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I say this every time the topic comes up, and I’m always downvoted for it but here goes again:
YouTube is going to do this suit because YouTube CAN do this shit. It’s their company. They can enshitify it as much as they’d like. And they WILL enshitify it as much as they like as long as people continue to use it.
How long have they been in existence now? 18-19 years? And with every year they gets worse and worse, while growing bigger and bigger. Why do you think that is?
Could it be because they know that although everyone will bitch about them, complain about them, and write scathing tech articles about them- people will still gobble their shit up regardless.
Don’t like what YouTube is doing? Maybe think about not using it. Because as long as you’re participating- either by creating content or viewing it- you are a big part of the reason they’re getting away with doing this shit.
Downvote away.
I’m very surprised you got downvoted for saying that
Me too. I never try to come off as pushy on the topic. Just suggesting an option, but man… people haven’t responded well to it in the past.
They get away with it because they don’t have serious competition and the reason for that is that allowing anyone to upload videos for free, to be viewed by anyone else for free, is by itself not a viable business model.
It’s the size really. As with most social media platforms, often they are fairly easy to create (YouTube definitely isn’t, but many could). Problem is that it’s impossible to compete with, because people expect the activity you get from hundreds of millions of users.
Same goes for Twitter, Reddit and whatnot. Since capitalism took over the internet completely, basically none of the large plattforms have been outcompeted really.
To big to fail isn’t the banks nowadays, well then to, but it’s IT as well.
People well not pay for anything. I mean you can get YouTube premium without ads. But the vast majority don’t want it. And since no one well pay for anything how does a computer to YouTube make money?
Shit tons of people are paying for it. And the ones that aren’t, are viewing ads- both of these things are a profit for YouTube.
The only option you have is to not use the services at all. This is how you hurt them.
Nope. I don’t pay for it, and I don’t get ads.
For now.
The day I’m forced to watch YouTube ads is the day I never use it again
At the end of the day, we’d all be better off if everyone just never used it again, because as long as people put up with what they do- the more they’ll do it.
@aeternum @technology Adguard blocks all advertisements on there. I’ve installed that, and I’ve never received a single one. As much as I wish I could simply mix YouTube for my life, I can’t, because too many of the folks who produce content up there use it as their only means of sharing that content with the world, so I’ve sort of struck a balancing act between watching the things I want to watch, Will still remaining conscientious of what the companies behind it are doing.
does it count as viewing if every time I just download the videos with yt-dlp, and watch in a good media player?
Youtube started when hosting video’s was way easier. The files where smaller, the bandwidth of most people wasn’t that great either. Storage was more expensive though.
These days everybody wants 4K footage and everybody was 100-1000+ mbps internet and we have 4K screens so we can also watch it.
The competitors who host it are either paid up front or porn sites. Because there is no real way to start up a competitor to YouTube. I decided to accept that and I have RSSfeeds of all the creators I like to watch so I bypass the algorithm
Let’s just say, unless YouTube crosses people’s bottom lines and there’s an alternative being actively advertised, people won’t move.
Otherwise, they push that bottom line further.
The lack of alternatives where creators actually get paid for people watching their videos is the biggest problem.
Nebula pays creators, and you pay to Nebula.
I have nebula, but still pay also for YT subscriptions
Even youtube doesn’t pay the creators that much. Lois Rossman in a recent video showed some of his video in YT that had over 200k views and generated ~100 USD of income.
And that’s probably what will kill them as payouts get worse and worse making other platforms more attractive as you’re not losing as much. A lot of YouTubers I follow seem to becoming more and more reliant on Patreon as ad revenue goes down.
On a related note. Why would creators add sponsored segments/other sponsoring/patreon etc if YT pays them enough?
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YT doesn’t pay them enough. Unless your some kind of super star.
Agreed. Seems there no floor to what people will put up with from them. I can’t understand it. I’ve tried products and services I found that I absolutely hated. I don’t have those products or services anymore.
It’s pretty easy to not do something.
I use Firefox with uBlock Origin and SponsorBlock. I never see any ads on youtube.
Reminder that Firefox on mobile also has ublock origin and other add ons that improve the experience.
