The imperial system (of length at least) has a very human basis. An inch is the first joint of your thumb, the foot is your foot, the yard is one step, a stride is two (step left, step right), a mile is 1000 strides. Normal walking speed is about 100 steps a minute, so a mile is about 20 mins of walking
The problem is when they generalized these distances, they apparently used the biggest guy they could find… It still makes sense for rough measurements, but I already use metric for anything small or precise. Or fast - I don’t even know what gravity is in imperial units. Kmph isn’t natural for me, but I think I could get there…I like 60mph being a mile a minute, it helps me estimate, but i could get over it
Weight and volume? I already use metric for everything but my own weight, because screw that nonsense.
Temperature? I’d like something more human scaled for daily use, I’ve tried getting used to it but metric just doesn’t click the same way. I like how Fahrenheit is roughly the livable range - below 0 is intense even with proper attire, and above 100 is dangerous even if you’re adapted to it. It’s not perfect, but maybe something like Celsius*2 for easy translation?
Anything not coming into contact with you, like cooking or cpu temp, would be better in Celsius though - things change around 100C
At the end of the day, I think it just makes sense to have more than one unit of measurement for certain things - one for human scale that is easy to grasp based on our bodies, and one for measurement.
It would be nice to say “I need like 10 feet of hose” and they give you 3.5 meters because it’s understood it’s an estimate, or you say “I need these boards cut to 2.75m” and they know it’s a measurement and give it to you exactly that.
And I would not miss it if volume and weights were metric only - i can’t tell you how many times I’ve converted teaspoons to ml or ounces to grams, maybe it’s because I learned chemistry before cooking but holy crap is that so much more helpful
Boost screenshot, a fine vintage.
Lets
5ml vs 15ml.
- US: 77⁄256 cubic inches vs 0.50 US fl oz (~4.929ml vs ~14.787ml)
- Australia: 5ml vs 20ml
- Rest of World: 5ml vs 15ml
That’s not a spoon, this is a spoon!
tespoons? That’s what tsp means?
Yeah what’d you think it meant, Eugene?
…ten square pounds?
Calzone explodes
Jazz music intensifies
WTF is a square pound!? You’ve ruined my day.
A square pound is when a guidance counselor who thinks he’s still cool goes in for a fist bump and says "pound it "
One pound times one pound, duh.
When you go at it harder than a trash compactor and your partner literally changes shape.
Super selfish reason but as an architect in the US, I deal with nice round imperial numbers all day. Door frames, typically 2”. Standard commercial door, 3’x7’. All the codes are based around imperial too. ADA door width, 3’. Masonry Dimension, every 8 inches. At this point, it would be hard to remember that ADA turning radius is 1525 mm (not the easy 5’…. And yes, I know that’s changing to 67” soon). There are literally hundreds of dimensions I would have to relearn. I suppose it’s probably for the best to switch over and rip that bandaid off, but damn, it would be a headache and take me much longer to review drawings in metric (in the short term).
Just make your drawing in an imperial template and change the unit display when your done.
I assume you would also introduce a new standard with rounded numbers, metric doors are also 200x80 cm for example, and sizes of everything gets rounded in the rest of the world, too. Timber sizes differ a little between north america and the rest of the world, it is a different framework, you’d get used to it.
True, would just have to get accepted by the ICC and all the state legislatures who approve state wide code. I have a feeling it will be difficult to convince some of the less forward thinking states to accept metric codes that take into account the rounding…. Who knows though. I don’t know a ton about that side of things
What does the first letter in “ICC” stand for, again? One would think it ought to already have metric.
All I think about is how much current tooling in manufacturing is made to use those round imperial measurements, and how much it would cost to convert/change them over. That’s possibly the #1 reason why the US will never go metric.
A change like that shouldn’t be done over night, you’d need to go double standard for a while, say 10-20 years depending on the sector. That way you can construct ‘ansi’ buildings while new development is slowly moving to ‘iso’, and machines get the new specs when replaced. Give a heading and industries will slowly adapt.
I was born in the US and have switched by myself. My brother thought I was weird until one day we went to the hardware store.
I needed to buy a 15/64 in drill bit, but they didn’t have it. So then we thought, fine, maybe we can use the next closest size…
…
Except WTF is the next size up or down from 15/64??!!! Neither of us could figure it out. Internet wasn’t great. Sales people didn’t know. We left because we weren’t sure what to buy.
