Update:
The comments from this post will not be removed as to preserve the discussion around the announcement. Any continued discussions outside of this thread that violate server rules will be removed. We feel that everyone that has an opinion, and wanted to vent, has been heard.
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Original post:
Yesterday, we received information about the planned federation by Hexbear. The announcement thread can be found here: https://www.hexbear.net/post/280770. After reviewing the thread and the comments, it became evident that allowing Hexbear to federate would violate our rules.
Our code of conduct and server rules can be found here.
The announcement included several concerning statements, as highlighted below:
- “Please try to keep the dirtbag lib-dunking to hexbear itself. Do not follow the Chapo Rules of Posting, instead try to engage utilizing informed rhetoric with sources to dismantle western propaganda. Posting the western atrocity propaganda and pig poop balls is hilarious but will pretty quickly get you banned and if enough of us do it defederated.”
- “The West’s role in the world, through organizations such as NATO, the IMF, and the World Bank - among many others - are deeply harmful to the billions of people living both inside and outside of their imperial core.”
- “These organizations constitute the modern imperial order, with the United States at its heart - we are not fooled by the term “rules-based international order.” It is in the Left’s interest for these organizations to be demolished. When and how this will occur, and what precisely comes after, is the cause of great debate and discussion on this site, but it is necessary for a better world.”
The rhetoric and goal of Hexbar are clear based on their announcement: to “dismantle western propaganda” and "demolish organizations such as NATO” shows that Hexbar has no intention of "respecting the rules of the community instance in which they are posting/commenting.” It’s to push their beliefs and ideology.
In addition, several comments from a Hexbear admin, demonstrate that instance rules will not be respected.
Here are some examples:
“I can assure you there will be no lemmygrad brigades, that energy would be better funneled into the current war against liberalism on the wider fediverse.”
“All loyal, honest, active and upright Communists must unite to oppose the liberal tendencies shown by certain people among us, and set them on the right path. This is one of the tasks on our ideological front.”
- https://lemmy.world/comment/121850
- https://lemmy.world/comment/1487168
- https://lemmy.world/comment/1476084
- https://lemmy.world/comment/171595
- https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3648500
Overall community comments:
- https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3526128
- https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3526086
- https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3652828
To clarify, for those who have inquired about why Hexbear versus Lemmygrad, it should be noted that we are currently exploring the possibility of defederating from Lemmygrad as well based on similar comments Hexbear has made.
- https://lemmygrad.ml/post/158656
- https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/882559
- https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/540170
- https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/446529
Defederation should only be considered as a last resort. However, based on their comments and behavior, no positive outcomes can be expected.
We made the decision to preemptively defederate from Hexbear for these reasons. While we understand that not everyone may agree with our decision, we believe it is important to prioritize the best interests of our community.
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I appreciate the thought that went into this decision and I think this is an example of defederating being a good idea.
Defederation/Banning in the name of containing “different viewpoints” is just Reddit all over again
I guess lemmy.world really is like reddit.
Disappointing as fuck. You’re defedarating based on ideological differences and a guess that they won’t engage in good faith? And you’re reaching that paltry conclusion after cherry picking posts?
Not to mention the posts you’ve shared aren’t bad at all? They’re literally asking their users to engage properly in a civil manner.
Big yikes man.
Their instance also seems to be offline.
The URL is https://hexbear.net. They haven’t federated yet.
Not a big fan of cherry-picking posts and comments to pre-emptively defederate because of opposing ideals.
This opinion comes from knowing nothing at all about hexbear prior to this post.
I am also unsure about lemmygrad, as although I dislike the instance, (and a few parts of db0 as well) I do agree with defederation being an extreme option.
unrelated note
I am concerned about the defederation system as a whole, as an instance could defederate with all but the most extreme left/right wing instances, causing an extreme echo chamber to develop. (albeit only on lemmy)
What happened to “defederating should always be a last resort”?
Hexbear is probably the most inclusive major instance. We’re the only instance with mandatory pronoun tags. And yet we get defederated before we have a chance, while Exploding-Heads got to stay federated for so long? Our admins even went out of their way to make things easy for you, too. Did you even talk to them?
Is it not possible we just have a social media platform where we talk abouts hobbies and computers and not evangelise our political beliefs?
Lemmy is a bit shit, isn’t it. That’s a shame.
“Are you now or have you ever been a member of hexbear.net, or a fellow traveler?”
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You must not have seen the post in question.
The entire thing was directly, openly planning to go to other instances and intentionally disrupt them. Idgaf what their beliefs are, you get defederated for that. It’s bullshit.
Seriously, go wade through the comments over there. They’re gederating specifically to fuck up everyone else.
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Please read and respect the rules of the community instance in which you are posting/commenting. Please try to keep the dirtbag lib-dunking to hexbear itself. Do not follow the Chapo Rules of Posting, instead try to engage utilizing informed rhetoric
You have been proven wrong by quotes and logic!
Literally a commenter on one of the linked posts:
yeah lol. I might start farming up a few accounts at the new non-overloaded instances that are popping up. Don’t need to register at beehaw itself to bug their libs. maybe somewhere has open registration
Edit to say: I support the defederation.
This single user’s plan does even involve using Hexbear. Lemmy.world would have to defederate from all other instances to prevent this person from trolling.
Did you look at the posts? It’s all over the comments! Would you like some more examples for your edification?
I mean, I haven’t been banned yet, and theres plenty of tankies floating around. Lemmy.world is pretty lax as I can tell.
Yeah, it seems like we’re now losing out on 20k people to interact with which seems a shame.
wait, so it really is just ideological? Like, y’all don’t ban users who come into lemmygrad to specifically troll communists on ideological grounds, but when hexbear tells its users to engage in good faith you defed them? what the hell?
Edit: Like honestly this is kinda gross, they specifcally try and smooth things out and make things easier for your admins so you don’t have to deal with a flood of hexbear users spamming PPB everywhere and you just use it as evidence to defederate lol
Tells their users to follow the rules = it’s a ruse, they’re trolls
Tells their users to troll = see, they’re trolls!
Says nothing = they aren’t even trying to stop their users from trolling
This is what we call an unfalsifiable orthodoxy.
Honestly, I don’t mind this considering the examples given.
Personally, I’d rather just block the stuff I don’t like rather than have lemmy.world trying to decide “who’s worthy of federation”.
