Gosh Tim. How is that million dollar personal contribution
directly into Trump’s pocketto Trump’s inauguration fund working out for you?In the end, only the customer pays extras.
Trumpets cannot comprehend this
They will first go “I don’t buy those damn consoles and gamer PCs every few years”, then find out once their new iPhones will be much more expensive…
They seem to like cars a lot. Remember when there was a car shortage because chip manufacturing froze during Covid?
Issue with that, they would love to have “chipless” cars they can repair with a screwdriver and a wrench.
Everything will be more expensive, if it uses a modern CPU. Phones, tablets, computers of any type from any company (both Intel and AMD are fabbing consumer CPUs on TSMC, as is Apple and Qualcomm), TVs, set top boxes, everything.
Right now TSMC is basically the only fab anything consumer-facing is made on, which is not a great thing in general, but vice president trump just decided that anything electronic needs a hefty price hike.
And remember, once the price goes up, it rarely goes down. Even after the tariffs reverted in the future.
There was a time…
Wat
To avoid this, the administration would need to introduce exemptions, just like it did with China-made graphics cards and motherboards years ago.
If that is the approach, it would ensure tech monopoly for 5 years for all of the oligarchy that kisses his diaper.
More major issues with this is that while high end Chip production may be high value manufacturing, motherboards, electronics, and assembly is not, and there would likely be an export of chips to somewhere else to import finished products.
US/Trump explicit hatred for world is likely to get retributive tariffs, that makes chip plants unproductive investments, though Trump is hoping to have high foreign ownership/investment in those plants.
In 2022, the export share of Taiwan integrated circuits to US was just 2.46%, although in early 2024, total (all goods) Taiwan exports had US take lead over China for the first time.
That both US and China are decoupling from Taiwan is going to reduce any geopolitical subservience impulse that provokes a war with China. Taiwan may get closer to China instead of begging for more US “friendship”.
What a goddamn dumb fuck
Lol, I’d love to watch everyone in the US paying triple for literally anything that has electronics in it.
If Trump then wants to build chips in the US, good luck. ASML is the only one with the machines, first of all, and by the time he can buy those, something tells me they might have some extra tarifs added to them, and then paying US salaries for electronics would skyrocket prices to people having to pay four-five times the amount of what they’re paying now.
Not saying that the near slavery conditions in Asia are fine, that should have changed decades ago, but the way trump is doing this is hilarious, people will want his head on a plattee
iirc the machines that TSMC uses are made in Holland right when he’s also apparently doing his best to piss of Europe, even then there’s like a decade long order backlog.
They are made in the Netherlands, yeah. ASML
Trump is a chinese puppet apparently
Russian revenge for the sanctions.
The dismantling of the US was Putins wet dream since forever, he would have done the same with or without the well deserved sanctions for invading Ukraine.
People hyped for the Nvidia 5000 series better get their cards before prices skyrocket across the board. I guess graphics cards weren’t expensive enough or something.
Really though, no brand is safe from the soon-to-be insane prices if this does go through as a blanket tariff without exceptions. Better to err on the safe side and upgrade soon as you can, if you need to and you’re not too wealthy to care.
world going down faster than ur sister on a Friday night but PC parts go BRRrRRRRRrrrrRRRrRRRR
Frat bro vibes detected
Lemmy is for everyone. Even the bros
I never went to college or was in a frat you goober
My apologies
thanks
Oh no I got owned :'(
Will this affect cpu prices? I don’t know much about my computer’s gut’s guts
The most cutting-edge chips are made in Taiwan. Hardly any (if any) chip foundry comes close to the quality they export. It will raise prices of nearly everything in a PC as consumers will probably buy up the remaining stock of modern hardware as an alternative.
Good news nobody is hyped for NVIDIA 5000
I’ve read some idiots online saying “you’re dumb if you didn’t wait for the 5000 series” based off of the revealed MSRP, as if the majority of people are ever going to buy at those prices (especially now with tariffs). What’s likely is that consumers will pay far more to get relatively less improvement if they go with a 5000 series card.
