There are a lot of GOP-controller legislatures in the USA pushing through so-called “child protection” laws, but there’s a toll in the form of impacting people’s rights and data privacy. Most of these bills involve requiring adults to upload a copy of their photo ID.
Governments should never stop into the role of a parent.
What if the parents can’t step in?
Then some teenagers learn what sex looks like a little earlier.
They they shouldn’t be parents.
What should happen when what shouldn’t happen happens?
If the alternative to a child has a bad parent, is everyone gets the government as a parent. I would rather take the former and not the latter
Then bad things happen. The government controlling the raising of children has a much worse consequences.
Or won’t. There are a lot of very bad parents out there.
Usually when politicians says “to protect children”, it’s not about children.
When politicians talk about protecting children they’re really talking about dismantling the nuclear family.
I’ve started looking at porn on the internet at 8 or 9 years old, and nothing bad happened to me.
I understand why the law says that porn is for 18+ only, but that’s it. The access shouldn’t be restricted. It’s the parents’ role to stop kids from going on those websites, if any.
Nothing bad happened to you doesn’t mean the same for others. There are all kinds of horror stories regarding pre-adult children on the topic
I’ve never heard one. Can you point me to an example?
I thought we already had a flawless system for this where you put in your birthday.
Where are all my Jan 1 1970 friends at?
Ah yes, the birth of time itself
It was an emotional moment for me when I reverted all my fake DOBs to my real one since I turned 18
My first problem is that the GOP wants to have people’s private vital information freely given to them and that people would be required to comply. Tying that information to activities of consenting adults will be misused. Blue noses can’t keep their noses in their own business, and the possibility for graft and blackmail is immense.
When did the GOP start to care about children, anyway?
The GOP has always cared about sex
Ahh I see the strategy. Put out this trafficking movie, hype dems as pedos (and commies) and stir up a whole terd of doo doo. Classic.
I’m not uploading my ID to shit.
as a zoomer who had access to porn at a young age, that shit was not good for me at all. i think it’s pretty fair to suggest that people below the age of 13 should not be looking at porn - but i wouldn’t even know how one could even go about actually regulating it
Children get their own internet. If they get in adult internet, then they get juvenile detention and a criminal file, their parents are arrested for child endangerment and child services take over.
And anyone complaining about what is on the internet gets an helicopter ride to the deep sea from 10’000 feet.
Children get their own internet
Which adults, if any, would moderate the children’s internet?
Some extremely restrictive AI and all children provided inputs would not be visible without heavy filtering and anonymization. In fact children’s general ability to express themselves in this children internet would be massively curtailed.
Watch the kids internet have a dark web “made by kids, for kids”
Where a kid can be a kid
This could work 🤔
it’s my belief that if you try to shield your children from the evils of the world, you will invariable fail and they’ll be unprepared for the world itself once they leave the nest. not saying that you shouldnt try to enact parental controls on their devices, just that you’ll fail.
also, not sure how the government is going to control access to the porn. it’s one thing to gate pornhub/xhamster behind a ID required page, it’s another thing entirely to ban all porn everywhere. like, good luck mr government but you’re going to fail.
China heavily restricted video games for minors, and suddenly there was in increase of senior citizens playing videos games. What an odd coincidence… 🤔
spoiler
“Nice ID you got there granny, would be a shame if it suddenly went missing”
That would’ve been hilarious to see on a graph
The government has way too much influence over children already. Governments could do so much for children that would actually benefit them (better education, free lunch at school, better public libraries, ensure no kids are starving because of poor parents, no wars in foreign countries, whatever) but instead they use children to increase their control over people.
There’s no way for a government to do it that wouldn’t interfere with adults’ privacy.
If the government really wanted to, it could provide citizens with a portal that would do oauth (or something similar) to authorize the porn access.
They could do some crypto crap to avoid storing anything about the citizen, so, unless the system is subborned, it doesn’t store anything about users.
EDIT: the point is that this kind of system can be implemented in a privacy-preserving manner. I’m ambivalent about the idea, but it has been enacted by a democratically elected government, so they should go about it in the most responsible manner possible.
