cross-posted from: https://nom.mom/post/121481
OpenAI could be fined up to $150,000 for each piece of infringing content.https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/08/report-potential-nyt-lawsuit-could-force-openai-to-wipe-chatgpt-and-start-over/#comments
Surprising that there are so many copyright bootlickers on lemmy
You’re either a copyright bootlicker or an AI bootlicker in this thread, there’s no middle ground.
My bad, I’ll just let big corporations train on every piece of my personal creative output as “Fair Use” so they can sell it for profit. That’ll show ‘em!
Satire aside, you don’t seem to understand what copyright is or are confusing it with laissez-faire capitalism. You can’t bootlick rights.
Brb, going to go bootlick the European Convention on Human Rights.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The result, experts speculate, could be devastating to OpenAI, including the destruction of ChatGPT’s dataset and fines up to $150,000 per infringing piece of content.
If the Times were to follow through and sue ChatGPT-maker OpenAI, NPR suggested that the lawsuit could become “the most high-profile” legal battle yet over copyright protection since ChatGPT’s explosively popular launch.
This speculation comes a month after Sarah Silverman joined other popular authors suing OpenAI over similar concerns, seeking to protect the copyright of their books.
As of this month, the Times’ TOS prohibits any use of its content for “the development of any software program, including, but not limited to, training a machine learning or artificial intelligence (AI) system.”
In the memo, the Times’ chief product officer, Alex Hardiman, and deputy managing editor Sam Dolnick said a top “fear” for the company was “protecting our rights” against generative AI tools.
the memo asked, echoing a question being raised in newsrooms that are beginning to weigh the benefits and risks of generative AI.
I’m a bot and I’m open source!
Ironic…
Isn’t that… weird? Like someone would have reinvented the wheel (literally), to end up being much better than the “original” wheel… and pissing off mechanics worldwide because that’d make em lose their jobs because of some random, nonsensical reason. Idk, its like folks forgot that the AI can be EASILY manipulated. But nooooooooo “whining is easier, lads! Let’s whine instead of making things better!”… heh.
Humanity is so fucked.Too many people have copies of the full database at this point for such a thing to mean much. And there’s too many other versions that have been produced since to matter either.
i guess that bot’s sweatin’ tonight… maybe the stress is what’s causing the errors…
If ChatGPT gets erased and rescanned with new stuff, I can see different “flavors” popping up to replace it. For example: Conservative GPT, no content related to trans, evolution, or climate change. Vetted Wikipedia entries only.
That probably already exists, why would one of the many LLM systems out there having to re-train impact anything but that one program?
One of my relatives tried the Bing chat thing when it came out. He was mad that it couldn’t come up with anything good Trump had done.
can’t they just move to a country where copyright doesn’t exist?
They could, but presumably they want to make business and sell their products in countries that do have those copyright protections or to other companies from there.
sounds like some bullshit to me
Make another “russian bot” perhaps. /s Honestly, russia is good for getting away with piriting things, Because Corruption.
Could this headline possibly have any more weasel word qualifiers? Lots of things “could” happen.
Also, “start over” is a bit dramatic. I think you mean hit up-enter to rerun the training.
“Hit up-enter” is such a hilarious way of describing the unbelievably vast cost of retraining GPT-4
unbelievably vast cost
A quick search indicates training ChatGPT-4 cost around $100M - really not that much for a company valued at $29B.
Modern media is full of it so they can’t be sued for anything. And also because there’s probably little fact in at least a few parts of the article so they’re posting it as “speculative”
When OpenAI commits copyright infringement no one bats an eye, but when I do it everyone downvotes me
Society moment.
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Classic joke, something like: if you owe the bank $100, it’s your problem; if you owe them a million, it’s their problem.
Yeah I don’t get it. ChatGPT is not “Fair use” and there is no credit given to anyone, it’s a solid case against them
It’s wishful thinking on your part. Every AI model in existence, from computer vision to the photo adjustments in your phone camera was trained this way.
The only reason there’s a stink now is that certain lobbies suddenly lose their job as opposed to blue collar workers.
But there’s more than a decade of precedent now to fall back on and not one legal case to show that it’s not fair use.
So would you kindly cite the case decisions that back up your assertion? Or are you just hallucinating like an LLM because you want a certain outcome to be true? Geez, I wonder where the technology learned that.
I just wonder if they’ll get out of it because LLMs do reword the information instead of spitting it back out verbatim. It’s the same reason I think the image generators are safe from copyright law - it’s just different enough that they could plausibly convince a judge with a fair use argument.
What bothers me even more is all the text they had to scrape to create ChatGPT… That seems like a novel problem for the legal system because you know there’s no way they paid for all of it.
LLMs do no such thing. They abstract information which is a non copyrightable process. Copyright is specific to specific presentation, explicitly non converting style, concepts or facts.
I think for it to be fair use under American law they would need to give full credit, which they obviously don’t.
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I guess you’ve never written a report before or you’d understand what they’re saying.
Go ahead, knock yourself out: https://copyright.psu.edu/copyright-basics/fair-use/
I’m not 100% sure where I stand but, for arguments sake; Are you sure about that? it sure is transformative!
Start over with what? The internet is now polluted with AI gibberish.
AI training AI can’t end well.
Oh God, I better not learn anything from a book or I’m fucked.
Fuck man I’ve watched sooooo many movies… the MPAA is gonna be on my ass…
LAME. Butthurt people is all i see. People like that are what cause huge roadblocks in advancing humans. I wish someone made a law that made it impossible to force someone to stop doing something simply because they are using ai to train and it hurts their pockets. Let AI learn what we’ve created. The possibilities are endless. So many good things can come from it but all everyone wants to do is look at the negatives. Of which a massive majority are easily solvable.
One tiny example is think of what ai can do in a few years time with training on medicine alone. For all we know the ai can figure out cancer for us. But with everyone clamping down on this shit we’ll never know.
Leave it to humans to ruin great things. If aliens ever visit this planet I’m ratting out every last human against technology 🤣
OpenAI has a valuation of $29B. They could easily afford to license the entirety of the NTY content but did not do so.
Kill the earth, and start over.
I’ll take things that won’t happen for $200
If ChatGPT is removed, it will really have a big impact on users getting used to its convenience, when there are currently too many ChatGPT Online causing it to explode.
