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This is true but still not the right answer… it’s not always about the money
IT’S ABOUT THE METS BABY, LET’S GO METS, GONNA GET A HOMERUN, LOVE THE METS! LET’S GO METS!
Now give me a raise so I can afford to see the METS BABY YEAH THE METS
You got it buddy! A big raise cause you’re gonna want to get hotdogs and beer baby!
It is pretty simple. Respect your employees and they will respect you. Respect starts with valuing the employee’s contributions by paying them a fair wage. It continues with treating them well. A way of treating them well might be a point ping table, but that comes on top of a fair wage, not instead of.
A good manager might recognise a hard working team needs a way to relax and gets a pool table or something. The employees are happy and tell their friends they’ve got a pool table at work, everyone is jealous. It seems like the pool table is the reason but it is just a symptom of them being generally treated well.
I wonder if this is how this whole trend started: some decent manager recognized their hard working well-paid and taken care of team deserved some extra something, got them a pool table or whatnot, then other shittier companies copied this thinking it was a solution in itself without understanding why the thing was installed in the first place
This reminds me of the Simpson episode where they are negotiating a new contract. It’s the same as the old one expect the they replace the dental plan with a keg of beer.
Season 4 Episode 17 “Last Exit to Springfield” .
Lisa needs braces
Dental plan
Lisa needs braces
Dental plan
drops a pencil in your crack
I doubt most people leave because of a lack of ping-pong table.
Surprised it didn’t go full dystopian and say “pizza party.”
I thought this was chatgpt for a second because I didn’t want to believe anyone but ai could be this tone deaf. then I remembered humans and got depressed
Of course, nobody with two brain cells to rub together who reads that answer is sitting there thinking to themselves, “Huh… I guess I’ve had it wrong all this time, focusing so much on money.” Rather, they’re instinctively blurting out, “Yeah right – I call bull!”
But I’ll give them partial credit; frequently it’s about money. Sometimes, it’s just about a work environment that used to be great going to crap. And sometimes, it’s about the employee coming to an epiphany, and realizing that their work environment was actually crap all along.
That said, it may be true that not every job that I’ve ditched was entirely because of money… but it should go without saying that it’s always a factor in where I went for the next job. Also, it’s never the only factor – but it’s certainly one of the more significant ones.
Please stop posting the same thing in different communities. It was obnoxious on Reddit and it is obnoxious on here too.
Just because you follow overlapping communities doesn’t mean everybody else does. As long as the post follows the community policies, there’s no problem with posting the same content to multiple appropriately-themed communities.
Bruh. I only posted it one community which I was advised to do so by others. The others are other people sharing this in other communities. There’s nothing wrong with sharing posts, in fact it can help people find other communities they might like.
When I worked at a soul-crushing insurance job, we were given an event where the bosses served us pancakes. That was right after we were forced to celebrate bosses’ day and watch our bosses open gifts that the suck-ups got them. I was able to quit without notice shortly after and it felt so goddamn good.
🌍👨🏻🚀 🔫👨🏽🚀
Wild. They both “might” help. They both cost the company money. They should both be correct.
In fact all three are valid answers. Cruel manipulation as it is, additional even uncompesated responsibilities often do drive retention as people are invested too deep and too stressed out to consider switching or find time for the process.
Wtf are you talking about? Employees work office jobs 9 to 5 because they love to work. Like all good employee’s. Heck, if they weren’t getting paid they’d still the work for free because they love it so much. It’s only out of the pure goodness of my heart that I decide to pay them minimum wage/s
The only thing that makes less sense than your comment is people upvoting it.
Morale and pay are both factors, your sarcastic comment makes it seem like you believe everyone only cares about pay and nothing else…
Some people make good money, so that’s not their primary motivation when picking a job.
It’s obviously sarcasm…
Maybe that’s why I said it was sarcastic?
Someone can be sarcastic and still not make a point…
What exactly do you think sarcasm is?
If needing to pay for basic necessities weren’t a factor in people getting jobs, I highly doubt the majority of people would work the kinds of jobs of today. I don’t know a single person who is excited to go into their retail job and deal with shitty customers all day or sit in a bland cubicle all day making spreadsheets that nobody really cares about.
I know more people who would much rather devote their time to learning and playing instruments, or making something with their own hands, or writing stories, or spending time raising their families.
Not everyone works entry level retail jobs…
And some people already make enough to live comfortably…
Which is why I said that.
Some people make good money, so that’s not their primary motivation when picking a job
I now completely understand why something as stupid as what I replied to got upvoted tho.
Have fun here
sit in a bland cubicle all day making spreadsheets that nobody really cares about.
I actually enjoy making those spreadsheets. I wouldn’t do it for free though.
Hey if that’s your jam go for it, personally I’d like to live in a world where someone can elect to do that sort of work and not have to worry and stress about housing, food, bills etc or take on that kind of work despite hating it in order to put food on the table.
