In the end, only the customer pays extras.
Trumpets cannot comprehend this
They will first go “I don’t buy those damn consoles and gamer PCs every few years”, then find out once their new iPhones will be much more expensive…
Everything will be more expensive, if it uses a modern CPU. Phones, tablets, computers of any type from any company (both Intel and AMD are fabbing consumer CPUs on TSMC, as is Apple and Qualcomm), TVs, set top boxes, everything.
Right now TSMC is basically the only fab anything consumer-facing is made on, which is not a great thing in general, but vice president trump just decided that anything electronic needs a hefty price hike.
And remember, once the price goes up, it rarely goes down. Even after the tariffs reverted in the future.
There was a time…
They seem to like cars a lot. Remember when there was a car shortage because chip manufacturing froze during Covid?
Issue with that, they would love to have “chipless” cars they can repair with a screwdriver and a wrench.
He emphasized that the proposed tariffs would leave companies with no choice but to invest in domestic production facilities to avoid high taxes.
No choice except the obvious: Pass the cost of the Tax into the customer because there’s no way they’re going to spend billions to stand up a US fab plant anytime soon.
Also, because these investments are long-term when the tariffs are likely to only be short term.
No choice except the obvious: Pass the cost of the Tax into the customer because there’s no way they’re going to spend billions to stand up a US fab plant anytime soon.
TSMC is standing up fabs in the US, mostly because we’re bribing them to do so.
The problem is that it takes literal years to build high tech manufacturing and isn’t something you can yank out of your ass to satisfy some idiot politician.
By Taiwanese law, TSMC isn’t allowed to move cutting edge processes to its US plant. The overseas operations have to be at least one gen behind.
From a strategic point of view, it makes sense for the Taiwan government to do this. They don’t want the US to suck them dry then cut a deal with the mainland.
I mean, it’s economic blackmail: we won’t build the good shit anywhere else, so if you don’t protect us, you get nothing.
Effective, but only if you’re dealing with someone who is rational, and, well, have you seen the brain-worm oligarchs in charge of the US lately?
For Taiwan, it’s a matter of survival, plain and simple. They’re not going to give up their monopoly because without it they cease to exist. It does not matter how irrational the person they’re dealing with is, because for them this is life and death, literally. TSMC is the single biggest national security asset they have.
More so when these plants take 10 years to build. They will pass along the cost and just wait him out.
That’s just how tariffs work. They’re not a weapon against enemy nations. They’re a tax on Americans.
And nobody is going to bring production back to this fascist slave pen of a country.
Yeah but what corporation is going to think of the obvious solution?
To avoid this, the administration would need to introduce exemptions, just like it did with China-made graphics cards and motherboards years ago.
If that is the approach, it would ensure tech monopoly for 5 years for all of the oligarchy that kisses his diaper.
More major issues with this is that while high end Chip production may be high value manufacturing, motherboards, electronics, and assembly is not, and there would likely be an export of chips to somewhere else to import finished products.
US/Trump explicit hatred for world is likely to get retributive tariffs, that makes chip plants unproductive investments, though Trump is hoping to have high foreign ownership/investment in those plants.
In 2022, the export share of Taiwan integrated circuits to US was just 2.46%, although in early 2024, total (all goods) Taiwan exports had US take lead over China for the first time.
That both US and China are decoupling from Taiwan is going to reduce any geopolitical subservience impulse that provokes a war with China. Taiwan may get closer to China instead of begging for more US “friendship”.
I don’t get the goal here. It’s not just that existing fabs are in Taiwan, I thought it was the knowledge was as well.
I was under the impression that we’d built a couple of fabs here and they’re not productive due to a knowledge deficit. Maybe I’m uninformed.
It seems, to my uninformed self, that if we impose tariffs we’d be strengthening Taiwan/China relations. Wouldn’t China still serve as a middle man?
I don’t see us manufacturing when the dollar is so high relative to foreign currency; add in the lack of knowledge and facilities and I’m not sure what you get.
