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that fucking comment 💀
Should be pinned ngl
It’s great because of how serious that post is then there’s a totally tonally different killer joke lol
We investigated ourselves and found nothing wrong. The Home Depot is the same way and allows rapes and retaliation. HR is a scam. All they deserve is violence.
Ah yes calls for violence, definitely a level headed and appropriate response.
You’ll lose to the GOP who actually do it because you sit there and do nothing.
man thats some crazy parkour you did there
Wow you’re literally the walking definition of radicalized, edgelord teenager or boomer with lead poisoning?
Don’t you have capital to storm again there potato chip bandit? Would love to send some more of you emotional LARPers to jail
The bootlicker speaks. Go back to golfing Trumper.
Ew, someone generalizing my politics. Go check out my post history.
Thanks for being part of the problem, nut job.
Edit: and just in case I need to spell it out, it’s ACAB, BLM, LGBTQIA and sweeping progressive reform for life without direct provocation of violence for life, like it or not.
Says every blue voter who wonders why women lost their right to choose.
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This is likely to quickly become a problem.
Dbrand, apparently
Dbrand will probably still make fun of linus and mock them because of this whole thing
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Every single one and more.
My Pillow?
We’ve got Smile Makers and Goop lined up, stay tuned for our new channel.
“fuck Linus” when Eli the computer guy made that video a few years ago I stopped watching his videos fuck Linus
What is this video you are talking about?
I can’t find the actual video, I assume Eli took it down. But if you recall a controversy with Linus Media group using DMCA takedowns about 4 years ago. Eli was calling Linus as a hypocrite and basically said fuck Linus.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/at955e/so_whats_up_with_eli_vs_ltt/
Sorry about the reddit link but that’s the best I can find.
thanks mate
The end result will likely be something like: “We have investigated ourselves and found that we are blameless of any wrongdoing”. Which is usually how these things end up.
Also, weird to not see them saying they’ll reach out to Madison to get the story from her, but I guess that might be one of those obvious things so not mentioned. I hope.
Other some youtuber should. Not LTT.
No a professional should, not a drama/attention farming YouTuber.
It being a third-party investigator means they aren’t “investigating themselves.”
It means they’re hiring someone. What will matter is which type of firm they hire:
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Firm with a proven track record of being unbiased in their processes and conclusions.
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Firm with a track record of finding no fault, only low level scapegoats
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Unknown firm, likely the same result as option 2.
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Third-party investigator is just a long handed way of saying, I’m still paying this person. Unless someone is being forced to be investigated by an outside source, get ready for some bullshit.
You pay the investigator whether they find fault against you or not. It’s not like they’re incentivized to find no wrongdoing at all just because they’re being paid. That would actively work against their credibility and long-term survival as a business
Yea man lemme live in the world you live in
Yeah I think they have dug themselves in deep shit and this will not go away until they make everything public and take action. And Linus as well as Terren Tong know this.
My point is that when you are the one ordering an investigation on yourself, usualyl the results are bound to be highly skewed towards what you want.
I’ve seen my government recently do this in a pretty big corruption case that would have made heads roll, as well as a couple other private entities I can think of who have hired “outside investigators” to investigate themselves only to go like what I said.
I’m obviously open to being proven wrong in this case, but the track record of such things isn’t very positive.
Sorry I wasn’t very clear, I just didn’t want to make my comment too big.
Aside from ordering a third party investigator, how else can a company prove to itself and everyone that they are serious about corrective action?
You’re essentially saying they are guilty of everything and no matter the findings which haven’t even begun, there is a conspiracy. I don’t see how that cynicism is productive.
My point is they shouldn’t be the ones doing the auditing (or at least ordering it), it should be an outside source doing it (in this case, I guess a government entity? Or something independent from LMG anyhow).
I’ll gladly admit to being a cynic, but that’s because I’ve worked in similar work environments, quit for very similar reasons and saw nothing being done too. So it’s a sore spot for me too. I can easily see my own bias in this situation.
In any case, we’ll have to wait and see how it pans out. Hopefully for the best is what matters in the end.