You clearly missed “/s” at the end of his post, OR you don’t know what it means.
It’s funny how many people are telling me I missed the sarcasm when I literally said it was sarcasm…
your sarcastic comment makes it seem like you believe everyone only cares about pay and nothing else…
Someone can attempt sarcasm and still fuck it up bud
Agreed, but the above comment is not one of those times. Just admit you missed it and go on with life. Nice edit with both comments, lulz
When you edit on Lemmy it resets how long ago the comment was made…
If I edited it, your reply to me would show a newer timestamp…
No idea why so many people in this sub have no clue what they’re talking about, but it looks like I’m just blocking the whole thing
And when you edit within a minute of a reply that was made within a minute of your comment nothing changes. Just suck it up and admit you missed it, dude.
They work because they’re family, right? Not for money.
share this with workreform. they’ll love it. I would link but forgot how
It’s true that it’s not always about the money, but it’s probably never about a ping pong table
I was at my last job for 10 years.
If I had been well paid and treated well I would not have ever started that job search. Further even just having one of those two thing might have kept me from looking.
At that job I hit the tipping point of both. It’s was getting shittier everyday and the pay wasn’t budging year after year. Finally mid-Covid the power flipped to the employee and jobs were much easier to get. I started looking and jumped shipped.
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Most places that have HR like this work their employees too hard for them to have time to use a ping pong table anyway, so it’s really just a hollow gesture.
A company I used to work for had a fucking arcade of all sorts of video games, I NEVER saw anyone playing them
It’s always about autonomy, one way or another. People want to be able to control how they work and what they can get out of it. For some that does mean more money, for some it would mean less stress, for others it could means less meetings.
It’s pretty easy for management to address all of it by just giving people more power over what their work lives are like, but that could mean less control over their workforce. No “owner” wants that, to them, they own their employees’ time/work life.
It is if you’re managing an Olympic ping pong team
Indeed.
It’s telling that “basic dignity” or “managers who aren’t dicks” didn’t make the list.
Yeah. In my experience, “A manager who doesn’t suck” is most of the list.
Source: I’ve been the manager who did suck, and the one who doesn’t. I have some data points.
Well, hypothetical speaking, if there were two completely absolutely identical jobs, but the one had a ping pong table. I might choose the one without and ask them to get a Foosball table, since I’m no good at ping pong.
It also depends on whether it’s about a pingpong table in the office, or whether I get one for at home and we’re talking a fully remote job.
Getting a free pingpong table isn’t a bad bonus! I’d prefer a decent crokinole board though, tbh
It’s a bad bonus if you don’t have space for a ping pong table. Speaking from experience, I got a free ping pong table for Christmas once…
Same here. In the past 5 years, it’s seen maybe 10 games, and a whole lot of laundry.
What is Crokinole?
Shut up and sit down has a video where they rave about it. It’s a dexterity game that uses a large board and sliding pieces.
It seems simplistic, but it is genuinely amazing to paly.
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I’m cannot deny that “where should we mail your crokinole board?” would work on me.
I’m all about the air hockey table.
If they put in any kind of clackball table, I’m demanding noise canceling headphones and my own office.
I wanted a foosball table dammit!
That’s the game of the debil!!!
Damnit Bobby what did I tell you about foosball!
Dammit, you beat me to it!
It’s not ever not about the money around 0% of the times.
Eh. Toxic work culture can drive people away regardless of the pay. Obviously some people suck it up but not everyone. Ultimately the goal is to treat employees well all around. Good pay, benefits, and work culture will keep people happy.
My employer really covered their bases. We have ping-pong, pool, and foosball. That guarantees that everyone has something that will keep them from quitting.
Ping pong tables are loud as fuck and disrupt the whole office. If they invest in a soundproof room to put it in, sure. Otherwise it just makes you feel like a massive douche.
Especially if your coworkers play like pros.
Thwack
thwack thwack
Thwack
My last job had a pingpong table. We’d even use it occasionally. That is, until people started getting pissy when they’d see us playing pingpong. Then management started bitching that we were playing pingpong instead of working. Eventually, nobody was allowed to use the pingpong table - it just sat there, in the middle of the room, with brand new paddles and packs of balls that we weren’t allowed to use.
The money was okay - not great, but not terrible. After some management fuckery, I left for a $10000/yr raise and 100% work from home. I’ve gone up $20K since then, been promoted to senior, still have upward trajectory, and still work 100% from home. I have a desk in Memphis somewhere, but I’ve never actually seen it.
This
I once worked at a place with a ping pong table. I got a lot of ugly stares from managers if I actually tried to use it, so it was mostly left alone.
Now whenever I see jobs that list something like that as a perk, I usually see it as a negative.