Safari in itself also blocks a lot of ads, but if that is not enough IOS users can also install Firefox. There is no reason to watch ads anymore
As far as I know, Firefox doesn’t have ad blocking or extensions on iOS. Safari with AdGuard does pretty well though, and there’s Vinegar for YouTube specifically.
This is the way. Just make sure to disable the YouTube app on your phone so links people send you don’t open in the app.
I find using it in a browser clunky. Much prefer a dedicated app (now I use Tubular), which gives some extra functions like downloads, history and playlists.
Does Firefox on iOS have extensions? I have to use Orion by Kagi to get extensions on iOS.
Look into Sideloadly and uYouPlus by qnblackcat . I’ve been using it for years now, and while a hassle to sign the apps every week, it’s the best we have unfortunately.
It does not. If you don’t want to sideload, consider AdGuard and/or Vinegar. Only works with Safari, though.
Yeah extensions on Firefox mobile is fucking awesome
I’d love to know their cost of storing all the YT videos and serving them.
YouTube runs at a loss, as far as I am aware. The other businesses prop it up. They run it, even at a loss, because they harvest data from it.
Pro-tip: Watch youtube on firefox/etc with a bunch of ad blockers. No ads.
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uBlock origin is enough :p
Sponsor block is a nice extra though
I just avoid channels with annoying sponsor segments, that has been a pretty good filter which also largely avoids clickbaity titles, since they seem to go hand in hand.
Ads? What ads?
I don’t hate them. I think 80% should go back to the creators though.
When they’re every few minutes, screw that. I do.
Tbh YT premium is well worth the asking price though I wish it subsidized the free experience as that’s much more important for the platform.
There are tools that let you do what YT Premium provides for free unless you’re hooked on the music.
I am hooked on the music.
There are tools for the music side as well
RVX Music works quite well for me on Android
Honestly, the service is worth it for me. I need the easiest process possible for my luddite wife and kindergartener’s Amazon fire tablet. I put my mom on the account too.
But for everything else, yarrrrr.
A kindergarteners amazon fire tablet is a sentence i hope i never have to hear again
RVX Music requires manual compilation, right? Also, does it properly play album version of songs? (YT Music ReVanced plays the video version of songs instead).
I don’t remember having to compile it and there’s a setting to prefer the album version of songs
I guess I will give it a try someday. I originally had a Google Play Music subscription back in the day when it had a cleaner UI(and then Google killed it). I recently switched back to YT Music since ReVanced would usually play video variants.
I don’t have much love for YT Premium since the official YouTube app is worse than NewPipe, say. Even after paying, you are shown adverts for purchasing say, merchandise from creators (that counts as an ad in my book).
I will probably give RVX a try once my current subscription ends.
Sadly I haven’t found a tool that works on smart TVs, so I just pay for it
Sadly I have Roku TVs
Yeah, if anybody figures out a solution for Roku… please tell me. I’m set everywhere except one Roku stick in my basement, hooked up to my projector. The best place to watch movies in the house, the only place with ads.
I stuck with Roku because it works if I block their ads on my pihole, and I can pay or steal everything else
I know all the tools but I’d rather support Youtube which has ben an incredible service for me and I think it’s a net good for the society so it should remain sustainable.
“Support YouTube” lol… You mean give money to Google. I think they’ll be fine.
Let me explain my point of view - it’s not about giving money to Google but showing the business that there’s a viable monetization strategy that isn’t locking down content or fighting ad blockers.
Let’s say there is no Youtube premium and everyone has an adblocker then google has no choice but to fight ad blocking harder or lock down the content because Youtube starts to bleed money. Now some lazy people pay for Premium and we have this little golden mean where everyone can kinda use the platform kinda freely which is a pretty good compromise if you ask me.
Alphabet (the parent company of Google) made over 100 billion dollars in NET income. For those that don’t know, net income = total revenue - total expenses.
ALL expenses are already accounted for.
I don’t think we need to care about a billion dollar company making record breaking amounts of money. Sure, YouTube is great & has brought lots of great content but the company behind it is not struggling whatsoever. Your average American is struggling to make ends meet. I’d rather use any tool the community creates to make it as difficult as possible for them to take my data & give me ads. Their whole ad industry is a multi billion dollar business model. I don’t even make a six figure salary. I can’t even imagine a couple hundred thousand dollars let alone several hundred thousand, 1 million, or beyond.
