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Let’s install Windows 10 for protest
Or linux.
I do have Linux installed to all my PCs in my house. Now I need a Windows that doesn’t require MS account ;)
Yet another reason to not use windows 11.
not
LennyLinux!
“Hi, I liked XY development tool having a proper GUI on Windows where can I find a non CLI…”
“LEARN TO USE NEOVIM!”
“LEARN TO USE GDB!”
“DO EVERYTHING FROM THE COMMAND LINE!”
Will people just stop using windows already. I get for work but if you just waiting on that one game then fuck off it’s not worth it. I gave up some of my favorite games because it wasn’t worth using Windows
For people with “that one game” there is a middle ground. Mine is Destiny 2 and they use a version of easy anticheat that refuses to run on Linux. My solution was to buy a $150 used Dell on eBay, a $180 GPU to be able to output to my 4 high-res displays, and install Debian + moonlight on it. I moved my gaming PC downstairs and a combination of wake-on-lan + sunshine means that I can game at functionally native performance, streaming from the basement. In my setup, windows only exists to play games on.
The added bonus here is now I can also stream games to my phone, or other ~thin clients~ in the house, saving me upgrade costs if I want to play something in the living room or upstairs. All you need is the bare minimum for native-framerate, native-res decoding, which you can find in just about anything made in the last 5-10 years.
I loved destiny 2 but I gave it up. Fuck Bungie because someone got it to work and they banned them
Proton is amazing though. I got Lego LotR working on my steam deck by installing some DirectX 9 dependency to fix a graphical glitch with the game. Runs like a dream.
Can I run multi-monitor high refresh rates without the desktop slugging? Last time I seriously tried switching to Linux, this seemingly simple setup in 2024 was too much for it to handle.
I run 2x 1440p monitors at 165hz and 144hz fine
I don’t know about high refresh rates, but multiple 4k screens was a pain point in 2023 and it’s a complete non-issue in 2025.
Sure, as long as you run a wayland capable DE. Like GNOME or KDE. It’s still experimental in linux mint afaik. You might have a few problems if you have an NVIDIA card (no proper wayland support) or HDMI cables (limited to 144 fps because of copyright issues iirc).
I have Nvidia yeah and quickly learnt that I wasn’t going to get it working smoothly and went back to Windows. If I manage to get a RRP 9070XT, then I will try Linux again.
I hate the “stop using windows” comments, when it’s quite impossible to have the same experience without specific hardware and setups.
The nvidia support is getting better, but yeah they’re years late compared to AMD which basically has better drivers on linux than windows.
It’s not the fault of the creators of an operating system that Nvidia refuses to write comparable drivers. Nvidia are the only ones with the technical knowledge of the GPU’s internals that is necessary to write the 100% functional driver. Open-source Nouveau drivers exist but are less functional because of this, its programmers have to try to reverse-engineer and do a lot of guesswork and testing, and for free.
Basically: If you value FOSS software at all, buy from manufacturers that are friendlier to FOSS software, or you may unknowingly lock yourself out of it.
Edit: Buying newer (especially of Nvidia) is probably a bad idea if you intend to run Linux. Older cards have had more time for them to fix the inevitable bugs. I run a GTX980Ti 😅 with the closed-source drivers on an Arch-based system and I’m honestly surprised a video driver update hasn’t seriously broken anything yet.
Never said it was the fault of the creators, I love the idea of Linux and wish it was the mainstream desktop OS, then none of these issues would really exist. I only have issue with people pretending it’s so simple to change to it from Windows, which is just almost never true.
I have an Nvidia card because it was the best option for me at the time I bought it, Valve’s Proton hadn’t matured enough for Linux to even be considered for gaming at that time (other Linux quirks aside). As much as I support FOSS, I love playing a variety of games with friends and that just wasn’t going to be feasible with Linux 5-6 years ago. I wasn’t going to dual-boot when I would end up spending most of my time in Windows anyway and the rest of my time troubleshooting Linux.
Now AMD has released a good card, Proton is really good and Linux has progressed further to where I can seriously consider it. With Windows 10 support ending, I am very likely to jump ship.
Sorry, I was not trying to put words in your mouth. I just usually hear, “Linux not good for me because it doesn’t support my setup well enough” when it should be “Linux not good for me because the manufacturers of my hardware don’t support Linux well enough”. Trying to put blame where it belongs in hopes of raising awareness to both users and manufacturers.
I also mistakenly thought you mentioned a newer Nvidia card when you are considering AMD. 🤦♂️ Good luck in your computing future!
Are they trying to kill windows on purpose?
I don’t know what is going on at Microsoft. I’m starting to think that they are trying to pivot to a completely different business model. In addition to this Windows 11 crap and XBox seemingly being given up on, they appear to be losing their embedded market as well. In the past, if you saw any screen in an industrial setting, there’s a good chance that there was the embedded Windows version behind that screen. Lately, all the new products are moving over to Linux.
