I could see Mozilla being forced to comply and then letting it be known that if you delete a certain part of the firefox source and recompile, it goes away.
I don’t think they can be forced to comply. Even if they have a local office they can just leave and tell Macron to fuck off. The government will probably force ISPs to block Mozilla’s website (at DNS level because politicians/idiots) and nothing will actually change.
The real shit would be if the EU wanted this…
Why would they risk getting sued over helping the 0.0001% of their user base that’ll actually do this?
I wonder if it’d be more productive for them to just retreat from France. Show a different download page to French users that says it’s no longer available, but don’t geoblock the installer URLs.
An ‘unrelated third party’ would do it
How many times did internet petitions actually changed something
A lot, actually
In Russia change org was one of very few channels to bring change into politics.
For some reason our politicians actually listened to those. So it was a very useful tool.
Unfortunately, I don’t have much idea how effective it is since Feb of 2022. Imagine our gov as an armodillo. It has a sturdy shell, so it is very hard to get good changes through it’s head. Now that armodillo closed up in a ball, it lives in it’s own bubble, its being fed by it’s own lies. Nothing good can come out of that head. And it doesn’t.
Same thought train like people claiming a protest march does nothing. You couldn’t be more wrong. Making your opinion heard and showcasing how many people are with you has impact.
In fact, I’ll turn your logic upside down: if your protest didn’t get the result you wanted, you just didn’t mobilize enough people (or not enough people cared for your cause)
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Bollocks. For example in Germany, online petitions on a government run website that reach a certain threshold of people signing are automatically discussed in parliament.
And in the Firefox case here, no idea what they are planning but they could for example hand over the printed out signatures or dump them in the politicians post box or whatever. Have some fantasy.
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No, I’m just genuinely interested, that’s it. No negativity.
In this case they can create an indication of popular support that opposition politicians may be motivated to use.
Petitions have weight providing they’re coming from the right places. There’s a difference between the random internet petitions that random users make, and petitions coming from bodies such as unions or regulatory bodies.
This is a petition being put forward from a well known organisation, so I would gather it actually has some weight.
If i was a hacker, i would penetrate their system ( shouldn’t be that hard as most if their operating system are old, and supervised by even older persons and methods), deface their website to inform the population, and ask to take back their ideas as a ransom for not divulging some weird shit they must have on their computers.
Hacking for sure isn’t hard at all. I regularly hack into everything and it’s true that everyone is so old that they are napping at their desk so I just inject my new binary data (which goes right past their really old binary data because it’s so old) and get all the data I need which I send to as many young people as I can
Does a r/master hacker community exist on Lemmy? Because your comment sounds like it fits there.
What you are describing is a serious crime, and for good reasons. It might be true that finding a way to do this is possible, but if exploited, that action could have very serious consequences.
Implying any revolution is legal or needs to be
Sometimes you got to do what you got to do. Time ago people fought and die for our rights and our liberty. It’s even in our national motto. Now seeing all of these stripped little by little, seeing some far right ideologies become more and more common when other people also fought and die for not so long ago, is simply disgusting and unbearable. If what i talk about is a crime, it’s still a lesser crime than what they are doing, they’re the real criminals. And they shouldn’t forget what even ancient people did when they got sick of the governing peoples’ shit. They cut their heads off. That was a serious crime, but if it wasn’t done, the current republic (and surely also myself) won’t be here today.
Don’t let your dreams be dreams
Unfortunately i think i’m too old for this. All i can do is try to spread the word to younger people, try to make them change how they think. But it’s harder now that they have tools to mass influence them. They are efficient and they use them on people younger and younger, and most of our society is built around it. I’m still glad to still have dreams and hope that someday, some people will make it a reality.
What happened to parental responsibility?
The Internet’s been ubiquitous for more than two decades now, and the people writing laws to regulate it in most democracies still lack even a high-level understanding about how it and the software they use to access it works. They also seem to go out of their way to avoid working with anyone who actually does know how to implement safety measures in less dangerous or exploitable ways. It’s inexcusable.
They ignore experts/scientists because they’re a liability when all you care about is personal financial gain and fulfilling the role your oligarch/corporate handlers bankrolled you to fulfil.
I hate that these articles are always couched in excusatory language like, “While motivated by a legitimate concern…”
These people are not your friends, they’re your enemies. Don’t accept their frame in the argument.