A third party isn’t them though. I get what you are saying because LMG writes the check, but realistically that’s the best anyone can do. Why would the government get involved? Specifically why would taxpayers pay to help rehabilitate a private company’s reputation?
Private independent auditors are in every industry and a standard practice.
Oh, and as long as we’re being cynical, let’s say you got your wish and a government entity does the investigation. Odds are they would just contract it out to these same people. Same results, only everyone gets to charge more for their services.
Cause it’s gonna be biased towards LMG.
Your last paragraph really sums up your perspective. Hi staunch capitalist.
Issue is they’re trying to investigate something from more than two years ago. They’re unlikely to find anything at all in the first place.
That’s also very true, absolutely not gonna disagree there.
In any case, all we can do is speculate, we will see the end result when it eventually comes out. As long as this brings positive change to LMG as a whole, that’ll be good.
I know it won’t matter overall, but I won’t see the change since I’ve unsubbed to everything LMG related myself (a long time coming, honestly) but I really do wish them all the best.
Nah it’ll be “negative” but generic
“We’ve found that we were set up in a way for people to have suboptimal experiences. We thought we had a good culture and a program to minimize harassment but we obviously let some of our employees down so we are hiring a new chief sensitivity officer to address these concerns and ensure that current and future employees feel welcome,. comfortable, and respected”
Or some shit. Basically a “yeah things got out of hand but since we’re being scrutinized, we’ll hire an adult to keep us in line, maybe”
It’s like, c’mon Linus ‘If my employees need a union, I have failed as a boss’ Sebastian, you have failed as a boss and your employees need a union.
I’m starting a new conspiracy that Linus knew all this was coming and that’s why he hired the new CEO. I have no facts but I said it on the internet so people will believe me.
Linus has a track record and proven history of doing/saying stupid shit. I think in this case, he recognizes that he’s just shit at his job and wants help. He most likely didn’t expect the Billet issue (no way he would have known Steve would have released a vid) and if he knew about Madison coming out, he’d have tried to prevent that sooner. Hiring a CEO won’t fix the Madison problem, as that event had already occurred.
I know you’re kinda joking, but I think there is some truth to that. I think he made the decision because he could not manage the whole thing alone, and the workplace environment Madison described could well be caused by general stress and mismanagement
I’ve been under huge amounts of stress and have been mismanaged, but it never turned me into a grabass bully.
systemic issues like this don’t just come from nowhere. likewise, they didn’t just appear, either. nor will they simply disappear now that they’ve been exposed or with some glib promise to “do better”.
workplace atmospheres like this take time to develop and… fester. From what Madison described, it’s been this what from, at least, the time she started, which means these behaviors, these patterns, were existing, likely for some time.
What Linus knew, when, etc. may important in a civil case, but it’s not to me— He failed at his job, and didn’t ask for help/hire help to fix the problems until faaaar too late. If it was this bad for Madison, it had to be at least as bad if not worse for others before her who simply did not (or could not) speak out, as well as other who are still there.
Systemic issues do not affect only one person, and they don’t appear out of nowhere. Expect more bad news and expect that any resolution/fixes will take time and major change. If you don’t see any major changes over a reasonable amount of time, don’t trust claims that they’re “working on it."
Managing a startup could be hard and stressful. But I couldn’t think Linus would go to this extend.
After this worker coming forward, I unsubscribed from all LMG channels.
He took the blame for it in the video because he was in charge when these things happened. I don’t think he’d do that if he whole point was to blame it on the new CEO.
no no, he took the blame because he had already made a post the day before in which he basically blamed everyone but himself and saw how badly it was received and was probably told by the new CEO to shut up and stop digging his own grave
He didn’t deflect to the new CEO in the original comment either:
To my team (and my CEO’s team, but realistically I was at the helm for all of these errors, so I need to own it), I stressed the importance of diligence in our work because there are so many eyes on us. We are going through some growing pains - we’ve been very public about them in the interest of transparency - and it’s clear we have some work to do on internal processes and communication. We have already been doing a lot of work internally to clean up our processes, but these things take time. Rome wasn’t built in a day, but that’s no excuse for sloppiness.
