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Crazy talk. Next you’re gonna say we only need one 196 instead of five.
To be fair onehundrednintysix exists because the 196 mods are a bunch of shitlibs, also 19864 exists because tbh I thought it was funny and I still do (also its more left wing)
196 mods are a bunch of shitlibs
I’m literally a trans socialist, and 100% of the other mods are either gay or trans. We’re as left as left gets.
I’ll say it as many times as I have to: The move had nothing to do with politics. There’s a lot of value in Ada’s style of moderation, because cishet people have damn near the whole internet to serve as their “safe space” for the lack of a better term, so the value of having a dedicated queer instance is enormous. Her work means that communities like !queer_defense_front@lemmy.blahaj.zone already have the vast majority of the work done for them.
By and large, we are in agreement with Ada and her mod actions. (We don’t tolerate transphobes, racists, etc., and that didn’t change after the move). Where we disagree is things like Kolanaki getting banned for saying he wants to learn to be an ally but can’t ask about trans topics without getting negative replies. In a community like QDF it would make sense to remove the comment because it’s not the time or place for his input, but on 196 we feel like it’d be a lot more productive to teach him what he can do better to engage with us more effectively, rather than assume he’s incapable of doing so. He’s never said anything transphobic in either of the 196s I mod for, and I see no reason he shouldn’t be welcomed in the community.
And it’s worth noting that !196@lemmy.world is still free of transphobes/racists/tankies/etc., despite the panic.
Moving to a shitlib instance is a sign of a mod team that does not care about its community, in addition yall talk about “tankies” yet you think you own your community (you do not, no mods do)
Point to one instance of me saying this. You’re making shit up.
I wasnt specifically referring to you I said yall (the mod team), you made it about yourself to derail my argument
yet you think you own your community (you do not, no mods do)
Right.
Also “your community”? You’re literally the only one here claiming it’s my community.
And we’re already federated with .world. Always have been.
Nah you ain’t left as left gets. You post on a community that uses “tankie” in the same way conservatives use “woke.” If that ain’t the most liberal shit ever, then I am Hillary Clinton.
Ctrl+F “tankie” and replace it with “authoritarianism apologist”, then. 🤷♀️ I can’t say your opinion means much to me if it boils down to a semantic argument.
Authoritarianism is antithetical to everything the left stands for, at least in America (especially under Trump’s reign). Being a communist isn’t enough for you to claim to be on my side.
So if I’m right about this…
- !196@lemmy.blahaj.zone - this is the original one, which was frozen and brought back to life after everyone left. people still post here tho dunno why maybe they’re lost?
- !196@lemmy.world - this is where the mods went. it has a lot of subscribers but most of those are dead accounts
- !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone - this is where all the posters went. the most active one.
- !19684@lemmy.blahaj.zone - bc “[kittenzrulz123] thought it was funny and … its more left wing”
- !196@pawb.social - the furry version
- !195@lemmy.world - this is locked and just points to one of the 196es.
Considering none of them post the same memes this is fine
You might even say… “Let one hundred and ninety-six flowers bloom!”
Also 19864 was originally a subreddit that I used to be very active in and I just wanted it here (the rest is accurate)
how does 19864 differ from 196? how did the subreddit differ from /r/196?
No hornyposting, also sex isnt real, basically 196 but Ace :3 (and even more leftist)
huh, well thanks for clarifying 😁
!moretankie196@lemmygrad.ml - the only one I’d ever even consider posting to
Ahem…
It would be tight if there was a local option(What we have now) and a All option that let’s you see all the communities across all federated spaces that share that same name.
We could find a solution for that, couldn’t we?
E: It’s something the mods have to discuss about (the community can take part in that discussion too, democracy and stuff). We could for example merge to lemmy.ml.
To be fair, one can have good reasons against .ml as well as .world
Having two communities is not the worst idea imho
To be fair, one can have good reasons against .ml as well as .world
You’re right now let’s start our own com on a completely different instance. /s
Based
You don’t have to join an instance to participate in their community.
Or… And here me out… when can go descentralised ;-)
Don’t take it wrong. I dislike to check multiples communities just like you but then I remember how centralised my life is and I’m fine with it.
yeah, I thought the whole point of lemmy was not to centralize everything … it’s nice when things are spread across separate instances, as long as the instances federate
I agree and I think we should merge instances too, and maybe appoint a CEO to take care of it. we can call it lemmit.
I can be the CEO if I get 30 million euros a year.
isn’t the point of the fediverse to not consolidate?
Options are better than useless limitations (ignoring scope creep)
I created an instance for one specific community so that users won’t be affected by who federates from who (unless you’re a spam instance or something like that)
There’re some different ideas in the thread now, basically a fediverse type of consolidation.
I agree, theres no need to fight
The chronically online weirdos on world don’t like the chronically online weirdos on ml. They are both chronically online weirdos and I try to view these really active communities or names I recognize like a zoo. These people are throwing shit at eachother for our amusement. Keep it separate.
I see we both took a day trip to the zoo and got locked up by accident.
We’re all trapped in the zoo, my friend. The illusion is that none of us are caged.
I think it’s healthy for the fediverse to have similar communities on different instances, because if we centralize, it basically becomes reddit, which means moderation and censorship are at the whims of whoever owns the only place people go.
I’d also like to give a shout-out to sopuli.xyz/c/memes for having a popular memes community too.
I think it’s healthy for the fediverse to have similar communities on different instances, because if we centralize, it basically becomes reddit, which means moderation and censorship are at the whims of whoever owns the only place people go.