Come on, do your thing french people! We know you want to!
This is too technical to incite the mass. Chances rely on parliament opposition and anti-constitutionality.
I don’t trust mozilla.
Then you are out of luck, don’t think there is anyone left to trust.
That’s true.
I mean, EU to a degree also, but as far as tech companies making browsers go, I don’t know who else can be trusted.
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My next alias will be Orwell… :)
Alright, maybe you guys starting a sixth republic is not that bad of an idea.
This government is getting dumber every day. Goddammit.
Can’t wait for the next government to get even dumber.
No country is fighting as hard against poverty as they are against piracy.
That’s not the case on South America, our countries may not be the best, sometimes governments try to improve a few things and fail, but the good thing is, no one cares about piracy, so at least here governments are not even fighting piracy it seems
What is with everyone’s obsession, government or company, to moderate the web. It’s seriously depressing and exhausting.
Authoritarian tendencies since the web is a bit too close to providing its users with freedom of speech.
facisim is on the rise again, that’s all.
for real. it’s been extremely disconcerting watching both companies and nations erode and distort privacy norms so blatantly in the past few years. i’ve never really been a paranoid person, but it’s starting to feel like a coordinated effort to cut the metaphorical brakes so that when we approach the next digital privacy rights crossroad, we are completely unable to exert any control over the direction that society moves.
it used to be that i would hear about an attack on digital privacy once every year. now it seems to happen almost daily. it’s exhausting and worrying all at once.
I think the exhaustion is kind of the point. They want to desensitize us so that they can implement these changes with little pushback.
Ironically, the French figured out a cure for that around 240 years ago.
I feel like France in general has more of a history of its people being more politically active compared to other countries.
When the majority of your population also lives in the same metro area as your seat of government, it really helps.
Sucks that it’s so effective (in my eyes, at least). Sometimes I just have to make assumptions against the parties that stand to gain money because there’s so much disinformation.
Haven’t given up by any means, and I’m not only supporting my own interests - but dang. Find a hobby, Lindsey Grahams of the world.
Less democracy is what the ruling class wants; it gives them more control over their customers.
oh i’m sure it is, and that’s what i think is so insidious about it. the tactics we’re seeing emerge appear to be carefully engineered so as to disproportionately exhaust those who care the most about preserving privacy so we just pack up and leave the platforms for them to ravage.
the average person who hears about proposed “web integrity” protections is going to think nothing of it and do nothing about it, then paint you as a conspiracy theorist for being as concerned as you are. i remember preaching to people about SOPA years ago, and was met with a resounding “meh”. they want the watchdogs specifically to leave their platforms, so that there is no one left to sound the alarms for everyone else.
Or maybe the average person is right by not overreacting?
it used to be that i would hear about an attack on digital privacy once every year. now it seems to happen almost daily.
It could be that you’ve become more informed lately.
I feel like the situation has been deteriorating at a relatively steady pace for at least a decade, if not two.
Don’t be exhausted. We can fight back
But how?
Companies it’s because they want to be the ones serving you all the information and data and all the privileges that comes with like add profits, etc.
Governments because a huge global tool for information sharing, economics, etc grew under their noses for the last three decades and they ignored it until it was almost out of their control and are now panicking to try and grasp some back.
Senile boomers try to do impossible things in tech because stupid. Censorship is stupid, Google and French goverment hand in hand trying to destroy the free and open internet.
If browsers are forced to build this system to comply with French laws, it’s only a small step for other governments to leverage this new infrastructure and mandate bans on any website they don’t like.
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this is like preventing your car from driving you to the bank so you cant rob it
This might actually happen someday. Imagine: self-driving cars are the norm, car ownership is a thing of the past, you just hail an automatic cab and pay per ride.
In such a scheme the car company will probably know who you are, and the government could supply a blocklist of convicted criminals to prevent them from using their services.
What kind of an idiot is going to rob a bank and hail a taxi cab for the getaway?
I think the point was that they wouldn’t be able to go for non-robbing purposes, like opening an account for their daughter or whatever.
I mean, they can walk or take public transportation. I suspect that public transportation would run taxi companies out of business anyway if you have to pay for every ride.
That is utter stupidity.
What that proposes is to hold someone, anyone, guilty by default, with no proof.
