They mainly blame it on the sun or they just see it as “natural warming” just the way ice ages have existed.
For example: here’s one of Germany’s leading right wing populists (and inbred nazi descendant wannabe noble) Beatrix von Storch saying: “Well maybe we need to tell the sun to shine less!” when being asked about how to tackle climate change.
So these people have a choice: they can accept their way of living is a reason for the current catastrophe. They need to stop enjoying cars, that schnitzel mit bratkartoffeln and start building those wind plants also to the south.
Or they can start blaming the refugees and the women with tattoos.
+ stop accepting bribe money from fossil fuels companies (or at least use their bribe money to build up wind & solar)
The sad reality is that they allowed dismantling functioning windmills (which RWE is definitely going to rebuild somewhere else *wink *wink) to expand the Garzweiler lignite pit (with lignite being literally the worst type of coal to burn)…
schnitzel mit bratkartoffeln
Is this a joke I’m not getting? How does a german dish contribute to climate change? Or do you just mean meat in general and that was a specific example
Those are just excuses they come up with on the spot because they feel correctly they are being put on the spot when asked about it. All human actions are about avoiding negative social consequences and that’s what they’re actually worried about.
That they think they need to justify themselves offers at least some hope, however.
I really think it’s ironic that we are risking the destruction of systems that have been stable for hundreds (or even thousands) of years just to save a system that isn’t even stable enough to handle an Elon Musk tweet
Does she have a proposal for how to do that?
Of course not… Those kinda humans never have proposals.
There are far top few meaningful differences between Republicans and Democrats, but stuff like this shows the base (not the leaders) of one party is at least amenable to reality, and the other largely isn’t.
Aren’t there enough political “humor” communities?
Climate Change isn’t political, it’s a simple fact.
Given that the Republicans have adopted the stance that it’s not real and/or not our fault, I think it still counts as political. Even if it shouldn’t be.
Oh, so I guess video games are political since “viDeO gAmES cAuSE viOLenCE”. Everything is political, therefore all posts should go to the political community? 🤔
You and I both know that. I’m just asking, aren’t there better suited communities? Does everything need to be doom and gloom on a reasonably light-hearted memes community? It isn’t a meme.
I don’t see why the meme is doom and gloom.
I’m just asking, aren’t there better suited communities?
And we’re just answering - nope, this one is perfectly well suited - you can always block OP if you really can’t stand seeing this post on your timeline
It isn’t a meme.
It objectively is - it’s a slightly different take on the “The What” meme
Whether you think the meme is funny is a different matter - but I don’t see how you could argue it’s “not a meme”.
why is the “climate change doesn’t exist” bar for the second question so much smaller than the “no” bar for the first question? am I an idiot or does that just not make any sense?
Death to America
They consider themselves temporarily embarrassed millionaires. So when corporate profits are threatened, they get defensive to the point of changing their beliefs on the spot.
They aren’t just lying to us. They’re lying to themselves.
it exists but… isn’t happening? idk
nore worried about the fact that of those that answered that global warming isn’t occurring, only 50% still think that it doesn’t exist in a different question. did the other 50% just suddenly reconsider?
it looks like they got pooled between “doesn’t exist” and “no” to “are oil and gas companies responsible?”. “global warming doesn’t exist and if it does it isn’t their (our) fault”
The other 50% believe in global cooling.
And they’ll be correct once the currents in the Atlantic collapse in the 30’s.
AMOC run amok.
I recently discovered !climatememes@lemmy.world which you all might like.
Proper format is !climatememes@lemmy.world I think
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May your next poop be wonderful! Blessings upon thy stool.
GOP’s good at brainwashing stupid and / or dysfunctional people. It’s also good at attracting one issue voters who only care about guns, abortion, immigration, low taxes, etc.
Many people (if not most) are not that smart or caring. If you give them the one thing they want, they’ll support you. Many people (if not most) are also bigots, and hate one group or another and you won’t get them to change their minds by any means.
Republicans know this (they have psychological and media experts on their team who are smart, unlike their voting base) and use their knowledge to manipulate people with lies, and it works, just due to how human nature is.
Democrats also know this, which is why they don’t seriously fight Republicans by compromising on some of their principles or also pandering just enough to get elected in purple / weak red areas. It’s honestly just a power sharing agreement to keep things split 50 / 50 so the corpo donors can get what they want done while the average person gets distracted by the very public binary fight these 2 “parties” are always engaging in.
The only real answer is ranked choice voting and the formation of 2 additional parties. One that’s fiscally and environmentally liberal and socially conservative, and another that’s socially liberal, but fiscally liberal, and hopefully environmentally at least moderate.
People forget that most places on the internet are left-leaning or flat out liberal bubbles. Especially FOSS communities like Lemmy / Kbin. If you go out and engage people in real life, it’s easy to quickly realize that people will keep voting in climate denying, polluting jackasses so they can keep their guns, or make sure abortion’s illegal, etc.
Our best hope is young GOP voters who believe in climate change and want to do something about it, because they’re growing up in this world, and will have to live in it too. Hopefully that Hawaii fire made even the rich realize that shit like that could happen to them during their vacation, and it’ll make them give a shit. Anyhow, our best bet is to try to make deals with the next generation of Republicans, and also introduce ranked choice voting which can create parties and coalitions built around compromise and getting things done as opposed to ideological purity tests, which keep losing us the house and / or senate, even if we win the presidency.
