on Foreign Relations
- Powell Memorandum
- The Trilateral Commission’s report, The Crisis of Democracy
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*I’ve criticized MBFC & Ad Fontes before:
mintpress
From Wikipedia:
MintPress News supported former Syrian president Bashar al-Assad, and the governments of Russia and Iran.[3][4] It opposes the governments of Israel and Saudi Arabia,[5] and reports geopolitical events from an anti-Western perspective.[6]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MintPress_News
And
Further, they have frequently promoted conspiracy theories and misinformation regarding Covid-19, such as this A DARPA-FUNDED IMPLANTABLE BIOCHIP TO DETECT COVID-19 COULD HIT MARKETS BY 2021.
Yes, people genuinely believe that the social credit exists.
In America we call it the credit score…
Or skin tone.
So I’m not crazy? I could’ve sworn I looked into it, and it was basically just a credit score where you also get dinged for police interaction or living with someone who committed a crime
“Criminal record”
Not sure how this shit works in China but it is all about the same at the end of the day.
That type of system is not really accurate. There is a credit system, but it’s largely for companies and businesses as a way to exert control over shady business practices.
This right here.
And the point is that an average American barely knows how those work, or exactly what information the government and or private financial and other companies collect about them (it’s a lot) or how much it impacts their daily lives (deeply), in the same way the average Chinese person barely knows just how much surveillance their government is doing on them (it’s a lot) or how much it impacts their daily lives (deeply).
This post is such tankie bullshit.
Pretending like only one government does (internal and external) propaganda, or only one government is oppressing and lying to its own people (not to mention people in other countries), or that the average person in any country know, or is willing to admit to themselves, never mind others, and especially never mind people from a country you’ve been propagandised against from birth, the flaws of their own government is not only laughable, and hypocritical, but also massively counterproductive.
the average Chinese person barely knows just how much surveillance their government is doing on them (it’s a lot) or how much it impacts their daily lives (deeply).
Unlike you, of course. You, the enlightened Westerner, the true free thinker, know so much more than those orientals.
There’s a big difference between the commonly reported western idea of a social credit system, and the actual credit system that exists in China. Chiefly, it is primarily for businesses, not citizens. You’re making an error in attempting to equate the scope.
Chinaman regime good, daddy Sam regime bad🤡
It’s a fucking large state, their entire MO is control of population to rule them for personal gains. How naive is anyone to still LARP “my daddy good, my daddy strong, your daddy bad” bullshit.
Adult fuxking people jfc
First, don’t use that term to describe Chinese people, that has racist connotations.
As for your claim that the entire MO of the PRC’s government is “control for personal gain,” can you elaborate?
First, don’t use that term to describe Chinese people, that has racist connotations.
That’s a you a problem dear;)
Communist party of China and their state controled oligarchs have gotten wealthy. Now there is a large working class that doesn’t get much benefit from the regime and the growth model is stalled ie the same parasitic set up we see across all regimes currently.
And they believe Uyghur genocide too. They’re fucking brainwashed. They completely lack critical thinking capabilities.
A great way to get people to understand is to insult them. That always works well
I mean I feel real stupid reading into it, but up until now, yes
Social credit scores were a thing. People were punished for low scores. It only happened in a few cities and it was described as a pilot.
Obviously the pilot got a lot of bad press in and outside China and it is no longer happening
American here, yes. To be fair I don’t think about China a lot.
Try to keep in mind that is far from the only thing you’ve been lied to about. Not just about China either. The US propaganda machine is massive, and far reaching.
Just goes to show you how deeply permeating the Red Scare is. Reminds me of that “exploding helmets” story that was obviously bogus but peddled as though it was true.
That’s one I never even heard of until now! I’m not surprised that the CIA-backed Falun Gong’s Epoch Times covered it: China Develops Helmets for Soldiers With Self-Destruct Button: Report. You can just make up any zany thing about the US’s designated baddies, and people will buy it.
Yep, I remember that one as it came out. Super silly.
You have credit scores in the US?
Indeed.
But… social credit literally is real… There are government legislations on this. It is not a conspiracy theory.
On the other hand Western media definitely has exaggerated and demonized it a lot. The social credit is basically your credit score, but it is more expansive and uses information some might see as encroaching on their personal privacy and freedoms.
The credit score in China is to keep tabs on businesses to prevent corruption and excesses, just basic things the US used to do back in the 1950s, but would now be considered “authoritarian”.
The credit scores in the US are used to prevent regular people from getting housing.
wdym by “basically your credit score”?
I realized why i fucking hate tankies. They use the same debate tactics as alt-rights but its not even a clear divide as technically theyre on your side.
imagine making social media so bad your own citizens actively procure your biggest rival’s networks.
