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If a company is paying competitive wages then when an employee quits it isn’t because of pay.
If a company is paying low wages it will probably be because of the pay that a person quits, because there is nothing to keep them putting up with the bs that EVERY COMPANY HAS.
I’ve left a dozen or so jobs over my entire life. One because the job was eliminated, five or six because school was starting/ending, one because the manager was a prick, and the rest exclusively because I was offered more money.
No, no! You silly, he meant to raise the pay to the ping pong table! He wanted a bigger one!
Chants for your next strike action:
- “Our CEO’S a DING DONG, WE JUST WANT THE PING PONG!!!”
- “Hey hey! ho ho! Give us balls and paddles or we’re going to go! Hey hey! Ho ho!”
- “The workers without ping pong, will never work the day long!”
- “The people with no paddles, will never be your chattel!”
- “backhands, forehands, we don’t need your labels, the only thing we need are fucking ping pong tables!”
This totally doesn’t look like something fake with its lack of source or context that was just made to spark rage, not at all
If definitely seen shit like this on menial job applications in the past. Typically as pary of a “personality test” that tries to root out commies. USA obv
Hey I want a raise as much as the next guy but to be honest the title is kinda wrong. Capitalism has existed since the start when humans started trading each other, so you can’t really be indoctrinated like you can with communism.
Communism has been around since animals started working collectively toward the good of the group.
idk guy im pretty sure it was transactional but it’s cool I’m just glad we are done with history.
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It is pretty simple. Respect your employees and they will respect you. Respect starts with valuing the employee’s contributions by paying them a fair wage. It continues with treating them well. A way of treating them well might be a point ping table, but that comes on top of a fair wage, not instead of.
A good manager might recognise a hard working team needs a way to relax and gets a pool table or something. The employees are happy and tell their friends they’ve got a pool table at work, everyone is jealous. It seems like the pool table is the reason but it is just a symptom of them being generally treated well.
I wonder if this is how this whole trend started: some decent manager recognized their hard working well-paid and taken care of team deserved some extra something, got them a pool table or whatnot, then other shittier companies copied this thinking it was a solution in itself without understanding why the thing was installed in the first place
This has to be a joke or satire, right?
perfectly maps to startups selling working at a startup as “we’re a family”, “you’re a googler”, etc. give them a ping pong table and free beer on fridays and you can pay considerably less.
As a professional in this field, top reasons would be…
- Dissatisfaction with pay
- Limited/No career progression
- Dissatisfaction with environment/culture
- Dissatisfaction with management
- Poor work-life balance
- Poor job design/expectations of role
- Poor taining quality/knowledge management
- Inadequate tools/systems
Edit: I should also point out we have about half a dozen ping-pong tables scattered around my work and our turnover figures were bang on average for annual benchmarking against the sector. I consider the average too high, though, and will be targeting better retention over this year. We’ll need at least double the amount of ping-pong tables.
you really a pro, I’m looking for other jobs precisely because of 1 and 2, even though the rest are all great at my current job
Obviously right? I mean this post is definitely a joke
What field?
Strategic Workforce Planning. It’s a bit different to HR in that there’s a lot of data analysis. Typically we would use data to identify retention issues (reasons, areas, seasonality, etc) and figure out how to improve it. We’d then hand that over to HR to
implementfuck up.
So ping pong table falls under the third point right? More ping pong = more fun = better culture? Right? /s just for clarity
Very correct. You can solve bad culture by throwing more money at the problem. Preferably all at once with zero maintenance budget or governance so that the amenities in question can become non-functional monuments to your superior culture. Future generations will find these and marvel at your ingenuity from the safety of the water cooler.
I don’t see pizza party or ping pong table on that list so you’re obviously not a professional.
A real professional knows employees want pizza parties instead of higher pay and they want more responsibilities with the same pay!
:P
Pizza party solves everything!!
Or…a lemon party!
But I have no money and lemons are expensive! If only there was a way we could acquire lemons without paying for them… Anyone know where I could find a lemon tree?
Consult our mutual friend, the Lemon Stealing Whore
I don’t want your damn lemons! What am I supposed to do with these?
Make lemonade, obviously
Make some kind of lemon powered rocket launcher and force life to take it’s lemons back!
Almost all of these applied to the last job I left, so I guess it’s pretty spot on.
There’s some new research that shows raising pay is not great for retention. Studies say it’s better to take that money and put it into a long-term benefit line a pension, profit sharing, while life insurance with a cash out value, etc.
Raises and bonuses had about a 3-month effect.
That seems highly suspect.
Was this research sponsored by the association for research into golden parachuting out of a pillaged company?
My top reasons for leaving a job:
- Too little pay
- Too many responsibilities
- The possibility of career progression
The three Big Nos. My optimal work-life balance is 0.1-99.9. If they trust me to be able to do even one thing, that pay better be huge.
Was “A ping pong table and enough free time in my schedule to actually use it for half an hour on a quiet day without the area manager coming in and demanding that we get back to work” too long?
Ill stay at an average paying job with a great culture, over a shitty culture and more money. But only to a point.
As a capitalist I don’t understand why it wouldn’t be about the money
In my experience, they’re thinking 20-30 cents per hour. And yah, that’s never enough to change someone’s mind. 20-30% that could make a difference, but it’s way too much for them to ever concider.
They’ll consider it if they know someone else is willing to pay it. I got headhunted a couple years ago by a place willing to pay me 50% more than I made to work remotely doing generally the same thing I was already doing in-office. There were more responsibilities, though, so I wanted to stick with my current job if I could get them to match the offer. I took it to my boss, and he agreed to match the pay, and even talked the CEO into letting me work remotely when they otherwise have a pretty strong push toward in-office work.
Now I get paid more than my own supervisor while working a pretty cushy job in my pajamas.
Congratulations 😄
That’s awesome! It’s nice to know it works out sometimes. Congrats!
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share this with workreform. they’ll love it. I would link but forgot how
If they put a ping pong table anywhere within earshot of my desk I’m going apeshit