What advantage embedded windows gave to a manufacturer for it to be worth paying license fee for? I kinda feel this part is difficult for Microsoft to compete at
It was because developers historically were familiar with Windows and would just default to making a Windows product. You want a POS interface? Your developer is probably going to hand you a .exe and not a .deb. Then your next move is to tell the hardware division to put that .exe into production systems, at which it is too late for the hardware division to argue you just chose the more expensive option without thinking.
This is changing, particularly as many platforms make it trivial to compile for different OSes.
They are, and have said they are.
Subscriptions are the wave of the future.
The sad thing is they know the large majority of users will comply. Most people put familiarity and convenience above their own privacy and general well-being.
Also, I will not be surprised if they audaciously disable Win 10 Home edition for security purposes once end of life is reached.
They already said they are going to charge $30/year for patches. They want recurring revenue from ads in 11 or from you paying yearly for 10.
I’ve still got a windows XP computer that I fire up once in a while for the LOLs. it continues to remind me that support ended in 2014, but it keeps working.
I also have a Windows 8.1 tablet that continues to work, and receive Windows Defender updates.
They won’t disable anything, stop spreading FUD, that’s Microsoft’s job.
The fact that Facebook still exists is proof of this.
Games. Most of the games I play don’t play well with Linux.
I keep a Linux laptop for banking that only connects via ethernet cord while I’m banking. Which is nice, I don’t worry about key loggers now.
Do you play exclusively esports games or something? It’s rare I encounter a title that doesn’t work just fine on Linux. It seems I barely need to tweak any settings anymore.
I do play eSports games
What games do you play? I’ve been gaming exclusively on Linux since Windows 7 went EoS, and especially since the Steam Deck came out, I’ve had very few problems. That said I don’t play competitive stuff, which is what tends to have anti-cheat rootkits.
Yeah. Gaming isn’t the issue for a long time. Productivity is. Rantmode
Proper CAD for Linux? Nonexistent, even worse, some manufacturers intentionally make sure you can’t use a VM either until you massively pay extra.(Looking at you Dassault) FreeCAD is a shitshow (and that is entirely the communities fault) and no professional competitor has shown any incentive - even though there is a increasing market for Linux in some professional capacities. And the current projects to get bottles/wine/etc. to work are maintained by a single guy (bless him) who tried to do it for multiple systems at once and seems to have given up mostly.
Graphic design? While the situation is a little bit better,it’s still a shitshow. No, GIMP and Inkscape are not sufficient replacements for Adobe or even Affinity. They are “good enough” for most things,but they are not nearly ready for production use in any professional capacity.
Office? Yeah. Sadly equally bad. I really really really hate Microsoft and Office. But: They are inherently good at what they do. Not because people get used to it - but because they work. I used LibreOffice since back when it was still StarOffice. (And have used Lotus before that) But we as the open source community still rather fight about ribbons (even though they became the standard everywhere) than get LibreCalc halfway production ready or make proper collaborative working possible. Or get a proper fucking search into thunderbird.
And this is the problem: OSS is so damn up its own ass, that it does not see the bigger picture. We can fight about the kernel allowing Rust, having Ribbons, which is the proper workbench in FreeCAD or about packet managers, distro flavours,etc. In the end what will happen is that the other side will be alienated, excuse themselves from further contributions and, and this is even worse, a lot of possible future contributors will also not contribute. And wow, someone was right and can think he (and it’s almost always a he) thinks he knows the only truth.
While the actual truth is held by the others. The ones that don’t even are bothered by the whole fucking discussing because they make the money, they influence millions and they are the ones setting de facto standards. And yes, that will mean we will need to adapt.
Including adapting market standards. When 95% of the world does a thing “that way”, it’s simply preposterous to claim “your way” is the right way, even it’s for historical reasons. (Easy example: CTRL C / CTRL V)
Same goes for adapting software. If 10% of the development power of Libre Office,GIMP, etc. would have been used to further Wine/Proton to get people to be able to use their industrial standard software we would have seen much much much larger adoption rates,both professionally and for private users.
Because that is literally what happened in gaming. Once Valve basically put massive efforts into allowing Windows games to be played on Linux - and not into developing native Linux games all of a sudden Linux gaming went ahead. Because it is a advantage for your game to work natively and well on a steam deck.
This is even more relevant for production software. If a CEO/CIO has reached a point where his main production software runs on Linux and he has deployed Linux in his company his next software contract for other software will go towards the company who runs better in their environment.
Rant out
(Nothing personal,mate, I just spent the last two days to get fucking CAD to work on Fedora…)
Blender at least has gotten to the point where an indie flick made with it actually won some Oscars and other big awards, so that pretty much put it on the map as a viable Maya or 3DSMax alternative, so there’s that.
Yeah, Blender is one of the few points where it works. QGIS is the other.
Once valve drops better nvidia support into the kernel, and steamos starts coming pre-loaded on laptops and pre-built desktops it’s over for their consumer division.
There’s nothing special about SteamOS. Linux has been available as an option from several manufacturers for years.
What we need to see is a major studio pushing for Linux like valve has been doing.
Imagine if call of duty or fortnite had a Linux promotion to have a penguin hat. That would help
Call of duty is a Microsoft game now.
What we need to see is a major studio pushing for Linux like valve has been doing.