Musify exists.
Only on Lemmy you get downvoted for saying you pay for a service you like…
The problem is yt premium is not able to sustain google’s platform. Only google’s synergic monopolies make youtube possible and alternative financially unviable. Youtube, very literally, must die. As long as youtube exists it will maintain critical mass and kill everything else judt by existing. To fund youtube is to reinfotce this entrenchment. Both paying or watching ads and arguably just watching it, empowers google momooly position and its capture of the zeitgeist.
Nope. I was well into negative on Reddit for the same.
Firefox + Ublock Origin
also works on android
Yep, this works! No ads.
What if you only use the apps?
Lookup Grayjay
RVX, a fork of ReVanced, works well on Android. You’ll have to side load it yourself, but it’s got very good ad blocking and sponsor block if you don’t want to hear shilling during a video.
No idea for iPhone.
Why not just use the original ReVanced?
It had stopped working for me
Use a third party app like New Pipe, if your on a fruit phone… you unfortunatly cant side load apps, I dont have an answer…
I’m using newpipe but the anybility to find content with youtubr’s content discovery algorithm or a locally running one makes for a lot yif very annoying tab switching and scrolling to the bottom of newpipe thousand item playlist. I’m going to try this rvx!
What ads? My adblocker still works.
EDIT: Not reading any of the replies, so enjoy your circle jerk.
Use the Brave browser and you won’t get any ads. Glorious.
Yup, it’s my backup if I need a chromium browser for something. I just don’t engage with the BAT nonsense and it’s about as good as a chromium browser can get IMO.
Firefox w/ uBlock Origin is my main though, mostly because I want to support independent browser engines.
Never use a browser that aggressively advertise itself.
Then you only have to endure the ignominy of using a browser from a homophobic anti-vaxxer
Whilst enduring YouTube
It’s far more bearable without ads. Which can be blocked with most ad blockers in pretty much any other browser.
I keep brave around pretty much just for this, because it’s the easiest and most effective way on MacOS and iOS. And yet they still seem to be getting through sometimes lately.
The easiest and most effective way on macOS and iOS is to use the AdGuard extension for Safari. Or the U block origin extension in Firefox.
Neither come with the shame of using a browser developed by a homophobic anti-vaxxer.
Are you speaking from experience? Because I am. And those don’t work. This is right now, on iOS 18.3 on my iPhone 16 Pro.
They worked fine for me, but I don’t have all of those other extensions. AdGuard blocks all the ads on my device, including ads in YouTube videos.
Perhaps you should tweak your settings?
You need Vinegar as well.
A bad person can create a good product. It’s that simple.
Also, I love that you’re self-righteously typing this out on a computer produced by slave labor, likely involving kids.
You’re better than me for sure.
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A bad person can create a good product sure, doesn’t mean we need to support it.
I don’t even think he’s that bad. The worst thing he did was create JavaScript, which is largely fixed now, and the second worst is donate to an anti-LGBT group with his own money. As CEO of Mozilla, he led a very diverse group, diverse enough to kick him out once they found out about his donation.
I personally wish he was back at Mozilla instead of the nonsense leaders they’ve had since he left. I certainly don’t agree with his political views, but he built a great organization and I think Mozilla would be in a better place with him at the helm.
I don’t use Brave as my main browser because I think Firefox is still worth supporting as an independent browser engine, but Brave is my backup if I need a chromium browser.
There’s no slave labor (nor children) involved in producing an iPhone. Unless you completely twist the meaning of the word “slave“ to mean something completely different than what it really means. Of course, unless you have proof that child slaves built my iPhone. I’m pretty sure you don’t.
As for criticizing self-righteousness, what the hell do you call your entire comment but self-righteous whataboutim?
A bad person can create a good product. It’s that simple.
It’s really not, though. Using their “good product“ ends up supporting the bad person. Most people aren’t OK with that.
Not OP, but your smart phone may not have been assembled with child labor, but some of the components/minerals used in its construction have been tied to child labor in the past.