Literally anything done to any fossil fuel lobbyist or executive is an act of collective self-defense.
You heard it, folks! I’m inviting them to a $10K per head campaign dinner where I will sternly suggest they explore the possibility of researching a serious scaling back (5 bps!) of coal mining.
For our self-defense
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Only if it actually contributes to stopping climate change.
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some people say the party divide in the US is based on gender. which may be true to some degree but really I think the true divide is intelligence
republicans have literally just become the stupid party
(source: my ass)
Probably could have added :
Source: Fox News
It’s neither. It is wilful ignorance. All those studies sorting political affiliations by education, IQ and whatnot never show a difference that is nearly as large as these kind of comments suggest. There are small trends, but not more.
The average IQ of republicans isn’t much lower. They just choose to squander their potential. Never underestimate the potential often human beings to lie to themselves. It is one of our most honed skills.
It’s also probably a factor, that when you pretend global warming isn’t man made, that you can’t do anything against it so you don’t have to change your way of life
Exactly, I think some people use it almost as a self-defense mechanism to avoid feeling in any way responsible.
This isn’t just stupid. Anyone over 20 remembers that it wasn’t this hot for this long. This requires that they tell themselves that the heat is for some natural reason.
Or they pretend that that one really hot day that made the newspaper in 1972 is perfectly representative for the other 364 days, because it’s always warm in summer.
True, but we need to get them to acknowledge that okay, it was 102° F one day in 1972. Yesterday and today were the first days in 2 weeks or more where the high was less than 100° F where I live.
It was not this hot for weeks in 1972.
hell, you don’t even have to go back to 1972. I remember in my area growing up (90’s), breaking 100 was something that would maybe happen one or two days out of a whole summer, and it was a whole thing - treated in the same way you might treat a really bad storm in winter.
This summer half of every week has been above 100 since July - our “breaks” from the heat are like mid-90’s.
I wonder how bad it’s going to have to get before everyone who isn’t literally mentally ill will have to admit that this isn’t normal
I live in Canada and it feels like half the country has been on fire this summer. The Premier of my province doesn’t even think climate change is real and is currently stripping away environmental protections from our best land so his buddies can build subdivisions and destroy it
It isn’t that way everywhere though. My part of southeast Ohio has consistently been below average. I know other places have to be extra, extra hot to reach the increased global temperatures, but millions and millions of Americans simply are not extperiencing any kind of increased heat.
The average person, even in the southern US where it’s warmer, seems to understand that it doesn’t snow as much as it used to. I’ve heard numerous people mention it over the years. It’s when you try to get them to consider why that might be the case that their brains start turning to mush.
It’s when you try to get them to consider why that might be the case that their brains start turning to mush
It’s not their brains turning to mush, it’s their rational thoughts bumping right up against decades of propaganda by oil companies, the right wing media, and conservative politicians that have ingrained the idea in them that believing in climate change makes you part of the radical left.
And ultimately it’s easy to get people to (especially conservatives, who - by definition - are resistant to change) not believe in climate change, because it’s scary as fuck, and because solving it will involve huge overarching societal changes. Much easier to pretend it doesn’t exist. That’s not just climate change, that’s just how the human brain likes to deal with unpleasant facts - hell, that’s how most people cope with the concept of their own mortality
We grew up in the south, right on the edge of the Midwest though. I remember one time my wife’s grandpa talking about how when he was a kid they all had ice skates because the ponds would freeze in the winter and the kids would skate. I was like that’s cool but the ponds don’t really freeze that solid in the winter.
Much later I had a moment of realization.
Or uneducated. Or actively denying reality. Some combination of the three.
You’re all responsible. Filthy westerners
What bothers me the most about it is that the Republican answers of “No, climate change doesn’t exist” and “Companies don’t cause it because climate change doesn’t exist” should be the same set.
The ones agreeing and ambivalent make perfect sense. Basically no one who believes in climate change thinks the companies are totally blameless. Great.
But the blue bar should be eating from the grey bar, not the black.
Assuming that all the same people answered both questions.
And when you watched the clown beat the defenseless mime to death you saw it laugh. Then, the clown called the mimes mom’s dirty names, waved a hitler flag and shot the mime. Afterwards calling him a removed and gesturing for his widow to call him later. He then slapped you in the face with a rubber circus dink, called you Ugly Stan and you called him by his first name asking for another.
After all of that, what do you think caused the clown to do such a terrible thing?
GoOp: “I don’t think it was the clown.”
GoOp: “I don’t think it was the clown.”
GoOp: “Akshully, clowns don’t exist, also you just hate clowns!”
Holy shit I am fucking howling at this.
7am and my day is made. Thank you. Legit see BoBo trying to flex that in my head.
A sizable portion of the population would convince themselves that the sky is green, if that was their party’s official position.
And a sizable portion of politicians, of a certain moral character, would take the official position that the sky is green if someone paid them enough.
On an unrelated note, I wonder which party is heavily sponsored by the oil and gas industry?
Not that the GOP’s positions on climate change aren’t far more deranged, of course, just noting that the Dems are also heavily influenced by lobbying.
The answer, like in most countries, is both of the largest parties.
Can’t have the other party get in and get rid of your subsidies, bad for business, ya know?