That’s it. That’s literally what makes it special. You, me, and half the fediverse probably aren’t going to use steam os unless maybe we buy a steam deck.
The fact that there’s a multi-billion dollar company throwing money at both it and proton is what makes steam os special. Its what’s going to give Linux a unified brand name that every machine can put on their case badge.
Normal people and the companies that sell them computers need that unified brand name. Why on gods green earth, I don’t fucking know, but I know that they do. Its how you get them to use shit.
There kind of is though. I’m not here to argue it’s enough to unseat windows but it is markedly different
From a technical standpoint it’s just another linux distro with some nice tweaks for gaming but from a human perspective it has brand recognition, familiarity, a known company behind it. Those things do really matter for adoption. No idea if that’d be anywhere near enough, I’m not inclined to make predictions, but it does have explicit advantages over consumers hearing they can get a laptop with Ubuntu or fedora on it
Yeah I agree. I just don’t wanna see more apps made exclusively for the steam deck with SteamOS and winderp. So I feel it’s important to highlight it’s just another Linux distro.
https://youtu.be/5KYQRk_SIB8 this is what pulled my attention to the matter.
That’s very fair! I was concerned by that video too, though I would point out that if I remember right, the games in that video don’t work on non-steamdeck devices including if you install steamos on a laptop or desktop
From my understanding of this video. That’s because they intentionally locked the game to work on the steam deck.
No it’s not, multiplayer games with anticheat that hard-locks you into Windows and productivity software with DRM that hard-locks you into Windows is still a thing, if that were to stop being a thing, then Windows’ dominance on the desktop might finally be threatened, but until then, sadly, no.
Yeah, they probably want to kill it and switch people over to a cloud service with a monthly subscription.
They have done that for years, and every time there is an army of geeks and gamers who look for registry hacks or PowerShell scripts to install Windows anyway. If even those geeks do not want to spend 5 minutes looking for doc on how to install Ubuntu (which is a billion times easier to use than Windows), you can be sure Windows will never die.
I wouldn’t say that, more just abusing a monopoly.
companies do things like this when they feel they have the power in the business/customer relationship and there’s no regulations to stop them.
Even MORE reason not to upgrade!
I really hope the whole shift away from American products will convince more software and game developers to provide native support for Linux. I am approaching the fence.
I’m so glad I finally ditched that shit for good
Is it possible to skip account creation by installing while not connected to the internet?
That’s what they’re disabling now
Nope, you need an internet connection to get past initial setup. Unless you use pro, there you can select to domain join computer instead and it’ll let you create a local account
Ok, so setup a DC (in a VM on your linux laptop), install Win11 joined to that domain, create a local user, then leave the domain & destroy the VM…?
Or install Linux 👍🏻
You don’t have to join a domain, it just skips the Microsoft account login and goes to create a local account
You are wrong for now, it is still possible.
- Ctrl + Shift + F3 during setup gives you access to sysprep
- In an admin CMD you can excecute the BypassNRO.cmd script. In C:\Windows\System32\oobe\
- I have encountered one 24H2 installation where the oobe folder was empty, but if you copy the file from another device it works just the same
- Reboot from sysprep and you can now select “Install without internet” when selecting a WIFI
This will not work if you’re already connected to a wifi. BypassNRO sets a registry flag, so it’s only a matter of time till they patch it out, but it works for now.
Edit: Rufus also allows the creation of a local user when making the installation USB, skipping the entire setup process.
this does not work for Windows HOME edition
Yes it does, a client needed this documentation and I’ve tested it extensively. The only exception is when S-Mode is enabled.
I just deleted my old Mocrosoft account. Forgot I had it until recently.
did you export your skype data?
I haven’t ised Skype since Microsoft bought them.
Any gamers looking to switch, I’ve had a good experience with Bazzite.
I’m much more of a cachyos person in terms of gaming
Windows 11 is enshittfying a feature that let you skip making a Microsoft account
There, FTFY.
It’s not a big deal. They’re removing the bypassnro.cmd script, which is just this:
@echo off
reg add HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\OOBE /v BypassNRO /t REG_DWORD /d 1 /f
shutdown /r /t 0
You can still use shift-F10 at the same point, type those two lines (not the @ECHO OFF), and it will achieve the same result.
Sure, but when are they going to remove that registry option?
Their intention is clear. I wonder for how long this workaround is going to stay.
You’re doing the lord’s work
This forced account shit is infuriating. I’d see students with computers that cannot get to government-provided education sites because they are forced to sign up with a Microsoft account to use their PC, which forced them to setup a child account because of their age and therefore be under a parent account, which means the child account can only use Edge and can only go to whitelisted websites, which blocks some government education sites unless the parent account allows it through which they can’t until the student goes home.
Aren’t the students provided computers?
Here students usually get provided computers and then MS accounts are no problem since they just have to logon with their domain account.
I didn’t know Gentoo was named after a penguin.
Now I want a Chinstrap and a Southern Rockhopper Linux.
Chinstrap Linux haha. It’s like Fedora, but for a totally different demographic.
GalapagOS
I keep thinking of creating Linux BTW…