In metric, it’s trivial. 5mm drill bit, 4mm is smaller, 6mm is bigger.
After this, he stopped thinking I was a weirdo for using metric measurements. But he still uses imperial because murica.
Also, interesting, I learned that he thinks imperial units were invented by the US. I told him they were British units and I stopped caring about British units in 1776, but he didn’t seem to believe me.
16/64 is 1/4. Your next size up is a quarter inch. Is it intuitive? Maybe not. Is it really that hard? Only if your educational institutions have also failed you.
Except WTF is the next size up or down from 15/64??!!!
There’s lots of great reasons to switch to metric. Inability to do basic fractions isn’t one of them…
For the record, it would be 16/64, or, 1/4
For the record, it would be 16/64, or, 1/4
Nope! It’d be 6mm, then B gauge (6.045mm), then 1/4" (6.350mm). And that’s not including things like over/under reamers and such.
(Sorry, I’ve been watching too much Blondihacks lately.)
Everyone has trouble with something that’s basic for someone else - we just have different skills. If these fractions are too confusing for a significant minority of people, then that’s a good reason to switch from fractional to decimal.
Except I’m this specific case, it’s about measurements for tools. Fractional is far more practical for construction than decimal for tooling.
But somehow the brother is convinced, despite the fact that they left the hardware store without the bit they needed!
How old is he ? Little kids are hard to convince.
What does he think “imperial” means? “federal”?
To be fair the modern USA is imperialist, we just don’t call it that because imperialism is no longer considered a good thing.
I dunno about tables, but I’ve been known to munch carpet
You’re missing out man, tables taste like those ceiling fan blades but thicker!
Bush for the win.
It’s so nice the US and Liberia are the only two countries to share both Ebola AND the imperial system. They’re buddy buddy.
TBF in practice a lot of countries use the imperial system, from Canada to the UK to Jamaica to the Philippines. They just “use metric” on paper.
Also, here in the Netherlands we use inches for screen sizes and cups for some cooking recipes. I will insist that my monitor is 55cm and even tech people ask me how much that is with full sincerity.
Yes like I certainly measure flour in cups in Canada lol.
I noticed some Canadians seem to use metric exclusively, while others very much use imperial systems through and through. Android defaults to imperial systems when it’s set to Canadian English, which confuses me even more but I suppose imperial must be used a lot, then
I find stuff like cups and spoons and pounds and inches are used here more than metric, but we definitely use kilometers only.
Android lied to me
Maybe it’s a plot by the Australian government because it led me to set all my devices to Australian English; they’re always 100% metric
@lord_ryvan @BonesOfTheMoon, I don’t understand how it can be in the 21st century that a system as idiotic and archaic as the imperial one continues to be used. NASA has already caused millions of dollars in damage by crashing several probes due to miscalculations with these outdated and devoid of any logic measurements, based on parts of the body of a king, dead centuries ago instead of clear physical and mathematical units as in the rest of the world.
I also don’t get it and my country is slowly adapting it too (Netherlands)
I absolutely hate it and try to counter it actively
Myanmar uses imperial as well. At least partially. Or they did when I visited there a few years ago.
Oh I thought they converted. Or were converting. I don’t think they had Ebola though.
Must have, otherwise they wouldn’t use imperial. That’s what it’s for.
The US founded Liberia
So it did. TIL.
At least Raiden should’ve had no issues then
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Distances? These are measured in time
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Hello fellow midwesterner?
Grocery volumes (Milk, dairy products, shampoo, basically anything purchased in a container)? litres.
Meanwhile, here in the US, we’ve got soda in liters but milk in gallons. Udder madness!
Carpentry measurements? Inches.
It amuses me that in metric countries, construction materials like plywood are often standardized to strange non-rounded measurements like 1220 x 2440 x 13mm because it’s actually just 4’ x 8’ x 1/2" in disguise.
Wrenches? whatever fits!
Interestingly, I can’t remember the last time I needed SAE wrenches. Even my old '96 Ford Ranger is metric, I think.
Cars have been all metric since the mid-80s IIRC, to better standardise them for international sales. The Ranger was really a Mazda B-series, so it’s definitely metric.