There’s enough sucker fanboys for Nvidia that they’ll probably still sell though. Just like how there’s people who will buy the new Call of Duty each year.
Even for the big spenders the 5090 does not warrant a new purchase. The 4090 was fast enough for most things. For things the 4090 is not fast enough, the 30% bump will not be much help.
A far bigger VRAM capacity would have been nice but 8GB extra is meh
But it can run cyberpunk at a whole 21 frames per second!
I don’t get the goal here. It’s not just that existing fabs are in Taiwan, I thought it was the knowledge was as well.
I was under the impression that we’d built a couple of fabs here and they’re not productive due to a knowledge deficit. Maybe I’m uninformed.
It seems, to my uninformed self, that if we impose tariffs we’d be strengthening Taiwan/China relations. Wouldn’t China still serve as a middle man?
I don’t see us manufacturing when the dollar is so high relative to foreign currency; add in the lack of knowledge and facilities and I’m not sure what you get.
I truly believe these are his way of soliciting bribes from foreign and domestic businesses.
They’re going to have to pay him to get around them.
Ah yes. Our sworn enemy: Taiwan.
It would be comical if it wasn’t so sad.
Trump is on china’s side. Make no mistake he like their way of doing things.
Trump had to tariff someone or else he was going to look stupid for never shutting up about tarrifs.
He’s going, or is, senil. The tariffs are just something that got into his head that are simple to understand.
he is going, or is, senile
How the hell we’ll be able to tell
Did you see the vid where he thinks Spain is the S in BRICS?!
🤡
He’s probably has had dementia for a while, that’s where his lean and dumptruck ass come from.
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Oh man, Trump…I had this thing I wanted to give you…where did I put it…oh yeah…🖕
Is that Roman salute?
lol I’ve always heard it as the sailor salute
Looks like an American salute to me.
OP needs a second to make it American.
One finger victory salute
So where is the US going to get its chips from then tax TMSC makes over 90% of chips?
TSMC was supposed to open a plant in the US, but apparently that takes a bit of time to get running.
I thought the US FAB was also going to be a generation behind?
Correct. Taiwan considers it a matter of national security to never allow their best processes to be exported. That monopoly is why Taiwan still exists.
That was interesting but it didnt talk about the export ban. It was more like an overview of the Taiwanese economy and how the chip industry relates to it.
They did say American worker is lazy and expects highest pay lol
Cry me a fucking river. This corpo really forgot who defends their precious island. American tax payer spends good money in your support. Show some fucking respect.
The US gets an unsinkable aircraft off the coast of PRC, while Taiwan assumes all the risks of a war with PRC. If anything the US should show some respects to its allies instead of treating them like disposable pawns.
Sir, I am not “the US”, i am USian pedon, merely a subject, speaking on my own behalf.
Just to be clear, we do not guve a shit about : China, Taiwan, All of South east Asia, Ukraine, Russia, All of Eastern Europe, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Palestine, Iran, all of MENA
You people are all own your own, stop embroilling us in your god damned fucking wars.
Poor USA, forced to be an empire
That only the washing and corporate gremlins that want an empire. They should be recycled as cat food.
The US definitely doesn’t give a shit about all those countries.
But my take is the US is doing it so that it can continue its global dominance. Russia or China will happily take its place if the US relents. Are you willing to take a backseat to China or Russia? Doubtful.
Eventually humanity will rid itself of the imperial disease. Or perish.
In the mean time, it is better US (United States) than THEM (The Hegemony of Evil Manchurians)
Maybe I’m misreading because one poster above deleted their comment, but I can’t understand: how exactly has TSMC shown “disrespect”? Or was the poster showing disrespect?
Putting corporations aside and speaking of states: the US and Taiwan have respectful and friendly relations. They depend on each other.
Now, a tariff of 25-100% on a partner’s primary export and one’s own vitally important import is more like putting a shotgun to one’s leg out of spite. It would be hurting oneself and hurting the other side - and not a little bit.