Most people aren’t OK with that.
What evidence can you provide to support this, or is this simply your opinion?
What evidence can you provide to support this, or is this simply your opinion?
You first
Yeah that’s not how this works.
It’s really not, though. Using their “good product“ ends up supporting the bad person. Most people aren’t OK with that.
You made a statement, not I. Either you have evidence that most aren’t OK with that, or you don’t.
Do you have amnesia? Because you definitely made a claim without providing evidence.
Not OP, but your smart phone may not have been assembled with child labor, but some of the components/minerals used in its construction have been tied to child labor in the past.
So go on then. Provide that evidence.
Of course, we’re not discussing iPhones of the past. The matter under discussion is specifically the phone I have now. Nice try with that strawman.
So go on. Provide evidence for your claim. And try to do it without any more logical fallacies. Other than the whataboutism that you wrote in here on, by the way.
Edit: trolls get blocked. I’m sure you’ll find some way to blame me for that too.
EDIT: Not reading any of the replies, so enjoy your circle jerk.
That’s what I do as well when mozillatards begin questioning my browser choice, thinking they’re much better person than I am. Hope they enjoy their dying browser.
Ublock Origin + Firefox fork :3
Also a good option, but I like that Brave’s native adblocker works better without addons.
Fortunately LibreTube and NewPipe exist 👍
Yeah. What ads?
Stop. Using. Youtube.
And replace it with what?
Pornhub?
Deez nutz
Freetube, and what I use, Newpipe. There are better experiences out there. All one needs to do is search for them. Happy hunting.
Isn’t that still using YouTube? Just a different interface.
Eh, I would argue you’re only using the servers to access the content creators data. Youtube is the interface, algorithm, advertisement, comments, etc. If it’s just the creators data being accessed with no additional contribution from youtube then I would just treat it as any ol’ host server.
I use an alternative frontend for actually watching stuff, just google and find one with a public instance, no ads, can do pip on your phone for free
also easy to host for yourself
Touching grass
Many people responded with helpful advice. You decided to add rudeness to that. Why?
It was supposed to be a joke
Yes. A rude joke.
It’s not that deep
At least use an adblocker
Literally any other form of entertainment.
Though the statement was to stop using it, not replace it.
Youtube is not just entertainment tho - the catch is that Google has way too much actually useful info hostage, like lectures, guides or documentaries.
@EngineerGaming @Senal tbf a lot of the creators I watch on YouTube are now on nebula and/or patreon. I ought to explore alternatives.
True. But I am not even talking about dedicated content creators (for whom it is indeed an option!). I am talking about, say, an old laptop disassembly guide that a random master uploaded and just forgot about it. People not actively managing their content are not going to bother.
It’s somewhat of a catch, that’s generally how monopolistic moats work but you really shouldn’t be relying on google as a backup service for obscure videos you wish to keep.
I’ve no idea of the amount of lectures, guides, documentaries and other non-entertainment media that is available exclusively on youtube, but again it isn’t an archiving service.
They can, will and have deleted whole channels for various reasons, most of which were bullshit, if you find something you absolutely have to keep, download it.
That being said, the process of downloading, archiving and curating content on anything more than a trivial scale can be much more involved than it seems, especially if you want backups/redundancy.
I’ve never been a big youtube user so my opinion on this is coloured by the fact that i don’t have that much invested in the platform.
I am now downloading everything I personally need or like. Wish there was, say, a torrent index of Youtube videos)
Not sure how versed/willing you are to selfhost but I’ve heard good things about tube archivist.
There are also a bunch of ui’s for yt-dlp, though i can’t vouch for quality.
Neat finds) That was not my point though. I just use yt-dlp and don’t feel the need to have a server for my multiple files. I just was wondering if I could help share the preserved content somewhere. I could just link to the torrents on my website, but that wouldn’t be of much use because no one ever would think of searching there…
You have a point it’s a monopoly but most YouTube videos I watch now the creators are always suggesting viewing on patreon because of all the YouTube copyright stuff.
I’ve noticed quite a few have vanished from YouTube so maybe there’s some signs YouTube is starting to get to annoying for creators.