Please, baking is such a pain in the ass because measurements are never consistent
Right? Cooking is the single area where the American system makes sense. Much more intuitive and you don’t need a kitchen scale.
Using volume is imprecise no matter what units you’re using. Not a big deal for cooking, but for baking, you definitely should use a scale.
Cooking is an art. Baking is a science
I was with someone who eyeballed it. Worked out for a skillet. Then she tried to make bread one night. I warned her but it did not go well
And everything is measured by volume. Just tell me the amount of salt I need in grams and I don’t have to worry about if it’s kosher or not.
You technically only need kosher salt if the recipe involves some of kind of fermentation or yeast rise, because the iodine in non-kosher salt will kill the yeast before it can rise.
That’s why making a preferment like poolish is a superior method for any bread recipe. You only add salt once the poolish has finished the leavening process.
But every recipe from the US uses kosher salt, which means their measurements don’t match for other salts, but if they gave the weight it wouldn’t be an issue. 5g of salt is 5g of salt no matter the size of the crystals, but one teaspoon can be totally different.
inconsistent flour hydration and packing density has entered the chat
Sure it is
You can teaspoon the shit out of everything. 3tsp to a table. 5ml to 15ml. Cut recipes by turning everything into a tablespoon. Need to make 1/2 of something that is already 1/4 cup? That’s 16 tbsp to a cup, so you were at 4, now half a 1/4 cup is simply 2 tbsp
For dry shit, get a gram scale and welcome to consistency city
I didn’t know the conversion for tbsp to cups, that’s super helpful!
Google assistant has gotten worse and worse but “Hey Google, how many tablespoons are in x” is pretty helpful
Or use DuckDuckGo
Or use the terminal app
qalc, which converts and calculates with everything!Does that plug into assistant speakers?
I’m not a massive fan of it but hands free cooking questions are nice. I use DDG for my browser search
I’m sure some open hardware hacker could get DuckDuckGo or
qalcto work through their home-soldered voice-controlled assistant.But other than that, no. For what it’s worth, I spend 2 to 3 seconds for each conversion through the terminal when preparing a recipe, or about 15 seconds unlocking my phone and looking it up in DDG on the spot
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!cico@lemmy.world feels this in their soul
Yeah man, can’t believe some recipes go to 11.
Can’t they just make the 10 higher?
Yeah but these ones go to 11
Any baking recipe that doesn’t list all measurements by weight belongs in the trash.
mfw I finally find someone else who writes “250gr water” in their cooking notes
Fortunately water is the easiest thing to convert.
Seriously. Many ingredients are different depending on if they’re packed, scooped, or sifted. 1 cup of brown sugar can be very different than another cup.
I tried this with cocoa powder before, as I’ve seen some people in cooking videos shake the cocoa in the cup, and shake the cup to flatten it. And others scoop the cocoa with a spoonand flatten it with the spoon to fill the cup.
The second method yielded over 1.6 times the amount of cocoa powder!
That would only work for substances with a density of 1
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And eggs.
How long is that thing?
A foot.
How long is that?
About as long as a foot.
Oh cool, I have two of those to compare right here. Thanks for telling me how long stuff is in an easy to understand way.
What about that thing?
30 centimeters.
How long is a centimeter?
A hundredth as long as a meter.
How long is a meter?
As long as the distance light can travel in a vacuum in 1/299752458 of a second.
Please throw yourself off a bridge for using bizarre measurements developed by frenchmen.
Actually that’s a modern measurement concept based on the original meter. By using this concept, the size of a meter is tied to absolute terms in physics that “anyone” could measure with the right tools, while the original concept was based on a physical object called the meter, which is subject to many things such as heat dilation for example making it not accurate, and if the original object was lost we would not have a way to tell what is a meter (conceptually speaking of course).
The foot on the other hand (lol) is traditionally based on the king’s foot size. This of course depends on which country (or realm?), and to make matters worst, who’s the king at the time, because yes the official measure would change based on that too.
Of course that’s not how it is today, but we can say the original foot was lost long ago.
Ditto for the original meter. We sure are lucky that an approximation of the measurement is built into the name of the foot. It’s frighteningly European to have a measurement name that roughly translates to “measure”
Hey, how many measures is that?
honestly curious, as someone that doesn’t intuitively know how long a foot (in terms of measure) is, does it actually compare to the average size of the average foot? Like if you say something is 2 feet long, can you actually walk 2 steps and that’s a pretty good approximation?