I truly believe these are his way of soliciting bribes from foreign and domestic businesses.
They’re going to have to pay him to get around them.
Wait until his voters see their toy prices flying up
His voters seem to think it’s Taiwan that pays the tariffs.
Can’t wait to start putting Trump “I DID THAT!” stickers next to $5000 walmart laptops
I’m considering placing a bulk order for these stickers: https://cnliberalism.org/store/p/my-tariffs-did-that-sticker
But that would be low!
And really the president doesn’t have the power to set prices. Trump can’t magically make eggs cheaper! And so on. Chatgpt what is the best open source open hardware guillotine plans?He doesn’t have the ability to directly set prices, no. He could massively subsidise things he wants to be cheaper. Do you think that’s going to happen though?
But that wouldn’t make billions of chicken appear into existence. The eggs would be cheaper and there would shortsges.
I’m sorry, I’m not sure I’m following your train of thought…
Are there currently egg shortages? Subsidising something doesn’t mean there’s less of it, means the government pays someone in the production stream to keep prices low. Like what happens with gasoline just about everywhere.
The official story is they killed 100 nillion chicken due to bird flu. This caused a shortage of eggs, the shortage caused the price to raise until it was so high they became unaffordable to some people.
They will say that was the work of the democrates as a last ‘fuck you’.
my tamagotchi 😢
lol is he even trying to hide being a Russian puppet anymore?
Surely this will bring egg prices down.
Awesome. More availability for the rest of us.
You mean we finally can get a gpu?
Best I can do is a GPU box with a rock in it
Awesome! Send them to Canada, we can build data centres and sell the cloud services back to Americans powered by the electricity that we expect to be tarriffed, and cooled by the water we won’t sell.
Or Mexico! We’re already on it. Sheinbaum is working to get a chip manufacturing plant up in Guadalajara. Exciting stuff, honestly.
Make the chips in Guadalajara, ship them out of Puerto Vallarta to Vancouver to power server farms in Surrey; cut the US out entirely.
Mexico isnt about to replace TSMCs capabilities.
I didn’t say that.
Hell, use the waste heat to power hot water heaters or something. It blows my mind that we don’t do more cloud computing in cold environments. The servers produce heat, the people need heat, solve one problem with another. Instead we seem to be putting them in the driest and hottest climates available.
Indeed. My Alienware doubles as a space heater in my north facing office.
I’ve been looking at doing a new pc build but wanted to wait for the new GPUs coming out. Looks like I should just my new build before prices are stupid.
I did mine a couple months ago because I anticipated this happening.
Or at least buy the GPU now.
I built my system in 2019 and and everything needs upgraded. I also wanted to switch to AMD, so figured I’d just do a full build
But I thought the Tim Apple donation to the trump inauguration was supposed to curry enough favor to avoid this.
ThisIsMySurpisedFace.jpg.
Oh he did, there were supposed to be 500% tariffs /s
more AI but less compute please make it make sense
Hmm… You might be on to something. Ever since after Ww2, we have been ruled in a way where police is never really stated outright and whatever teevee suggests is never what the policy or reasoning really is.
Looking at your “Patriot” act
*their, i am not from le usa
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in which case I change that to yes
Wildly bad ideas at exactly the right time in history to do the most damage.
What a goddamn dumb fuck
Lol, I’d love to watch everyone in the US paying triple for literally anything that has electronics in it.
If Trump then wants to build chips in the US, good luck. ASML is the only one with the machines, first of all, and by the time he can buy those, something tells me they might have some extra tarifs added to them, and then paying US salaries for electronics would skyrocket prices to people having to pay four-five times the amount of what they’re paying now.
Not saying that the near slavery conditions in Asia are fine, that should have changed decades ago, but the way trump is doing this is hilarious, people will want his head on a plattee
iirc the machines that TSMC uses are made in Holland right when he’s also apparently doing his best to piss of Europe, even then there’s like a decade long order backlog.
They are made in the Netherlands, yeah. ASML