I’ve never used Patreon, but are the videos not hosted there from YouTube?
Patreon has it’s own internal hosting, yes. But is it still leaning on Azure/AWS? shrug Probably.
I think they can pretty much post whatever they want but I’ve never used it myself as it’s all pay walled. But yeah I think reactors are all jumping over to it as it gets harder to post anything on YouTube without someone else trying to claim the ad money.
For watching YT videos: NewPipe or Tubular for phone app. FreeTube on Pc. Invidious in browser.
Just a few examples, there is loads more alternatives.
Including different platforms all together. Too much to choose from.
Butt stuff
On desktop: uBlock origin (Vivaldi or Firefox). On mobile: Newpipe and AdAway (VPN mode, or rooted phone).
On the TV, smarttube
Firefox + Ublock also work on mobile.
On Android.
Yeah, I kinda assumed the people who cared about these sorts of things wouldn’t be using an iPhone.
DNS filering alone doesn’t work for YouTube in my experience.
You’re absolutely right and I forgot that for a moment there.
Tv: smarttube Android: revanced iOS/ipad: youtube++
What youtube ads, I haven’t seen one in years, fortunately.
Me neither, as I don’t use YouTube at all.
I have to see them at school all the time, because our
teacher’steachers don’t bother installing adblockers.Are you blocked from installing browser extensions?
@RobotZap10000 @Viri4thus you should teach the teacher…
Use Firefox Mobile and ublock origin it will block ads on mobile
You’re not speaking to the teacher
teacher’s
Now I’m doubly disappointed in your teachers.
Woopsie! That’s what 7 years of Dutch grammar does to you.
Mine is capitalising everything because of German.
Not Everything, just Nouns.
At least German is consistent, unlike English where every so-called “rule” nearly has more exceptions than places it applies. As a native speaker I’m always amazed that anyone manages to learn our train wreck of a language.
English has its pitfalls, but is in many ways incredibly simple.
Plus it’s everywhere, and the best way to learn a language is to use it.
English is 3 or 4 languages melded into one.
There’s the Germanic old English which gives most of the base language. This is mixed with Norse from the viking invasions. Then aristocratic French came in around 1,000 years ago. Underneath it all, some regions have Celtic influences.
Of course there aren’t consistent rules.
Same. We should all collectively abandon ship and just learn Esperanto or something.
Dutch is way worse than English regarding inconsistencies it’s not even funny.
Sadly Dutch is adapting to make some thing “proper” Dutch which where never proper Dutch and sound wrong to every native Dutch speaker. Like “groter als jij” instead of “groter dan jij”.
I’m not sure what you mean here. As far as spelling goes, Dutch is far more consistent than English.
You’re mentioning some none-standard Dutch which is often perceived as incorrect (and it is indeed according to the rules of the standard language norm). Yet, if you were correct in your claim that ‘groter als jij’ was ‘never proper Dutch and sound[s] wrong to every native Dutch speaker’, no native Dutch speaker would ever use ‘groter als jij’. Native Dutch speakers do this often, though, and have been doing it at least since the seventeenth century (eg. this quote from 1670: ‘Zy [de vrucht ”Peci”] is niet veel groter als een kastanie …, vol sap en aengenaem van smaek: herder dan een gemeine appel, en een weinig zuurachtig,’ - ‘It [the fruit “Peci”] is not much bigger than a chestnut …, full of juice and pleasantly tasting: harder than a common apple, and a bit sourish,’).
Sorry to have gone so off-topic here, though.
EDIT: Woops, got confused myself
The plural -s in Dutch only gets an apostrophe if the stem word ends on an open vowel. So it’s cavia-cavia’s on the one hand, but kikker-kikkers on the other (and la[de]-lades). So even in Dutch this’d be incorrect ;)
Teacher here. My school uses everything Chrome OS and locks the ability to install extensions or other browsers. It’s not always us.
You should teach your teachers.
When I watch YouTube on the Roku in my bedroom I see ads and it’s terrible. If I see a 30 second ad I go back and hit play again, usually I have to do that two or three times and then I get a 5-second skippable ad. Even then I’m often only two or three minutes into the video before it plays another ad.
One reason I switched to android TV.