Its a tad low if you’re barefoot, frighteningly close when you have shoes on. For men’s average shoe sizes.
It’s a man’s man’s man’s foots world.
Whose foot? Chances are yours isn’t even a good approximation.
Jokes aside, there isn’t even such a thing as foot anymore. All these idiotic measurement units like feet and elbows have thankfully been deprecated and are now simply a name for a certain amount of civilized units. Foot is exactly 0.3048 meters since 1959.
Whose foot?
Let’s go with Ariana Grande’s foot. The whole Ariana Grande is already used as a unit of measurement, so this will make the conversions easier.
0.9144 m is 3 feet
TY. I refuse to use idiotic units to such degree, my brain didn’t even flinch at completely wrong number I copy/pasted.
+/- 20% is good enough for e6 and covers the overwhelming majority of men’s foot lengths.
For making a measurement without a tool +/-20% should be fine.
It’s all fun and games, but I take issue with calling metric “civilized units”. Human civilization developed all kinds of units appropriate to the work being done and calling the ones defined almost in defiance of everyday use the civilized ones is absurd.
Being able to easily convert between various units makes the metric system the only one worth considering civilized.
Every time I see a wrench labeled with some insane fraction like 18/32 my eye starts twitching. I honestly cannot tell which size is bigger without dividing and converting to decimal.
Human civilization developed all kinds of dumb shit we’ve since discarded. Please let’s discard the idiotic units in my lifetime.
I think you mean a 9/16. It’s be pretty crazy to see one labeled 18/32.
When you wanna make fun of sae use an odd number on top so no one can make fun of you for not reducing your fractions like a fourth grader. Or so you whip out 9/12 and get elementary school math mogged anyway.
How is it easier to convert between units under metric? I don’t have any use for a kilogram length of lumber or a meter of gasoline. What unit conversions are you doing?
Nah, my ruler has cm on one side and inches on the other. The side with inches actually, unironically, lists 1/8 through 7/8 in each inch, including 2/8, 4/8 and 6/8!
It’s not @dagad@lemmy.world who is being dumb, the Imperial system is.
I can’t see what you described the sae side as because of a word filter, but I can guarantee a worse pejorative was used for people who chose that ruler on a job or worse, were assigned it in shop class. I think there’s a not for dumb people use for the unreduced scale but for the life of me I just can’t think of it.
Is that really the complaint, that people don’t wanna do fractions?
I called it dumb with stronger wording, but that was unnecessary and I’ve updated my comment to be more clear.
And yes, among many other reasons. The main complaint is that the systems uses many different conversions internally; 12 inch in a foot, 72 points in an inch, 3 feet in a yard, an arbitrary amount of yards in a landmile, and slightly more at sea… I understand this wasn’t designed deliberately, that imperial is really just 3 measurement systems in a trench coat. But that’s exactly the problem.
But also yes, I’d rather do 9 mm or1 cm, than 3/8 inch
I personally fucking hate ounces. Recipes could mean volume or weight.
They could but let’s be realistic. Anyone who uses volume for recipes is a moron.
And now we’ll add a pound of milk
And Celsius? And 24 hour time?
We use 24 h format here where I live but we speak in 12 h format because it’s less awkward. Not all that shines is gold, I guess
I use 24h in speech, it trips up some people a little but they all understand and I’ve gotten a few to switch!
My native language is Dutch, but I to give an example I say “vijftien uur” for 15:00 / 3pm and “vijtien uur dertig” for 15:30 / 3:30pm. My closest English equivalents would be “fifteen oʼclocm” and “fifteen thirty”, really.
My point is, make the tiniest possible step, only replace the number of the hour with the 24h variant and drop the am/pm part.
Computer, wake me up at zero six hundred hours!
That’s absurd, we just say “wake me up at six hours” and it understands us.
And “wake me up at 18 oʼclock” for the pm variant.
And “wake me up at 18 oʼclock” for the pm variant.
“At six” works in 24 hour time too.
What’s awkward about it?
If we are doing this, shouldn’t we go straight to Kelvin? So we no longer have to deal with negative temperatures
So water freezes at 273 degrees and boils at 373? No thank you
Yes please
