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Stop enabling his childish tactics by continuing to treat his platform as some kind of essential tool for communication. It simply isn’t.
This is the correct and only take. Stop using these shit services.
It was - and it’s not that the need has gone away or been fulfilled elsewhere, it’s just that it’s no longer viable.
I think paying close attention to this is important though. It’s a case study that just keeps giving - every couple weeks we get an important reminder that billionaires and billion dollar companies aren’t a good thing - their interests are not aligned with ours
I have never used Twitter or X even once in my life. It’s definitely not essential. I really don’t understand how people have convinced themselves that short format screamposting into the void is somehow the peak of communication. Just quit and let your followers know why.
If people actually cared about what you had to say, they’d go wherever you go to hear you say it. If not, were they really all that interested in the first place? or was it just convenient because they were already on Twitter and so were you?
Like it or not, Twitter is the only place where you can talk to a random developer at a huge company and get immediate confirmation that there is indeed a bug in their latest release and have a bunch of people crowdsource work arounds. There really is no alternative for professionals and experts to discuss the particulars of their fields and it really sucks that Musk is destroying that.
Yes, I get that, and it does suck. I blame that particular situation on brands/companies abandoning their own websites and canning their web developers in favor of hiring social media reps to keep a presence on Facebook/Twitter/etc instead of maintaining their own space.
I understand why they did it. It’s far cheaper and you end up reaching a larger audience, but I’ve always personally been a fan of just going to the website and looking at information there.
Oh, me neither. I hate the format, I used it long enough to reserve my name, then never logged in again
But it’s a centralized town square. How much news came out of there? And I mean actual news, not tabloid crap. It’s where science discoveries came out first, where earthquake responses organized, where Arab spring came together
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Doesn’t that go against net neutrality?
They repealed that anyways.
Not in Canada.
Did we ever have it in the first place? :>
Yes, actually. In Québec, Videotron offered a mobile data plan that included unlimited data exclusively for the Google Music service. The CRTC told them that this was illegal and it broke net neutrality laws.
I think I recall reading now that they had implemented it here. The whole “what happens there, happens here” dynamic made me cancel it out when they cancelled it down there I guess.
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Is Twitter an ISP?
It provides a service on the internet.
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I know.
I still think it’s unethical.
Yes.
Twitter is website that contains “links to” the other 5 websites. Those “links to other sites” are really links to Twitter scripts that do database queries before finally linking to the other sites for real. It is easy for elmo to insert delays in the process.
Say the line Bart!
Free speech absolutist
Elon CornHusk is nothing but an idiot and a MASSIVE bully. Nothing he says or does has any value.
slaves kowtowing to their fascist master
People eat Elon Musk’s garbage PR like it’s dinner.
Every damn day they post about some inane shit just so Elon can stay in the 24 hour news cycle.
I am not sure being a petty anti-competitive cunt here is inane exactly,if anything it highlights the issues with rich cunts owning access control.
How has no one just punched him in his stupid face yet?
Zuckerberg is trying to schedule face punches but he keeps making excuses.
He can get hit too. They’re the same.
I’ve had an idea for a song for a while that starts off: “have you ever noticed how no one has assassinated Elon Musk?”
What is Twitter?
Birdy don’t hurt me, don’t hurt me, no more
A Mastodon alternative apparently. Seems they haven’t implemented ActivityPub yet? I’ll stay away.
This is the most perfect response.
It’s an older platform that no longer exists. You’re thinking of X. Which is newer than Mastodon but still hasn’t implemented activitypub.
They’re going to have a hard time throttling the Fediverse.
Why? Because there are 100 or so moderately active instances with their own url? Or will you expect people who link to the fediverse to use new or obscure instances to indirectly link to things?
A bit of both, actually. With such a diverse amount of instances, covering every possible type of social network, the best they’re ever going to throttle the flagships. xD
Yeah, except they federate. They keep lists about who they federate, defederate, and know of in machine readable format
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Or even easier, just create a whitelist of friendly sites.
Soooooo, none? (Is that the joke?)
Why? It’s easy to get a list of federated servers, in JSON no less. In an afternoon I could build a tool to block them as they come, testing included
You’re still playing whack-a-mole.
Is it really whack a mole if within minutes of federating, a simple automated tool could add them to the list with no human involvement?
I wouldn’t say so, at that point it’s a trivial technical challenge
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Actually they could do the same thing to any Fediverse link as they are with these news sites’ links. They added a 5-second delay from when a twitter user clicks the external link from a twitter post, which is garbage overall, but not “throttling” websites. Yes I skimmed the article.
The headline seems to imply that Twitter controls the internet traffic to non-Twitter sites, which is misleading. Twitter is simply degrading the experience of their own site’s userbase, and nobody else. The rest of us can still visit the news sites that Leon Skum hates without Twitter.
Enshittyfication without earning more money? Interesting concept.
Let’s call it shittyfication.
at this point, with twitter being inaccessible to non logged in user, the ‘public square’ thing is totally done,. Get off twitter now. There are alternatives.