💯
See also this blog post discussing this issue and some of the proposed improvements: https://popcar.bearblog.dev/lemmy-needs-to-fix-its-community-separation-problem/
I like their proposed solution #3, but it is somewhat hampered by the DNS-centric model of ActivityPub. I hope that one day something like this proof-of-concept of making AP content-addresable (which i found via this post about “How decentralized is Bluesky really?”) will be widely adopted and make instances less important.
But even without such a major change as moving to content addressability, that blog’s proposed solution #3 (simply letting communities “follow” other communities) would let readers pick which moderation they like without posters needing to manually cross post to reach everyone: If communities A and B could mutually follow eachother, posts would by default appear on both but could be independently removed from either. 🤔
That sounds like a pretty cool solution. I don’t have a good mental picture for how that would work on the technical side, but anything that does behind-the-scenes work like that for new users is probably worth considering.
I completely agree
The issue is that lemmy.world is having federation issues bc they didn’t update to last release
I think they are about to.
my man has no idea on the motivation behind federation
It’s still federated.
They are just trying to say that you don’t want all your eggs in one basket. In my opinion it’s better to have it posted once on either and it shows up in my list. The logic is that if everyone posts on 1 instance, that instance ends up having more power over other instances. For instance it can defederate with another instance and since all the content is on theirs those users would be forced to start over, or join the bigger instance and abide by their rules. Slowly you end up back in a situation like reddit. Where maybe they put ads in, and you have to choose ads and active number of users, or no ads and very little content starting fresh. Spreading out content helps combat enshitification if you will.
the motivation behind federation
How about rebasing instead of merging to get a more linear meme history?
I blocked .world because it’s a centrist shit hole that serves to do nothing but piss me off with whiners who don’t do shit about fuck complaining about tankies and fascists as though their no side taking ass even has a fucking seat at the table.
Fuck .world
If I could only take sides with tankies ot fascist, I wouldnt chose sides either.
First they came for the tankies, and I said good fuck em that’s between y’all
I’d take the Marxists over the literal Nazis 10000 times out of 10000, and not a single time would there even be a microsecond of contemplation. One only need to know that the Nazis industrialized mass murder and the Communists focused on improving the lives of the working class to know that it isn’t even worth comparing.
Dude you need to broaden your circles
Oh look holocaust trivialization
Ok, that needs a little explaination
Cowbee already answered your question but I’d like to point out that as a German you really need to be careful about what propaganda you believe about the Soviet Union and Stalin. Keep in mind that Germans killed 26 million soviet citizens less than a hundred years ago.
Painting Communists and fascists as equal evils originated as a form of Holocaust trivialization called “Double Genocide Theory.” The goal was to make the Nazis seem not as bad by painting the Soviets as just another evil, regardless of material reality. The reality is that Communists have historically been an overall quite positive force compared to liberalism and fascism. I recommend reading Blackshirts and Reds to see an honest comparison and critique that highlights just how wrong equating fascism with Communism is.
Hey i remember you. last time we had this convo and i pointed out some key facts about the dissolution of the USSR (after you claimed it was murdered) you threw an epic tantrum and started screaming about fake news.
I don’t remember any of that at all, mind linking it? What facts did I deny? The USSR was dissolved intentionally, not really as a result of inherent issues with Socialism, that’s true at least.
Edit: oh, I found it in your modlog. I didn’t throw an “epic tantrum,” nor did I scream. I responded to your claims with evidence and articles after you gish-galloped, and then you refused to read them because you didn’t want to “do homework.” Odd miscategorization, I must say.
What a wonderful misrepresentation of reality. Ah well, as you said, it’s modlogged so good luck pretending
First of all: I didnt set them equal. I just said I wouldnt chose either. If you are offering me two meals: A deadly vial of arsenic and some garbage out of your trash, i wouldnt chose too.
And furthermore: Tankie (as far as I understand this word) doesnt mean communist. And the communists I know, dont want to be seen like this.
So please try not to mention the shoah thoughtlessly in such discussions. Because this would definitly mean a trivialization.
Equal or similar in awfulness, neither is accurate to reality, and again, has roots in the aforementioned method of Holocaust trivialization called Double Genocide Theory.
“Tankie” is a caricature. The idea of a tankie is the ideal vision of a McCarthyian Communist. In reality, the overwhelming majority of people labeled as such don’t actually fit that label, it’s more of a way to cast an image of someone’s positions based on, say, support for AES countries, and twist that into the evil Commie Pinko that haunts the dreams of 1960s children in the US.
No Communist wants to be seen as this caricature, they’d rather be seen as the Marxists they are, but those who use the term “Tankie” as though it has any meaning contribute to the demonization of Communists.
Ok another try:
If I get offered 2 options, and both options are bad for me, I wouldn’t choose either. By this, I dont rank their “badness”, I just tell that those options are not suitable for me. Not more not less.
Like arsenic and trash. They are both not suitable for me. But I dont rank them. I just say " no".
I my bubble the term tankie means somethin like a neo-sowjet, who thinks that the SU was heaven on earth. Not a communist. To be honest, I havent invested any real effort in researching this. But I just quotet the word, theyre not my words.
And once again Please try not to mention the shoah thoughtlessly in such discussions. Because this would definitly mean a trivialization.
Just post only in one community. Not that hard.
Sure, but how do we react when people don’t follow this and cross post anyway? Which one do we downvote?
Your proposal is much too streamlined.
Perhaps you presume memes are a commodity of which consumption should be maximized!
Nay, I say. Memes are an essential nutrient that becomes toxic in larger doses.
Thus, they must be scattered about in the environment to be encountered by happenstance whilst I pursue my main information foraging goal of finding ad hoc justification for my durable sense of dread.
Memes, uhh, find a way.
Do whatever you want but I am planning many epic shitposts pretty much anywhere I can get a reaction.
Ok.