The US is a store that Taiwan frequently shops in - a very big defense equipment store, I should say. Some of the toys cost money, but if you buy enough, you get kickbacks - the US gives Taiwan some security assistance for free. It also says it will assist Taiwan if anyone (we can imagine who that might be) attacks it.
Meanwhile, Taiwan is a store the world frequently shops in - a very big microprocessor, memory and microcontroller store. Frequent customers can tell TSMC “it would be nice if you brought some of your business here, we have a vacant spot suitable for your plans”. And it works: one factory will be built in the US, one factory in the EU. Maybe elsewhere too. Getting that to happen didn’t need Trump or insane levels of customs tariffs.
To achieve that, people just negotiated like normal people do. TMSC know they operate in a country prone to violent earthquakes and close to an agressive neighbour, they are quite OK with placing some of their business abroad.
I am a US worker and TSMC execs spoke shit about the US workers and said we get paid too much.
I am expected to tolerate such behavior from a foreign corpo parasite when my taxes are spent to defend them?
Y’all, can’t conceptualize the separation here lol
Brother have you just willfully ignored what US CEOs say every day about US workers?
US CEOs also get the guillotine
Read my body of work dear…
TSMC execs spoke shot a our the user workers uhhh…what?
Typo Fixed
That’s weird, I see it’s been edited but there’s no “been edited” icon next to it.
Wasn’t this the same justification that America used to send factory jobs overseas? I feel repeating verbatim what the US has stated is the ultimate sign of respect.
Sir, I am not “the US”, i am USian pedon, merely a subject, speaking on my own behalf.
If anything US should show some respect & lick the boots of EU, Taiwan & India
Y’all got some weak reading comp here lol
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Trump is basically a sad fat kid in a classroom that just cries and screams when shit doesn’t go his way and then ruins everything for everyone else.
Trump is going to use Tariffs to try to offset making larger tax cuts for the wealthy.
It’s better that he does this now so that we have a solid recent example to point to of how this will impact what we pay for goods.
Never mind we have 100 years of data backing this up, people are idiots and won’t recognize the treat until it hurts them directly.
To be fair, we mostly have examples of how free trade reduces prices. But this reduction in prices usually wasn’t instantaneous and perceivable by ordinary folks. Because corporations wouldn’t hand out the savings to consumers until the very slow market force of competition forced them to. Tariffs will make everything more expensive and even if they are eventually culled, stuff will not become suddenly cheap again.
I agree, I doubt very much that price savings for any reduction in Tariffs will be passed onto the consumer. However any increase in Tariffs will immediately be felt.
I’d rather see an increase in a single sector such as microchips to show the public the costs of Trump’s plan in real modern dollars to help build opposition. Than wait until he pushes an across the board Tariff. Which would likely result in a stagflation for the population at large.
In a way I’m glad he’s doing this. He’s going to inflect so much pain that he loses in a landslide in four or 8 years or whatever. If income tax rates are 0, then a new administration would be able to set them as high as they want without consideration of trying to increase them by 2 percent or whatever they do now.
I agree I’d rather Trump shit the bed hard and early so we can contain the damage and show the public at large what his policies will really do to them.
But Tariffs will never be enough to offset income tax completely. I think he is going to use Tariffs to offset renewing his tax cuts for the wealthy. There are a good number of house republicans who will not go along with tax cuts if it increases the deficit. Revenue from tariffs would give him enough cover to placate those Republicans while directly pushing the cost onto US consumers who are primarily lower and middle classes.
Even after 4 years when he is out of office and the next administration reduces those tariffs and goes back to a progressive tax system. Even reducing those tariffs then will never bring prices down. Companies will never pass those savings entirely to the consumer they will pocket the money and everyone else will be screwed.
The grift is obvious for anyone paying attention but a lot of his base doesn’t realize that they pay almost no tax because of credits and deductions. Tariffs will hit the working class hard.
China I get, but Taiwan ? It’s literally a US-proxy state
I’m sure that orange fuck will try to sell it to “beautiful” president Xi, or to clean it out to stop the conflict, or something like that, that bubbles up in his senile demented brain.
I mean Puerto Rico is literally part of the US and that doesn’t seem to matter for them…