People demanding others to leave Twitter often seem to forget that not everyone has the same experience on that platform. If one wants to argue that I should leave to make some sort of a statement then fair enough, but to claim I should leave because it has now become something it wasn’t before doesn’t at all resonate with my personal experience. Besides the obvious UI changes I haven’t noticed anything else to be different. No one is forcing right wing/conspiracy propaganda down my throat there. My highly curated feed has the same content it always has and when I see something I’m not interested about I block it and it’s gone. Lemmy is way better alternative for Reddit than Mastodon is for Twitter.
Do what you want but just be sure to know shit is going down hill. It’s not effecting you now but doesn’t hurt to start looking for an alternative for when these wide sweeping changes do start effecting you.
The way I use Twitter, I follow ~40 specific people. Half of them created accounts other places when Elon first started fucking around but they don’t use any of them so if I want to keep following these people I’m stuck (and I do).
true. I know a lot of people are in similar situations, that’s what kept me on facebook for years. I’ll just say at this point, twitter could just die any day now, starting DMing people if you haven’t already and find another way to say in touch.
I don’t give a xit about Xitter.
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It’s a private company and they can do what they want… And people who use the service can complain about it getting worse.
I mean, it is a private company and they can do what they want. It’s a shitty and childish thing that Musk is choosing to do but it’s his $44B dumpster fire to fuel as he pleases.
Advocating for free speech rights for a private American company to be beholden to is stupid because it misunderstands everything about free speech laws work and how companies and content moderation work.
The people who think Elon brought free speech to Twitter tend to also be the people who think free speech starts and ends at your right to use slurs without social consequences.
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Because they built the platform. It’s not a public good (or a town square) — the company foots the bill so they get to decide what they do and don’t want people to use it for.
Because it’s “their” platform.
Wait, I was told net neutrality wasn’t needed.
This has nothing to do with net neutrality. Either you didn’t read the article, you didn’t understand what you read, or you don’t understand what net neutrality means.
To your credit, the use of “throttles” in the headline is (likely intentionally) deceptive. It’s the wrong term entirely. What Xitter did was make their own servers wait ~5 seconds before serving an http redirect.
Net Neutrality.
The principle that internet service providers should enable access to all content and applications regardless of source and without favoring, blocking, or throttling particular products or websites.
Sounds exactly like he is disregarding net neutrality to me.
Edit: To be clear, proponents of net neutrality believe that all corporations, not just ISPs should follow net neutrality. It’s because of this exact situation that people want shit like this put into law.
internet service providers
This is the key here, though. Twitter isn’t an ISP, they’re just making it more annoying when navigating from their site to elsewhere.
Net neutrality is the concept of an open, equal internet for everyone, regardless of device, application or platform used and content consumed. You can argue semantics all day but twitter slowing traffic or redirects to certain other websites is a violation of net neutrality. If not the letter of the definition then for sure the spirit of it.
They’re violating the spirit of net neutrality, but not the law. Since they aren’t an ISP, they can’t actually slow down or block you from accessing certain websites. The most they can do is slow down (or block) their own URL redirection service when its used to access to those domains. That’s within their right of free speech, even if it’s really fucking petty.
Just concede and learn from your mistake, because you’re missing the point. Cloudflare throttles connections to sites as part of their DDoS protection, but that isn’t even remotely related to net neutrality. On your site, you can do whatever you want, but ISPs preventing customers from accessing certain sites (or accessing them as they would “normal” sites) is what net neutrality is concerned with.
Which is hilarious. This will only hurt them.
People will just think Twitter is slow. Obviously Threads or NY Times will work normally when people are on those sites.
That’s because you don’t know what an “internet service provider” is. Twitter is not one.
I know what ISP means. Read my edit.
Twitter isn’t, and shouldn’t be under any obligation to respond to you proxying your requests through their url tracker with any service level.
Is it unethical? Yeah. Does it violate the letter of proposed NN laws? No. Does it violate the spirit of proposed NN laws? Also no. Those laws don’t cover what happens while a request is inside a parties network, only the traffic that travels in and out of it, of which Twitter was manipulating neither.
Well, I suppose they could deliver a few packets with a couple microseconds of latency when they delivered the HTTP response payload but they would have to literally modify their OS’s TCP stack to do so and the entirety of that actual throttling would be literally milliseconds of difference.
He’s like the asshole bakers who won’t make the cake for the gay wedding. Or he’ll do it eventually but whine about it the entire time and it’ll arrive late and burnt.
While still expecting to get paid.
I’ve got no problem baking anyone a cake, but you’re right it’ll be late and burnt. I can’t bake for shit.
But your assumption that I wouldn’t force anyone to bake that cake, you’re absolutely right.
I was talking about Elon, but I’m sorry about your lack of baking skills in case you wanted to be good at it or something.
It definitely draws direct parallels to net neutrality. It also shows the consolidation of web services into the hands of a few large corporations and the impact it has on the internet.
Im sure Twitter would argue that it’s not throttling, they don’t limit the speed in any way. But it does make it appear to end users as if the web site is loading slower.
It would be interesting if these sites could see a noticeable drop in traffic during the period Twitter was imposing delays on the redirect. If so, thats potential lost revenue and a basis for a lawsuit.
Twitter X Creator Dashboard pays creators for the distribution of CSAM.
If you use Twitter you are supporting the production of child sexual abuse materials.