That’s a good conspiracy! I call dibs on the next one
Ah yes, the Tony Blair move
No, he called a new CEO because he knows he’s way over his head for years now. He even spoke about retiring some years ago, that’s how much signs he was showing. The fact he got a new CEO to handle the corpo bs is just a hint that he prefers to mess around with the hardware and just doesn’t want to handle more management shit.
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Oh my fucking lord, who cares? Linus has always been a manipulative shitlord and a bastard hyping and doing whatever clickbait will make him millions of dollars this week. Unsubscribe from his manipulative trash and stop talking about him and let his scammy, garbage little YouTube enterprise die as it should have years ago.
Unsubscribe from his manipulative trash and stop talking about him
Peoeple who do bad shit should be exposed before they are forgotten about.
I always thought his channel was really dummed down. I watched a video or two and then noped out of it. Wasn’t many if at all any tips from the so called tech tips site.
Oh and stating the obvious but he’s ‘sorry’ because he got caught.
It sounds like they are taking her harassment allegations seriously, but not the allegations of excessive levels of work expected, which IMO sounded far more serious. Like having someone grope you is no joke, but having to cut yourself just so you can request a day off is insane
The video they put out yesterday addressed the overwork problems. They were clear in their messaging that they are going to back off on the number of videos they make, or at least that’s what they said. Time will tell.
Too bad no one took it seriously at the time and repeatedly ignored her. It’s so unfortunate only now once its getting media coverage that they’re doing anything.
Welcome to human nature, lol.
I’m sorry but if someone felt like the only way they could take a day off is to cut themselves and then goes through with it, it sort of makes their claims needing more validation as that screams instability and not rational thinking.
There’s no doubt that there was a actual stress and probably really messed with her mentally. Maybe there were way too high of stakes and too much responsibility for her, but I failed to see why they wouldn’t go to their labor board, or quit if it was something that serious.
I think it’s insane we throw all of this on the employer, when clearly something wasn’t right with her if this is the case
Linus just needs to miss the Denslow cup and play ball, and he’ll be just fine.
Afaik this (third party) investigation was started by Terren Tong, the CEO, who was not in this position as of this year and Madison left a couple years ago. I think on this part we can at least give him the benefit of the doubt for now. Linus position might be a very different matter though.
I mean he also is a friend of Linus’ going a long while back but I agree he should be given a chance to straighten this out
Friend yes, but he was his boss, and in linus’s own words, he was the only one who could manage linus. Idk, I am cautiously positive due to the new CEO, but he does still answer to Linus so…
Agree, I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt. I personally don’t think I’ll resubscribe and be as much of a follower as I was, but who knows, depending on the end of this all I actually might
I have been kind of wondering about that investigation. If their HR is already 3rd party, continuing to use them would technically be a 3rd party investigation. Linus said their HR team is investigating, and they’re hiring someone outside to investigate, are they hiring two HR firms? I looked at LMG’s staff page, and they don’t have any HR listed there. Only a Talent & Culture manager and coordinator. Maybe that’s HR? Seems doubtful.
I just feel like they might be calling in the same 3rd party HR firm that they’ve been using, find no evidence, and keep on trucking.
We need a second third party HR team to investigate OUR third party HR team, and make sure they stand up to scrutiny!
I have been kind of wondering about that investigation. If their HR is already 3rd party, continuing to use them would technically be a 3rd party investigation.
They have internal HR now but didn’t back then. So bringing in someone new to investigate this sounds like a good step. If they really are serious about this, then it would be one of the only way to get a handle ton this. But of course it all depends on how serious LMG is treating this and how much freedom the investigators have. They could easily try to brush this under the rug when the attention drops. So we’ll see I guess.
They’re getting close to bedrock
And this coming from a from a person who mostly knows people named Urist!
There is most definitely a circus, but absolutely no fun to be found here.
“Now that people are watching and are angry, we care too, people”
“We’re sorry you found out that sexual misconduct has been a regular occurrence here. We will now take this seriously and ensure you never find out anything like this again. We believe that although sexual assault may happen in the workplace, it is unacceptable for it to be brought to the public’s attention.”