I interviewed once for a part-time job at a potential startup, and the two people running it spent 75% of the time talking about how they had a pingpong table and how that meant it was a fun company…
The job wouldn’t be in the office tho, so for my position (and pretty much every employee) would only be able to use it off the clock.
They were very excited about the ping pong table tho, because their job was in office and they played a lot.
I didn’t take the job.
And the startup never opened.
I’ve worked in at a smaller startup with a ping pong table and my anecdote is we were all obsessed with ping pong. So their excitement could really be genuine. It’s not always a ruse.
You are a wise man, keep it up
A ping pong table? What for? So HR can punish you when you use it?
seriously，who has time to use a ping pong table at work? It’s like a decoration to remind you you’re not having fun.
This is so true, and I don’t even have a pingpong table at work
Where do you live, where taking breakes is frowned upon? That’s crazy.
Here in Denmark, I’m being reminded to take breakes and go home. I have been asked if I’m sure it’s not hurting my work/life balance, before getting overtime approved.
It’s also common to stay at work after hours to hang out, if there’s a nice place to do that.
this sounds like a sci-fi novel
Same in my office in the UK, I got asked if I was not taking enough breaks or doing work outside of work hours as I was doing more than they expected and my manager was worried about me burning out, but having a chill atmosphere and a nice place to hang out and chill in the office just means that I can be more productive and happier at work so it’s a win-win… A lot of HR types don’t realise that it takes a nice office in both material and culture to make people productive and just go for the former which has the lower effect of the two when used alone.
Every shitty company in France is like this. And I’ve seen a lot like that.
Listen, speaking as an American, we know Danes have better quality of life, but we’ll be damned if we will sacrifice capitalism to get there! Our motto is “if you’re not working, you’re losing money!” That only applies to the lower ranks, of course.
Seriously tho, I would love to live in a society that expects companies to hold the well-being of their employees over profits (not that these two are mutually exclusive), and the culture is changing slowly, but we’re not there yet.
Denmark is capitalist. High investment rates are literally their biggest internal economic driver.
from Wikipedia:
The labour market is traditionally characterized by a high degree of union membership rates and collective agreement coverage.
Well, there’s the problem. Our capitalists say that’s stupid, they’ll just lose money!
I’m a capitalist and unions are dope. The two are clearly not incompatible.
Let’s get union reform like these countries too
I agree. I wish more capitalists in charge did!
Exactly, that’s the thing. Here in Denmark, many (most?) companies think that happy workers are more productive.
I might be colored by mostly working in places where it’s very expensive to replace an employee, but then again, for Americans I mostly talk with people in a similar kind of job.
That’s nice and all, but staying after hours to hang out sounds awful. I don’t want to befriend those losers, I want to get on with my life. They can all rot in hell for all I care, I’d sell them out in a heartbeat.
That’s fine, I can’t expect everybody to like that kind of stuff.
But it’s still important to have that for those that do. And of course that people more like you, get what you want.
My guess is USA or UK
Source: live in USA. Taking breaks is seen as being lazy. As is taking days off when your sick.
I’ve been told multiple times to take more sick leave.
Usually when I come back from sick leave, I’ve been told I should have taken a day more to recover fully. But after days in bed, I just really want to start doing something, even if I’m tired.
Ok, calm down there, commie. Maybe you’d better go check in with your “family” and your “adequate housing”. The rest of us are here to make money… For other people.
Come over to America! A magical place where you are only worth the money you make for your corporate overlords, and despite being told by your boss that they are SO glad that they hired you, your performance review is a 3/5 because they don’t want you getting too comfortable and “there’s always room for improvement!”
Ah, here it’s very different. In multiple companies I’ve gotten consistent 5/5 and told by my own manager that I should really get a promotion, but they can’t give me promotion or even a raise. Just the 1-2% salary adjustment everybody gets.
Feels so good… 🙄
You guys get 1-2% salary adjustments?!?
At least for me in IT, everybody usually gets an adjustment that’s on average above inflation. So if you work the same place for ten years without ever getting a raise, you still keep up with inflation.
I think my lowest was 0% and my highest almost 3%. Some years slightly below inflation, but in any 3 year period I think I’ve been above inflation.
Then any raise is on top of that.
I know that the American capitalism thing is a meme at this point, but working in software, every company I’ve worked for isn’t against you taking breaks or doing whatever as long as things get done. I’ve played foosball with my VP during normal hours before, and it was slightly awkward but good fun.
The usual issue I see in my industry is that you constantly accumulate more responsibilities without any corresponding increase in pay. It’s especially bad for morale when you see someone leave, and their responsibilities get distributed to the team, but no one gets any part of the old person’s salary as a raise to make up for the added responsibilities even when the higher ups refuse to hire a replacement since you’re all clearly handling it fine.
You can only enjoy the perks during your 45 minute lunch break. Food or fun, your choice …