I disagree. I could literally put some porn in this very comment. So the fediverse needs a porn barrier, and every file hoster, we can’t allow TOR, there is porn, and illegal porn as well. So please show us your id before entering TOR, pls.
It is an authoritarian move. It is undermining privacy. It is censoring the web.
It is parents and maybe schools responsabilty to teach kids how to interact with media, that porn exists and is not an actual representation of sex, and to restrict their access to pornography or media in general.
Furthermore, on planet earth, there are no perfect democracies, and the democratic system of the USA is flawed to a degree where it is at least questionable if your leaders are elected democratically.
No. Absofuckinglutely not.
If the service is open source, I could actually see this working.
Yeah. It’s possible, but I’m guessing there isn’t a will or an understanding of available tools.
No. Open Source does not make violations of freedom somehow okay.
I thought it was obvious, but I guess I’m gonna go step-by-step. So, what’s needed to verify if you’re 18? Exactly one thing - a flag telling the other system yes/no! Very privacy friendly, porn site doesn’t know anything else about you. And obviously the auth system shouldn’t log that you verified for a porn site. That’s why it should be open source, so you can trust it.
The auth system knows you verified for something. The only way to actually preserve privacy is total anonymity to everyone.
Nope, it doesn’t. Did you read what I wrote or did you just have a knee-jerk reaction?
If it’s private and secure and isn’t linked to your identity, we will share it and it will be useless because everyone who shares the same login is the same over-18 person.
If it is in any way linked to your identity, the data is online and a target for breach which will expose said identity.
There is no realistic way to implement this which both actually does anything at all, AND does not require adding attack surface for breaches.Please reread what I wrote. And regarding attack surface, everything you use adds attack surface.
Your original post said the last can’t be implemented in a privacy preserving manner. It can.
It absolutely cannot.
There technically is, but it’s going to be a while until the government is ok with it. It’s called zero knowledge cryptography, where a user could prove they have an identification that is government issued, and that they are of age, without revealing any other information.
There’s a vanishingly small chance that the government wouldn’t fuck that up. Here is what would happen:
- bill gets signed
- no bid contract is assigned to a technology firm with a history of incompetence at everything other than lobbying for billions of dollars
- 3-letter agencies secretly inject back door stipulations into the system so that they can keep spying on everyone
- years late and at double the budget, it releases
- two months later, someone shows off the secret backdoor keys at DEFCON, along with instructions on how to dump the access database
- years of extortion material for spy agencies and organized crime around the world
- zero children protected: they learn an ancient technology called “torrenting”
- new calls for even more draconian control of information to save the children from sexy terrorists
Internet companies that are forced to take people’s personal information could do it at their cost
None of these politcians who push for all those “protect the children” laws actually gives a shit about child safety. The only thing that such laws mange to do is restrict freedom of speech and expression for everyone including children.
If you are a careless parent, then no law is going prevent your kids from watching porn.
None of those blocks actually work, it’s theater. I think it’s better to prepare your child for the world and how to handle it than to try and lock them in a bunker.
This isn’t a government issue. This is a bad parent issue. How about instead forcing routers to have easy ways to block adult content?
Technically pretty much every router does have built in porn blocking, the problem is is that it’s across the board.
With these routers it’s almost always All or nothing.
It’s also slightly complicated to set up in the first place, and the grand majority of people will not spend more than 10 seconds setting up any technology unless they absolutely have to.
Most people will not go through the process of finding out what the IP address of their router is, attempting to log into it with the default passwords available on the internet, navigating through the HTML 1.0 1993 interface to find the section that allows them to enable parental controls and then enabling them.
As a person who doesn’t have and chooses to not ever have children, it does my head in everytime a government tries to pass laws to stop children getting access to things, instead of making the parents, the people whose job it is to raise the children, take responsibility. I agree tho that router manufacturers should be forced to give easy access to parents to block unwanted sites.
They’re trying to ban vapes in Australia, not because of “health” reasons, but because kids are getting access to them, so instead of making adults accountable, they’re just trying to blanket ban, I’m sick of being punished because shitty parents can’t do their fucking job.
Raise your God damn kids yourself, stop relying on the government to do it for you.
